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    75 Summilux and 35 Summilux Asph on the M8

    i have questions on both these lenses that have probably been covered elsewhere -- but i can't find them so i'm asking here to see if anybody can shed some light.

    75 Lux. i was out shooting with a friend last night and he was the one who commented on something i had already discovered: the 75 Lux does not focus to infinity wide open!

    close focus is tricky, obviously, but it seems to be spot on (when i am) and produces stunning images, with the area of true focus as sharp as you could ever ask for. but infinity? soft is an appropriate word. is this normal for the lens? (my friend had to stop it down to f/5.6 on his recently calibrated M8) i mean, if i had my druthers, i really would rather it be perfect at close distances if i had to choose. if it is also supposed to do infinity, though, i then have a problematic lens....

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    the 35 Lux Asph. i want one. period. my pre-asph, which was brilliant wide open on the Epson, sucks on the M8 (soft is kind, it just looks like a really bad lens). i tried out my friend's Lux Asph last night and the differences were stunning.

    much as i lust after other lenses, i am broke so i need to concentrate on what i use most and really need. that would be a 35 and f/2 won't cut it. i do shoot frequently at f/1.4 so please don't tell me to get the 35 Cron Asph. (i briefly flirted with the idea of the 28 Cron, but i am a Lux lass at heart.)

    i know this has to be the most problematic lens on the M8, but perfect specimens are possible. i am asking you all what to look for in a used lens.

    is there any truth that the chrome or the titanium were more likely to not have issues? (btw, i would really would prefer a black.) can any lens be picked up and recalibrated by, say, DAG to work perfectly or are there problematic lenses that cause problems and will always cause problems on the M8?

    as tempting as the prices on ebay seem, i think this is one lens i may have to go through a reputable dealer on, non?

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    Re: 75 Summilux and 35 Summilux Asph on the M8

    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    i have questions on both these lenses that have probably been covered elsewhere -- but i can't find them so i'm asking here to see if anybody can shed some light.

    75 Lux. i was out shooting with a friend last night and he was the one who commented on something i had already discovered: the 75 Lux does not focus to infinity wide open!

    close focus is tricky, obviously, but it seems to be spot on (when i am) and produces stunning images, with the area of true focus as sharp as you could ever ask for. but infinity? soft is an appropriate word. is this normal for the lens? (my friend had to stop it down to f/5.6 on his recently calibrated M8) i mean, if i had my druthers, i really would rather it be perfect at close distances if i had to choose. if it is also supposed to do infinity, though, i then have a problematic lens....

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    the 35 Lux Asph. i want one. period. my pre-asph, which was brilliant wide open on the Epson, sucks on the M8 (soft is kind, it just looks like a really bad lens). i tried out my friend's Lux Asph last night and the differences were stunning.

    much as i lust after other lenses, i am broke so i need to concentrate on what i use most and really need. that would be a 35 and f/2 won't cut it. i do shoot frequently at f/1.4 so please don't tell me to get the 35 Cron Asph. (i briefly flirted with the idea of the 28 Cron, but i am a Lux lass at heart.)

    i know this has to be the most problematic lens on the M8, but perfect specimens are possible. i am asking you all what to look for in a used lens.

    is there any truth that the chrome or the titanium were more likely to not have issues? (btw, i would really would prefer a black.) can any lens be picked up and recalibrated by, say, DAG to work perfectly or are there problematic lenses that cause problems and will always cause problems on the M8?

    as tempting as the prices on ebay seem, i think this is one lens i may have to go through a reputable dealer on, non?

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    I don't know about the 75 'lux and infinity, I know my nocti was problematic, but it'd been back to Solms twice and it was fab up to 20 metres or so.

    As for the 35 'lux - there must be a truth out there, but I suspect that there are many truths rather than just one.

    If you can get a good deal I'd have thought that was the way to go, with the knowledge that you'll probably need to get it sent to Solms for coding and calibration anyway.

    As for the focus shift - it seems that some lenses did it more than others.

    I've simply stayed clear, but I can see you have to go there

    Good Luck!

