Leica and Zeiss combined?

[ptomsu]

The TL line could become pretty interesting as soon as some (or better all) of these rumoured lenses become available AND as soon as the new rumoured TL-Leica with built in EVF becomes available. Might then become a very interesting alternative to the Fuji X system.

There is hope :clap:

 

[thrice]

Interesting. So the TL really is the new CL, in more ways than one

Great camera the CL!

 

[Jorgen Udvang]

The TL line could become pretty interesting as soon as some (or better all) of these rumoured lenses become available AND as soon as the new rumoured TL-Leica with built in EVF becomes available. Might then become a very interesting alternative to the Fuji X system.

There is hope :clap:

It will be an interesting alternative to any high-end mirrorless for those who don't shoot sports and action.

 

[ptomsu]

It will be an interesting alternative to any high-end mirrorless for those who don't shoot sports and action.

I see it similar, only thing I really don't get is why it might not also be for sports and action?

IMHO it should easily be on par with a Fujifilm XT2 or Olympus EM1.2 or Panasonic GH5 WRT speed and AF. Maybe not the level of Sony A9, but this is another type of camera competing with the Canon and Nikon Flagships.

I really hope they get this one right and also succeed to implement decent video, with APSC-FF 4k if possible. That would become a very tempting system ....

 

[iiiNelson]

I see it similar, only thing I really don't get is why it might not also be for sports and action?

IMHO it should easily be on par with a Fujifilm XT2 or Olympus EM1.2 or Panasonic GH5 WRT speed and AF. Maybe not the level of Sony A9, but this is another type of camera competing with the Canon and Nikon Flagships.

I really hope they get this one right and also succeed to implement decent video, with APSC-FF 4k if possible. That would become a very tempting system ....

Theres no PDAF in the TL (or the GH5 for that matter) so they aren't going to focus anywhere near as fast as the EM1mk2, XT2, A9, or the A6300/6500. One can always zone focus manually to overcome some of this in certain types of shooting but if relying on AF it won't be fast enough to rely on for many people.

 

[ptomsu]

Theres no PDAF in the TL (or the GH5 for that matter) so they aren't going to focus anywhere near as fast as the EM1mk2, XT2, A9, or the A6300/6500. One can always zone focus manually to overcome some of this in certain types of shooting but if relying on AF it won't be fast enough to rely on for many people.

Valid point - but we don't know:

1) What if Leica (together with the sensor manufacturer) could overcome the CDAF issue and make it as fast and accurate as PDAF?

2) What if Leica manages to have a PDAF/CDAF sensor in this new TL with integrated EVF?

 

[Bernard]

Okay here we go:
https://leicarumors.com/2015/08/13/...turer-with-tight-relations-to-panasonic.aspx/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_Semiconductor

http://eriknaso.com/2015/10/20/full...asonic-vlog-included-wait-what-could-this-be/

The sensor arrives attached to the logic board.
The shell arrives fully assembled and painted from Portugal.
Final assembly is carried out in Wetzlar, just enough that they can stamp it "Made in Germany".

The articles you link state that they are engaged in speculation. Speculation based on others' speculation does not constitute "evidence," even in this mixed-up post-truth world.

There are a handful of fabs that can make full-frame CMOS image sensors. They are billion dollar investments. The fact that one of these belongs to a company that also has a joint venture with Panasonic does not mean that Leica is a Panasonic company! Frankly, any fab that Leica uses will be linked in to other players in the photo business. That's unavoidable. Only Sony and Canon own their fabs outright, and Sony's fab belongs to a division that is independent of their camera business.

The same phenomenon happens on a much larger scale. Your iPhone contains many components that are made by Samsung! That does not make the iPhone a Samsung product.

The third article you link states that the SL has a log mode, and the GH4 has a log mode, therefore ...?
The author may not be aware that Sony, Canon, Arriflex, etc, also have log modes.
Leica's log mode is reputedly closer to Arri's than to others, and they are both German, so are they the same company? As the article says, it's all speculation.

Not sure what your point is about the Portugal factory. That factory was established in 1973, and Leica does not make a secret of it. You can arrange a visit if you want:
http://www.fdtimes.com/2017/02/22/leica-portugal-tour/

 

[Robert Campbell]

The articles you link state that they are engaged in speculation. Speculation based on others' speculation does not constitute "evidence," even in this mixed-up post-truth world.

There are a handful of fabs that can make full-frame CMOS image sensors. They are billion dollar investments. The fact that one of these belongs to a company that also has a joint venture with Panasonic does not mean that Leica is a Panasonic company! Frankly, any fab that Leica uses will be linked in to other players in the photo business. That's unavoidable. Only Sony and Canon own their fabs outright, and Sony's fab belongs to a division that is independent of their camera business.

The same phenomenon happens on a much larger scale. Your iPhone contains many components that are made by Samsung! That does not make the iPhone a Samsung product.

The third article you link states that the SL has a log mode, and the GH4 has a log mode, therefore ...?
The author may not be aware that Sony, Canon, Arriflex, etc, also have log modes.
Leica's log mode is reputedly closer to Arri's than to others, and they are both German, so are they the same company? As the article says, it's all speculation.

Not sure what your point is about the Portugal factory. That factory was established in 1973, and Leica does not make a secret of it. You can arrange a visit if you want:
http://www.fdtimes.com/2017/02/22/leica-portugal-tour/

This is a good example of globalisation and neo-liberal economic theory where components are made here and there before it all gets finally assembled.

The EU has rules about 'country of origin', how much of the work and assembly must be done in a particular place, here Germany, before the product can be labelled 'Made in Germany'.

 

[Bernard]

This is a good example of globalisation and neo-liberal economic theory (...)

Nothing neo about it. It's a trade route that goes back thousands of years.

 

[Robert Campbell]

Nothing neo about it. It's a trade route that goes back thousands of years.

In the past, trade routes shipped finished articles or raw materials.

Today, bits of things are made in lots of places before coming together at a final destination for assembly. In Europe, things can be imported/exported across national boundaries several times before the end-product is finished. Guinness, for example, is brewed in Dublin in the Republic of Ireland, transported into N Ireland which is part of the UK, bottled and canned, and then transported back to Dublin for sale. This didn't really happen with the old trade routes; infamously, Bristol in the UK exported bangles and stuff to west Africa, exchanged them for slaves which were brought to the Caribbean or America and sold there for sugar or tobacco which was imported at Bristol.