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    New/Old Summaron-M 28/5.6

    Leica Summaron-M 28 mm f/5.6 // M-Lenses // Leica M // Photography - Leica Camera AG

    Not sure why they advertise as "ideal" for street photography being "inconscpicuos". The chrome on a black body sticks out so obviously!

    Costs US $2495.

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    Re: New/Old Summaron-M 28/5.6

    Price suggests it's for boutique and collector sales, though you'd think a collector would want the original.

    I've read a lot about Leica lenses but had never heard of 28 Summaron as a 'classic.' I've never seen it praised in terms like those in the prospectus.

    I thought the 'classic' 28mm was Winogrand et al's Canon f2.8, which was more-or-less contemporary with the Summaron?


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    Re: New/Old Summaron-M 28/5.6

    It also says you can use 'hyperfocal focusing so you can shoot from the hip at a speed no AF can match.' Most of my cameras with AF can probably not focus just as fast.

    Still, looks like nice travel lens, but a black one would be slightly better for that too.

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    Re: New/Old Summaron-M 28/5.6

    Quote Originally Posted by JeRuFo View Post
    It also says you can use 'hyperfocal focusing so you can shoot from the hip at a speed no AF can match.' Most of my cameras with AF can probably not focus just as fast.
    Get an RX1R II, put it in AF-C (continuous focus) mode and snap away. The tilt LCD allows for "hip" shooting, to compose in real time.

    Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr

    The Hague, Yesterday, RX1R II.

    Someone at Leica should purchase one of these cameras to find out what is the cutting edge tech and try to emulate it quickly (not 15 years from now).
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    Re: New/Old Summaron-M 28/5.6

    The unique thing about this Summaron is that it's a symmetrical wide angle that works with digital sensors.

    That optical construction provides a very distinctive look on film, but most symmetrical wide angles (Biogon, Jupiter-12, Super-Angulon) are blurry and smeary on digital.

    I expect that this lens will be distortion-free, and it should flare very predictably and organically. In other words, it should have a different look from the current ASPH 28/2.8. That one is ultra-sharp, but it has slightly wavy distortion (barrel and pincushion at different image heights), and its complex construction will flare quite differently.

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    Re: New/Old Summaron-M 28/5.6

    Well, yes, but not a surprising accomplishment? Other 28s (for example my 2.8 Hexanon) also firm up nicely in the corners of digital sensors if you stop them down to f5.6.

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    Re: New/Old Summaron-M 28/5.6

    Quote Originally Posted by Bernard View Post
    The unique thing about this Summaron is that it's a symmetrical wide angle that works with digital sensors.

    That optical construction provides a very distinctive look on film, but most symmetrical wide angles (Biogon, Jupiter-12, Super-Angulon) are blurry and smeary on digital.
    Leitz Hektor (precursor to the old Summaron) from the 1930s, wide open at f/6.3 on Sony A7s.

    Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr

    Leitz Hektor 2.8cm f/6.3, Sony A7s, The Hague

    I have the W-Nikkor 2.5cm f/4 from the 1950s and that does even better on digital.

    So, I am afraid that there is nothing unique about the 2.8cm Summaron.

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    Re: New/Old Summaron-M 28/5.6

    I must say I'm rather pleased with the new 28 Summaron. It's very sharp, has a nice amount of contrast (which holds up well into the light) with nicely behaved flare characteristics.

    Portra 400




    T-max 400




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    Re: New/Old Summaron-M 28/5.6

    Some XP2 and the new 28 Summaron-M.

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    Re: New/Old Summaron-M 28/5.6

    Quote Originally Posted by wattsy View Post
    Some XP2 and the new 28 Summaron-M.

    Beautiful shot, Ian.
    Excellent !

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    Re: New/Old Summaron-M 28/5.6

    Image taken with my just arrived, NEW 28mm Summaron (special order lens - possibly a limited edition).

    Now this Classic design is renowned for it's smooth transition of the focus plane (Bokeh is what people would better relate to today).

    While being extremely sharp with wonderful tones, it is just a bit soft in the corners.
    Leica appears to have used exactly the same optical configuration as the original 1958 design.
    As a result softness from that design is still there, however the results have "character" that people love….the classic Leica look!!

    So shooting architecture is not it's thing, but I did it anyway.
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    Re: New/Old Summaron-M 28/5.6

    Another image taken yesterday with the 28 5.6 Summaron:

    Something of note, image is straight out of camera - jPeg conversion only, notice the lack of distortion.....so much for a classic older design, obviously it was very well designed optically in 1958 when introduced.

    How many wide angle lenses designed today would give that level of distortion control
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    Re: New/Old Summaron-M 28/5.6

    Not my first choice lens for a portrait but you have to use what is on the camera. 28 Summaron-M and Portra 400.

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    Re: New/Old Summaron-M 28/5.6

    Quote Originally Posted by Seascape View Post
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    How many wide angle lenses designed today would give that level of distortion control
    Not just wide angle lenses; in the film days, there really wasn't that much to do about distortion after exposure.

    What do today's lenses, the ones that come with distortion control, offer that yesterday's lenses didn't?
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    Re: New/Old Summaron-M 28/5.6

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Campbell View Post
    What do today's lenses, the ones that come with distortion control, offer that yesterday's lenses didn't?
    A much larger filter size?
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    Re: New/Old Summaron-M 28/5.6

    Pewsey Downs. Portra 400.

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    Re: New/Old Summaron-M 28/5.6

    Hampshire/Dorset Border. Early Purple Orchid. Portra 400.

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    Re: New/Old Summaron-M 28/5.6

    Tributary of the River Stort Navigation near Harlow. Portra 400.

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    Re: New/Old Summaron-M 28/5.6

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Get an RX1R II, put it in AF-C (continuous focus) mode and snap away. The tilt LCD allows for "hip" shooting, to compose in real time.

    Untitled by Vivek Iyer, on Flickr

    The Hague, Yesterday, RX1R II.

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    Re: New/Old Summaron-M 28/5.6

    I have not seen any evidence to support that though I do respect your opinion.

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    They did one better, imho: the Q

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    Re: New/Old Summaron-M 28/5.6

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I have not seen any evidence to support that though I do respect your opinion.
    Likewise. If interested, you might look at Sean Reid's or Ming Thein's review of the Q, assuming reviews qualify as evidence.

    Sorry, back to topic.

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    Re: New/Old Summaron-M 28/5.6

    I'm impressed by the lack of distortion, but outdoors it seems to offer a pronounced cyan cast. Would that be attributable to the lens, or to incorrect WB, or perhaps to PP?

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    Re: New/Old Summaron-M 28/5.6

    I guess it is due to the sharp light fall off/vignetting. It is the lens.

    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonkirk View Post
    I'm impressed by the lack of distortion, but outdoors it seems to offer a pronounced cyan cast. Would that be attributable to the lens, or to incorrect WB, or perhaps to PP?

    Kirk

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    Re: New/Old Summaron-M 28/5.6

    Some more photos. Portra 400 and T-max 400.












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