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    Re: 75 Summilux and 35 Summilux Asph on the M8

    Cam,
    My 35 Lux ASPH gave me terrible difficulties that were not solved by trips to Leica or to DAG until finally I was asked, Would you like it sharp from f/2 on down, and also at f/1.4? Of course I said yes, the price was that at f/1.4, at near distances, all of the DOF lies in front of the focus point. It is just sharp at the focus point, but not a whisker behind. That ends up working pretty well for me since now I at least know where it is and at 1.4, I am probably taking my time composing the shot and can think about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Cans of Worms here

    I've simply stayed clear, but I can see you have to go there


    yes, Jono, i do despite advice to the contrary, i am madly in love with the 35 Lux, plain and simple. it is my go-to focal length (though the framelines on the old M8 leave a bit to be desired).

    btw, my Nocti is pretty fab at distances and i find it less troublesome than the 75 Lux. it may be that i really learned that lens, or that the earlier coating and draw of the lens make it more pleasing when not quite spot on....

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Cam,
    My 35 Lux ASPH gave me terrible difficulties that were not solved by trips to Leica or to DAG until finally I was asked, Would you like it sharp from f/2 on down, and also at f/1.4? Of course I said yes, the price was that at f/1.4, at near distances, all of the DOF lies in front of the focus point. It is just sharp at the focus point, but not a whisker behind. That ends up working pretty well for me since now I at least know where it is and at 1.4, I am probably taking my time composing the shot and can think about it.
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    thank you, Bob! very good to know.... who asked you -- did this for you?

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    DAG, but this is now how Leica is setting them up I hear.
    No matter where you send it, make sure that they know you want critical focus at f/2 and that it is ok if the edge of usable dof is just available at f/1.4.
    What they were doing was setting the focus for the middle of the f/1.4 range which does not work with that optical formula.
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    thank you, again Bob. i was planning on calling DAG anyways whilst i was in the States. after i get the new shutter in my Epson, i want to try and calibrate the two bodies (R-D1 and M8), along with my lenses, and i'm not sure if my service center can do all i'm asking.

    i suspect my Epson always had some front focus issue that i adapted to, which is making the M8 that much harder (muscle memory and all that) for me to get comfortable with. it's like learning all over again.... i would like to be able to use both cameras and not really have to think about it that much when i swap them as i still very much prefer the Epson for high ISO shots.

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    Re: 75 Summilux and 35 Summilux Asph on the M8

    Hi Cam -- I just tested my 75/1.4 on my M8 for you, and when I just set it at infinity and photographed some things a few hundred meters away, they were very soft. But when I focused very carefully, only a millimeter or two off of infinity, the shots were very sharp. I am not sure if that is what you were doing, but it surprised me. I was sure that things that far away would be for all intents and purposes at infinity. They most certainly were not. I think this is a lens that you need to focus even when the objects are very distant.


    As for the 35/1.4 ASPH, as I mentioned in the M8 thread, it is one of my favorite lenses. That said, it has its difficulties on the M8. If you are strapped for cash, I would highly recommend considering the Voigtlander 35/1.2 -- not their 35/1.4, but the 1.2. It is quite large, but by all accounts it is a superb lens and in a similar league to the 35/1.4 ASPH. You would need to get one of the later ones that was modified for the M8, (and code it somehow, though that is less critical), but you would get a much cheaper lens without focus shift. The penalty is size and weight more than optical performance.
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    Re: 75 Summilux and 35 Summilux Asph on the M8

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    Hi Cam -- I just tested my 75/1.4 on my M8 for you, and when I just set it at infinity and photographed some things a few hundred meters away, they were very soft. But when I focused very carefully, only a millimeter or two off of infinity, the shots were very sharp. I am not sure if that is what you were doing, but it surprised me. I was sure that things that far away would be for all intents and purposes at infinity. They most certainly were not. I think this is a lens that you need to focus even when the objects are very distant.


    As for the 35/1.4 ASPH, as I mentioned in the M8 thread, it is one of my favorite lenses. That said, it has its difficulties on the M8. If you are strapped for cash, I would highly recommend considering the Voigtlander 35/1.2 -- not their 35/1.4, but the 1.2. It is quite large, but by all accounts it is a superb lens and in a similar league to the 35/1.4 ASPH. You would need to get one of the later ones that was modified for the M8, (and code it somehow, though that is less critical), but you would get a much cheaper lens without focus shift. The penalty is size and weight more than optical performance.
    thank you, Stuart! i thought that may be the case on the 75 Lux, but wanted verification from somebody more experienced with the M8 than i. i was definitely more happy than my friend with the results (horrid lighting, trying to capture a couple necking on a bench outside a church across a very big and crowded intersection). i feel much better now -- i just need to finesse it rather than imagine it must be at infinity

