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    When did 1.7 lenses become a Summilux?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdphoto View Post
    When did 1.7 lenses become a Summilux?
    Leica has been fudging lately. See also the 90mm f1.5 Summilux. Instead of f1.4, now Summilux means anything less than f2.0. Diluting the mark.
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    When did 1.7 lenses become a Summilux?
    When they introduced the original Q.
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    "Diluting the mark" is an absurd comment. Pointless implied bashing...

    A lens is a Summilux, always has been a Summilux, when Leica decides it's their best offering for the most light at the focal length. Period. The lens names are not inviolably tied to a specific maximum lens opening, and never have been. Certain conventions were followed for while, but there were always exceptions. Like Summarons that were f/3.5 to f/5.6, Elmars from f/2.8 to f/4.5, Hektors from f/4 to f/6.3, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    A lens is a Summilux, always has been a Summilux, when Leica decides it's their best offering for the most light at the focal length. Period. The lens names are not inviolably tied to a specific maximum lens opening, and never have been.
    So the 28mm f1.7 Summilux is the best 28mm lens Leica offers for the most light at the focal length. Is it better than the 28mm f1.4 Summilux for the most light at the focal length? Can you name another Summilux that isn't f1.4 other than the upcoming 90mm f1.5 Summilux?

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    Re: The Leica Q2

    How many other Summiluxes have a macro mode? It's an amazing lens, whatever it's called.
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    Re: The Leica Q2

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Thank you for the review, Jono. It's a tempting camera, possibly the best value Leica. If they made a 50mm version I would be very tempted.
    Agreed, Jorgen. Maybe a Q2S with native 50mm lens and crop factor for 75 & 90. That's where my shooting is now. M8.2 w/50 & M9-P w/90.
    I think Leica did an excellent work with this camera. And an M with 47mp would probably clear out the moths from the bank account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnBrew View Post
    And an M with 47mp would probably clear out the moths from the bank account.
    Well, I cannot help myself but manually focusing any M with 47MP via even the best RF system seems to be a nightmare. But maybe Leica has up some more (optical) tricks up their sleeves

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    Quote Originally Posted by faberryman View Post
    Can you name another Summilux that isn't f1.4 other than the upcoming 90mm f1.5 Summilux?
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    Leica couldn't win in naming the lens of the q. If it didn't have a name it would be strange and people would ask if it was an adapted existing lens. If they made up a new name for an adapted existing design they would have been blamed for taking credit for a simple rebrand and in doing it this way it is apparently not fitting in the summilux line (of 6 lenses, if I'm not mistaken).
    Most likely they wanted to give the Q a summilux lens all along, but they found a 1.4 version too big for the design and they decided to give the lenses a slightly smaller diameter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Well, I cannot help myself but manually focusing any M with 47MP via even the best RF system seems to be a nightmare. But maybe Leica has up some more (optical) tricks up their sleeves
    I wouldn't be surprised if the rangefinder was replaced with an EVF on the next M and they would bring out a separate version with a rangefinder for the purists (can't be that expensive to them to keep using it, the R&D needed must be almost zero.)
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    Re: The Leica Q2

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Well, I cannot help myself but manually focusing any M with 47MP via even the best RF system seems to be a nightmare. But maybe Leica has up some more (optical) tricks up their sleeves
    Well, pleasing their customers that pixel peep would be the problem, but the current rangefinder would actually work fine. Focus tolerance is not actually a resolution problem. If the displayed image looks sharp in a 24MP file, it will look sharp at 47 MP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeRuFo View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if the rangefinder was replaced with an EVF on the next M and they would bring out a separate version with a rangefinder for the purists (can't be that expensive to them to keep using it, the R&D needed must be almost zero.)
    Retooling the production line would be at least a million dollar investment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeRuFo View Post
    Leica couldn't win in naming the lens of the q. If it didn't have a name it would be strange and people would ask if it was an adapted existing lens. If they made up a new name for an adapted existing design they would have been blamed for taking credit for a simple rebrand and in doing it this way it is apparently not fitting in the summilux line (of 6 lenses, if I'm not mistaken).
    Most likely they wanted to give the Q a summilux lens all along, but they found a 1.4 version too big for the design and they decided to give the lenses a slightly smaller diameter.
    Or just marketing hype to jack prices...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    Well, pleasing their customers that pixel peep would be the problem, but the current rangefinder would actually work fine. Focus tolerance is not actually a resolution problem. If the displayed image looks sharp in a 24MP file, it will look sharp at 47 MP.
    24mp being more limited by cropping and print size of course. Also, more mp's requires better technique too. Errors are obviously more pronounced at 47mp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    "Diluting the mark" is an absurd comment. Pointless implied bashing...

