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    7 Artisans 50/1.1

    It is not often one finds a new lens on Amazon!
    https://www.amazon.de/7artisans-50mm...ords=7Artisans

    Anyone tried it?

    Looks intriguing.

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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    and....

    https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5101327926


    http://www.wxhaowen.com/article_1a0f...40f76da7.shtml








    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    It is not often one finds a new lens on Amazon!
    https://www.amazon.de/7artisans-50mm...ords=7Artisans

    Anyone tried it?

    Looks intriguing.
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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    I received my lens 2 days ago. I wanted to describe the actual lens for the benefit of the readers...
    The lens came by DHL in abut a week after ordering through Amazon US. There was no duty collected. The lens is 6 bit coded as the F1.0 Noctilux. No lens hood was included. Fit and finish look excellent. There are included instructions to calibrate the lens and the rangefinder to your camera. (You loosen screws, rotate the focusing helix, tighten the screws.) This is required only for use on M cameras. Lens appears to be coated. The rotational distance to go from Infinity to .7 meters is less than 90 degrees. I would have preferred more for a lens with very thin DOF. have not shot the lens yet, so no comments on image quality.
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    Thank yourl Frank for your prelimary observations. I very much look forward to your thoughts regarding optical performance and various parameters associated with optical properties as compared to other 50mm lenses you have on hand....especially wide open perfoemance.

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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    I echo what Dave said and look forward to your test images, Frank. I also would like to see how it behaves stopped down since they claimed it is a Sonnar design.
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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I echo what Dave said and look forward to your test images, Frank. I also would like to see how it behaves stopped down since they claimed it is a Sonnar design.
    Why? What is the point of having an f/1.1 lens and using it at f/11?

    I have never understood this.
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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    You probably do not understand how a Sonnar behaves then. You can have buttery smooth boket even when you stop down by a few. I am not talking about f11 but f/4-5.6 range.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Campbell View Post
    Why? What is the point of having an f/1.1 lens and using it at f/11?

    I have never understood this.

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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    You probably do not understand how a Sonnar behaves then. You can have buttery smooth bokeh even when you stop down by a few. I am not talking about f11 but f/4-5.6 range.
    I'm sure you're correct, Vivek. If I was presented with two identical images in which all the parameters were identical save for the type of lens used, I might be able to see a difference, but I couldn't tell which types of lenses had been used.

    But, if I wanted to get the bokeh from a Sonnar lens at f/5.6, why not get a f/2 lens (I'm assuming that such a lens is available). Is there a difference between an f/1.1 and f/2 when equally stopped down?

    To me, getting an f/1.1 lens and using it at f/5.6 seems similar to buying a car to do local shopping — but getting a Ferrari.

    What am I missing?
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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    Robert, If f/1.1 needed, then the faster lens comes in handy. If the whole face and not just one eye brow needs to be in focus then one needs to stop down. In that event if the back ground looks then a Sonnar comes in handy.

    Hope that clears it up.

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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Robert, If f/1.1 needed, then the faster lens comes in handy. If the whole face and not just one eye brow needs to be in focus then one needs to stop down. In that event if the back ground looks then a Sonnar comes in handy.

    Hope that clears it up.
    Vivek, I'm not being argumentative (much!). I remember the good old days, when Kodachrome was ASA 10 and SLR viewfinders were very dim — hence the need for very wide aperture lenses.

    I don't disagree with the eyebrow in focus theory, though I thought the point of focus should be on the bridge of the nose, so that the eyes, the portal to the soul, were just so slightly defocussed — important in female portraiture, to retain the eternal mystery that is woman.

    And, were I to win the Euromillions, I might well go for a Thambar to replicate this, even if I don't really do portraiture. Meanwhile, I fear a GAS attack to be imminent; I see I can get this lens off ebay for around £280-290, at which price it is really a 'steal'.

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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    I am rooting for you to win (the euro millions), Robert. If I beat you to it, I will get you a Thambar.
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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    Somehow, ended up buying one!

    Once i get the MM back from Leica and when I receive this lens, I will check it out.
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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    Here is a comparison by Brian at Leicaplace between the Zeiss and the 7artisan


    https://www.leicaplace.com/threads/7...04/#post-15928

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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    Samples of lively beings both on digital and on film that prompted me to pull the plug:

    http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1510113

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Samples of lively beings both on digital and on film that prompted me to pull the plug:

    http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1510113
    What was it about the images that made you decide to not get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I am rooting for you to win (the euro millions), Robert. If I beat you to it, I will get you a Thambar.
    Rumours of a 'new' Thambar are increasing.

    I've not yet won the Euromillions; but, Vivek, have you?
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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    From the leaked Pics, it looks like a copy of the Minolta/Sony STF/ Fuji APD/Laowa STF lens (the red aperture markings are a hint). No relation (other than the name) to the original Thambar.



    No news on the Euromillions either!