    as for the Voightlander lens -- no. i know some people love it to death, but it doesn't do it for me. this friend i was playing with bought that before his 35 Lux Asph. at first he was ecstatic, but soon started to yearn for more. i, on the other hand, tried it on my Epson for one of our sessions and knew immediately it wasn't for me. i am not dissing the optical performance of the CV, simply that i love the way the Luxes draw. when i tried his Lux Asph last night on my M8, i felt i was "home" again (LOL! strains of Lovesong just started going through my head)....

    since i'm probably going to take the plunge, can you explain the difficulties a little more so i know what i'm in for?

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    I worked on this problem(s) with the 35/50/75Lux an the 50noctilux. Multiple trips to Solms and finally a few hours on site with the NJ leica technician. Things I learned:

    1. Accurate calibration is a subjective issue. What is acceptable to one individual simply will not work for another. Leica s specified tolerances for M8 s and M lenses are not sufficiently tight to insure critical accuracy wide open. Normally the tolerances stay within an acceptable range and frequently offset each other. Learn to test you own lenses and document your results.

    2. Get the camera right first. Try to avoid adjusting the camera and the lens to work together..this just results in a never ending calibartion process everytime you change a body or a lens. Always adjust the lens to a calibrated body.

    3. On the 75 Lux the relationship between the flange thickness(shims) and the cam placement is critical. Only Solms has the equipment to do this. If its not right you can not achieve infinity focus (assuming the lens is calibrated for close and wide open).

    4. The 35Lux is best set for dead on at F2 ...this results in only a very slight front focus wide open and better results as you stop down.

    You can find dozens of threads on the leica user forum on "calibration issues". My only caution is that most M users are quite happy with their camera/lenses and are frequently accepting of slight calibration issues. Asking does your 35Lux focus accurately is in the "eye of the beholder". I get "spot on" all the time for cameras and lenses that are off.

    The benefit of getting this right is a much higher "hit ratio" of sharp images.

    Sorry if this is more than you really were asking .

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    Roger -- thank you! that was exactly what i was asking.

    cheers!

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    Re: 75 Summilux and 35 Summilux Asph on the M8

    I had to send my lens, 35 lux and M8.2 to DAG (he insisted on both for a correct calibration). When I got them back it was perfect and now lives on my M8. I also have the 75 L but haven't had a good opportunity to go out and test it at full f stops but I feel fairly confident because it was Jacks old lens and I was told it was spot on.
    Here is the special signature of the 35 L that I love; iso 640.... wonderful lens when calibrated correctly.

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    I love my 35-lux-asph on my M8. It is the one lens which keeps me a Leica owner in the face of stiff interest in other systems.

    Mine may suffer from back/front or even out of focus but the fact is at f1.4 it remains amazingly sharp, albeit not as sharp as a razor.

    To be fair, I don't do portraits or wedding photography but I do do a lot of urban streetwork mainly just before or after dawn. The luminance of the 35-lux is what comes through in each shot and the lovely separation of subject from background. Imho, and bearing in mind my newbie status I still think that the M8 and 35-lux-asph were made for each other.

    Here's one of my favourites, even though it is a fairly mundane shot, in dawn's early light, December 2008, iso640 f1.4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
    Cam

    I love my 35-lux-asph on my M8. It is the one lens which keeps me a Leica owner in the face of stiff interest in other systems.

    Mine may suffer from back/front or even out of focus but the fact is at f1.4 it remains amazingly sharp, albeit not as sharp as a razor.

    To be fair, I don't do portraits or wedding photography but I do do a lot of urban streetwork mainly just before or after dawn. The luminance of the 35-lux is what comes through in each shot and the lovely separation of subject from background. Imho, and bearing in mind my newbie status I still think that the M8 and 35-lux-asph were made for each other.

    Here's one of my favourites, even though it is a fairly mundane shot, in dawn's early light, December 2008, iso640 f1.4.

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    The 35Lux is a great lens for soft light (as illustrated in your dawn image). The contrast wide open is amazing and makes it a great solution for overcast or rainy day light.

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    thank you for the examples and opinions, Mike and biglouis.

    btw, Mike, you know how jealous i am that you got Jack's 75! we will have a shoot out one of these days....


