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Hi ThereThanks for your thoughtful write up. I am considering trading my m4/3 system for the CL - for an always with me travel camera.
I see one photo in your write-up at ISO 4000. I would be using this camera for some street photography, what is the highest ISO you are comfortable with? Also, a closely related question, how is the AF speed at, high ISO? does it hunt/lag? You don't directly address this point.
I will thank you in advance for your replies to my queries. Have a great day.
I guess they’ve always been in a private universe!Interesting. If that poor student still peddals past a camera store window showing the new CL vs the superlative Sony A7rII, the choice (not based on the price tag alone) would be very easy.
Leica is in a parallel universe alright!
Thank you.Hi There
Thanks for the kind words, I guess I didn’t directly address these points as they really didn’t come up much.
I was happy enough with 6400 ISO, even 10000 if converting to black and white. The AF is pretty good, even in really quite low light, certainly no hunting or lag.
All the best
Sony already did that. It is called the RX1.Just give it a few years, and Sony (formerly Minolta) will come out with the CLE. It is funny, when I was working for Minolta, we kept talking about a CLD.
That would be a Hexar AF. The CLE had interchangeable lenses.Sony already did that. It is called the RX1.
Hi DavidThanks for the review Jono. I tend to be a curmudgeon about many of the newer cameras when they first roll out. I inderstand it is my own personality disorder......a curb your enthusiasm thing
This CL already appeals to me. You made mention of the X in terms of the basic "package" and I couldn't help but read about this one with my X 113 in mind. I'm noticing resale on that camera has held pretty well (two recently went for over $1100) and think Leica did it right with the X-113. That said the camera has been a sleeper; your review was good but some others missed the mark and samples were poor.
The lens on the X like the X Vario is fabulous but also fast. It's weak AA filter insignificant (imho) and the ability to focus with the focus ring....no buttons to push, and simple layout make it way easier to use than RX1 and even than X100. The speed of the lens allows for shallow DOF and makes a camera that is much more versatile. And the flash is outstanding being able to quickly be dialed down.
Even reading about the CL, I think the X holds up very well. Again nice review, one caveat, your Clickity Clack photo is way too contre jour! Would benefit from the X's pop up flash
David
I don’t think any Leica cameras are ever going to be a value proposition, especially when compared with the mainstream mass produced cameras. To be honest, the only younger photographers I know who shoot Leica all shoot M cameras.I saw this essentially a TL2 with a built in EVF? If so great move on everything except the price. I’m not sure how it managed to cost $300 more than the TL with the EVF attachment but that’s Leica I guess. I think the price is too close to premium FF cameras from Canon, Nikon, and Sony personally and too far from direct competition from Olympus, Panasonic, and Fuji but it’s just my opinion. No doubt it’ll take great pictures in the right hands but it’s not the type of product that’ll expand the younger Leica user base. A FF mirrorless interchangeable lens Q will do that though. Yes it’ll cannibalizes SOME M sales possibly but more than likely it’ll attract more to the M as well.
Well yeah I guess I was thinking something similar to the SL in a different form factor that provides a platform to step into M lenses (eventually) for those that may want FF and portable or those M users with aging eyes.I don’t think any Leica cameras are ever going to be a value proposition, especially when compared with the mainstream mass produced cameras. To be honest, the only younger photographers I know who shoot Leica all shoot M cameras.
I can see the attraction of an interchangeable lens Q (ie full frame), but that would be directed straight at the Sony A7 cameras, (I assume you mean it would be L mount with autofocus?).
I don’t think there is really a way to expand the younger Leica user base at an economy level, and at the top end I think it is expanding.