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Campbell View Post
    Rumours of a 'new' Thambar are increasing.

    I've not yet won the Euromillions; but, Vivek, have you?
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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    I believe the new Thambar has now been officially announced by Leica just a short time ago. Time to win the lottery!

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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    From the leaked Pics, it looks like a copy of the Minolta/Sony STF/ Fuji APD/Laowa STF lens (the red aperture markings are a hint). No relation (other than the name) to the original Thambar.


    From the official specs, I was wrong. It is the same Thambar design with a reflective filter and all.

    20X the price of a 7Artisans 50/1.1? One needs an Instagram acct, first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    From the official specs, I was wrong. It is the same Thambar design with a reflective filter and all.

    20X the price of a 7Artisans 50/1.1? One needs an Instagram acct, first.
    https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic..._medium=E-Mail

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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    From the official specs, I was wrong. It is the same Thambar design with a reflective filter and all.

    20X the price of a 7Artisans 50/1.1? One needs an Instagram acct, first.
    I thought the centre-spot filter was opaque rather than reflective. No?
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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    Pretty neat lens
    Build quality quite good actually

    Bought it
    I didn't read enough to realize it doesn't get to infinity focus on the SL with Leica M-SL adapter.

    Not sure if anyone else has firsthand experience with this combo?
    I don't think a different adapter will help, as it appears to be a rear element protrusion issue

    Of course my film camera is an M5, which I won't dare mount this guy on as that seems a good way to lose the metering arm... haha
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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    Steve, As per the included instructions, you can adjust the focus. This might get you infinity on the SL. However, if the focus is spot on with any of your RF cams, you should not adjust the focus.

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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Steve, As per the included instructions, you can adjust the focus. This might get you infinity on the SL. However, if the focus is spot on with any of your RF cams, you should not adjust the focus.
    Thanks I was just thinking of this
    I have no RF camera with which I can mount this camera anyway, so RF precision isn't important.
    I was just measuring and its really only about 0.2mm too deep to reach infinity on my SL..

    I'll try adjusting and report back, thanks!
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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    OK so adjusted as much as seems to be possible

    Got max focus on SL out from ~3.5m to ~8.
    DOF scale puts infinity within range if I stop down to f5.6 or so

    Better, but not great
    Probably all the range I need indoors, and even for most street

    If I had the tooling to nick a few fractions of a mm of metal off the rear protrusion of the lens around the rear element.. could probably get to infinity

    I guess I could also shim the mounting ring itself?
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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    Hi !

    did anyone try this lens on a micro4/3 camera ? Should be great to have an equivalent 100/1.1 ... any foreseeable problems ?

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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    Quote Originally Posted by sjg284 View Post
    Pretty neat lens
    Build quality quite good actually

    Bought it
    I didn't read enough to realize it doesn't get to infinity focus on the SL with Leica M-SL adapter.
    On the M-L adaptor, mine focuses through to about 5 metres very easily; from there to ∞ it's really stiff, but it can be done. On the SL it does seem to focus correctly at ∞.

    It's quite 'soft' at full aperture, but much improved at f/8.

    On the M240, there is no 'stiffness' of focus to get to ∞. Again, soft at full aperture, much better at f/8.

    Using the rangefinder, it was focusing accurately when I got it; I haven't adjusted it.
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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    I took a Dremel to the metal around the rear element on my lens and shaved/sanded off few fractions of a millimeter.

    I now have a lens that will comfortably focus to infinity on the SL :-D
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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    I bought one for the fun of it. Take your choice of one of the following characterizations:

    - a lens of unique character that provides highly atmospheric images.

    - or -

    - the worst lens I've every had. Outer third of image is blurry even at f16. I've got an uncoated 1938 Zeiss sonar that does a lot better (albeit not at f1.1!).

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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    I think you've described the superposition of characteristics of this lens.
    unique character with atmospheric rendering or soft/blurry/vignettey

    @$350 its a fun superspeed lens
    I've found again and again anything faster than f1.4 is not worth the trouble.
    Soft, vignette, terrible CA, focus shift, not flat field, weird bokeh, huge, heavy, expensive.

    So for the occasion you want to shoot in the absence of light its an entertaining toy.
    I'm contemplating building a parallel stable of "character" primes and "performance" primes.

    The VC 40/1.2 recently released caught my eye, but @ 3x the price of this lens.. some of the bokeh/CA/etc did raise some concern.
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    Re: 7 Artisans 50/1.1

    And we have neglected to post images.

    Sometimes the characteristics work well...

    Lower ISO and faster shutter to work in poor light

    S1040476
    by Steve, on Flickr

    Corners / edge zones wouldn't matter in this photo

    S1040542
    by Steve, on Flickr

    Shooting in near dark, just light coming in from streetlights & stove nightlight

    S1040462
    by Steve, on Flickr

    Kinda dreamy

    S1040528
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