    Quote Originally Posted by glenerrolrd View Post
    The 35Lux is a great lens for soft light (as illustrated in your dawn image). The contrast wide open is amazing and makes it a great solution for overcast or rainy day light.
    Roger, welcome to the conditions i shoot in most of the year

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    Never had a problem with my 35 lux on the M8... I know most people complain about focus shift but honestly all my images always came out fantastic (I shot wide open a lot)... Those of you that know me know that I don't care about pixel peeping either...

    I sold it because it was not wide enough for the digital work. BTW, the majority of the work on my site was shot with a 35 lux wide open (see the Finland, and West Palm Beach wedding galleries)

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by cam View Post
    thank you for the examples and opinions, Mike and biglouis.

    btw, Mike, you know how jealous i am that you got Jack's 75! we will have a shoot out one of these days....




    Roger, welcome to the conditions i shoot in most of the year


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    I will be in Paris june 8-18 for the sole purpose of street shooting..maybe you would like to meet during my trip . I will send you a PM after we arrive and get settled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riccis View Post
    Never had a problem with my 35 lux on the M8... I know most people complain about focus shift but honestly all my images always came out fantastic (I shot wide open a lot)... Those of you that know me know that I don't care about pixel peeping either...

    I sold it because it was not wide enough for the digital work. BTW, the majority of the work on my site was shot with a 35 lux wide open (see the Finland, and West Palm Beach wedding galleries)
    gorgeous, Riccis, but you know already i'm a fan! funny about focal length....

    i might feel the same way as you if i was shooting in your situation (for instance, for silent but deadly street shooting i'm a true 28mm gal all the way). because of the noise of the R-D1 and, yes, sigh, the M8 (an improvement with discreet advance but still), i have to stay farther away to get what i want. at heart, honestly, i would love to be Bruce Gilden! alas, i'm a wuss

    and i'm going through an odd isolationist faze that i'm quite enjoying.


    Quote Originally Posted by mwalker View Post
    But you're in Paris shooting cool stuff and I'm in Kentucky shooting hay bales
    darlin', if i were you, i would have been at the Derby shooting hats like mad! that, and lady's heels sticking in the mud not to mention trying, probably unsuccessfully, to catch the beauty of horses in motion....

    do you get bales too now? it was such a bummer to find, even deep in the country here, that bales were the rage. i had visions of Van Gogh's haystacks and all i got were these perfect bales -- harrumph! still, i bet you could make magic with that lens


    Quote Originally Posted by glenerrolrd View Post
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    I will be in Paris june 8-18 for the sole purpose of street shooting..maybe you would like to meet during my trip . I will send you a PM after we arrive and get settled.
    that would be lovely, Roger, definitely do! i'll be back by then. (pity that you're not coming a day or two earlier -- there's a big photo fair in Paris on the 6th and 7th, which might have some glorious gone but not forgotten lenses.) and, unfortunately, i'm missing Bob's visit (he wouldn't change the timing for me, naughty boy) this month as it's always lovely to meet and shoot with others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riccis View Post
    Never had a problem with my 35 lux on the M8... I know most people complain about focus shift but honestly all my images always came out fantastic (I shot wide open a lot)... Those of you that know me know that I don't care about pixel peeping either...

    I sold it because it was not wide enough for the digital work. BTW, the majority of the work on my site was shot with a 35 lux wide open (see the Finland, and West Palm Beach wedding galleries)

    Cheers,
    I share Riccis experiences with the 35 Lux, ie.my silver chrome one never displayed any sign of focus shift. Because I sometimes get a case of the stupids I sold this flawless copy to Peter A along with a bunch of R lenses. He said the 35 lux worked perfectly on his M8 but I believe that somewhere along the way he had an accident and the lens was basically destroyed. Sad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyspedden View Post
    I share Riccis experiences with the 35 Lux, ie.my silver chrome one never displayed any sign of focus shift. Because I sometimes get a case of the stupids I sold this flawless copy to Peter A along with a bunch of R lenses. He said the 35 lux worked perfectly on his M8 but I believe that somewhere along the way he had an accident and the lens was basically destroyed. Sad!
    can i be a spoiled brat here? when you were selling that flawless copy, i wanted to buy it. unfortunately, you were having some sort of family emergency and were unreachable.... i was in the states and had the chance to buy the pre-asph i now have. after trying both lenses, i preferred the Asph for various reasons (close focus and the ability to retain details better wide open). i was completed seduced by this article, knew i wanted a Lux -- but you were away for an unknown period.

    i did the proper thing and bought a lens i in arms reach, not knowing if your lens would be sold whilst i couldn't reach you. it was well-used and i plan to continue to do so on my R-D1. but that's how long i've wanted one, Woody. your lens was always a touchstone for me and i've frequently wondered what if. and now you tell me it's no more

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    Re: 75 Summilux and 35 Summilux Asph on the M8

    Damn everything is made better in France!