    A lens is a Summilux, always has been a Summilux, when Leica decides it's their best offering for the most light at the focal length. Period. The lens names are not inviolably tied to a specific maximum lens opening, and never have been. Certain conventions were followed for while, but there were always exceptions. Like Summarons that were f/3.5 to f/5.6, Elmars from f/2.8 to f/4.5, Hektors from f/4 to f/6.3, etc.

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    From Thorsten Overgaard "Summilux = Refers to the maximum lens aperture - here f1.4 , "-lux" added for "light" (ie. the enhanced light gathering abilities). In Leica terminology a Summilux is always a f/1.4 lens and a Summicron is a f/2.0 lens."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdphoto View Post
    24mp being more limited by cropping and print size of course. Also, more mp's requires better technique too. Errors are obviously more pronounced at 47mp.
    I have made 60" prints from 24MP files on 42" roll paper, so I am unsure at what point print size is a factor. While "errors" are more detectable at a 100% monitor view, we don't view final prints that way--a 24mp print is viewed at the same distance as a 47mp one. This is why shooting the Q in crop modes doesn't actually make it more difficult to focus beyond the differences in magnification/angle of view.
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    Re: The Leica Q2

    Quote Originally Posted by jdphoto View Post
    From Thorsten Overgaard "Summilux = Refers to the maximum lens aperture - here f1.4 , "-lux" added for "light" (ie. the enhanced light gathering abilities). In Leica terminology a Summilux is always a f/1.4 lens and a Summicron is a f/2.0 lens."
    I guess Leica has updated their definition of Summilux. Just like Noctilux does not specify a specific aperture (it could be anywhere between F/0.95 to f/1.2), Summilux now has a the range of f/1.4 to f/1.7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdphoto View Post
    From Thorsten Overgaard "Summilux = Refers to the maximum lens aperture - here f1.4 , "-lux" added for "light" (ie. the enhanced light gathering abilities). In Leica terminology a Summilux is always a f/1.4 lens and a Summicron is a f/2.0 lens."
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    Yeah, Id want atleast 18mp with the teleconveter attached giving you between a 50-75 fov. Which is why it would probably have to be a custom Leica tele made just for that camera. Im obviously wanting it for the original Q. Not the Q2
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    Quote Originally Posted by faberryman View Post
    So the 28mm f1.7 Summilux is the best 28mm lens Leica offers for the most light at the focal length. Is it better than the 28mm f1.4 Summilux for the most light at the focal length? Can you name another Summilux that isn't f1.4 other than the upcoming 90mm f1.5 Summilux?
    That's kind of another absurd pair of questions. You can answer it for yourself. Hint: the Q/Q2 cameras are not M-mount cameras, and there are Summilux lenses in different camera/lens lines with the same focal lengths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    I have made 60" prints from 24MP files on 42" roll paper, so I am unsure at what point print size is a factor. While "errors" are more detectable at a 100% monitor view, we don't view final prints that way--a 24mp print is viewed at the same distance as a 47mp one. This is why shooting the Q in crop modes doesn't actually make it more difficult to focus beyond the differences in magnification/angle of view.
    If you change one you affect the other values such as pixel dimension, resolution and size. Having more data in the file at native print sizes will always be a better starting point. Print quality is obviously subjective with viewing distance and ppi, while some use high mp ILC's for the ability to crop when using various prime/zoom lenses and still have enough resolution. Having a cropped, lower resolution image with a fixed lens doesn't satisfy the needs of some of the agencies I work with. And yes, many look at images at 100% monitor view. We wouldn't have planned obsolescence if they didn't.

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    Some folks look at new gear and say what it can't do. Other folks look at new gear and say what they can do with it. Like the Q when it was introduced, the Q2 seems to encourage a lot of the former on the internet. In any case, sales were/are sufficient for Leica to support the model. All good for me, I like my Q a lot and would buy the Q2 in a heartbeat if I needed a replacement.

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    Re: The Leica Q2

    First shoot today
    I found the files were 88mb in size and the Q1 files were 44mb. Makes sense.
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