    Love the shot! I've got some time this weekend so the challenge is on!
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    Re: 75 Summilux and 35 Summilux Asph on the M8

    Now I understand what "Hay Fever" feels like.

    Nice Cam!

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    What do non-focus-shifting 35 Lux ASPH and 75 Luxes go for these days (in Euro)?
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    Re: 75 Summilux and 35 Summilux Asph on the M8

    m8 35 lux


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    Never used a 35lux, but have owned 2 75/1.4 lux's, and used on various film M's, 4 RD1s, and the M8.

    The key is to either send in your early 75/1.4 for collimation, or to use a late model 75/1.4, the flange and/or QC done on the later ones is key for accurate focus @ 1.4, at min distance, and usable that way on any properly working M body.

    Question about M8/35 lux - how can one only get DOF in front of point of focus wide open, when say you are focusing at min. distance @ 1.4?? Doesn't sound right to me.
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    No idea about the 35s, but 75s, you have to pay the price of a later one with newer flange mount, usually USD $500 adder or so.

    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    What do non-focus-shifting 35 Lux ASPH and 75 Luxes go for these days (in Euro)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyspedden View Post
    I share Riccis experiences with the 35 Lux, ie.my silver chrome one never displayed any sign of focus shift. Because I sometimes get a case of the stupids I sold this flawless copy to Peter A along with a bunch of R lenses. He said the 35 lux worked perfectly on his M8 but I believe that somewhere along the way he had an accident and the lens was basically destroyed. Sad!

    Woody
    Good news Woody!!

    I thought I had reported the outcome of my accident which occurred when I dropped my M8 down a flight of stairs and then watched in slow motion horror as the camera fell another meter or so onto concrete..

    Long story short I thought I had destroyed the lens as it had very very stiff focus up to a point and then wouldn't budge ...

    Sent camera into the dealer who sent it off to Solms - and hurrah a few weeks later - the 35lux was fixed and calibrated - like new - and my M8 with a ding on bottom and knick on top showing a touch of brass came back with fixed rangefinder as well!

    Turns out that the 35lux had just bent the internal helical which was replaced - and everything is just perfect...-

    I have never had a problem with focus issues with this lens before accident or after - but I give up recommending anything to anyone..after reading threads in here about this or that issue and multiple copies being tested for this and that and sent back and forth etc etc..

    Leica isnt as bad with service as the internet boards suggest.

    I am waiting for teh full frame M8.-
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    Re: 75 Summilux and 35 Summilux Asph on the M8

    Well I did it...

    I have a 28 cron, 50 Lux ASPH and a 75 Summarit but I just bought a mint 9+ condition used 35 Lux ASPH in box from BH for $2920. So after I evaluate it I will have to sell either my 28 or 50 as I cant keep them all. If I like the 35 Lux ASPH, I may sell the 28 and 50 and buy a 24..would be nice to get the 24 Lux but not 100% yet. Either that or the 2.8.

    That would make a great set..24 Lux, 35 Lux and 75 Summarit (which I do like quite a bit now) but when the FF M comes out (and it will) I know I will miss having a 50. Hmmmmmm
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    Re: 75 Summilux and 35 Summilux Asph on the M8

    Good luck with the 35lux, it's all-around workhorse for me.

    Won't be for a while yet ... but, I'll eventually add the 75lux (second favorite M lens on the M8 behind the 35lux) followed by a 21 or 24 lux.

    Steve, the 50lux is a modern Leica masterpiece, but I just couldn't get used to that focal length (or the 28mm for that matter) on the M8.

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    Hi All,

    Regarding the 75mm Lux, it was mentioned in a number of posts above, that one of the keys to accurate focusing of this lens on an M8 is to obtain a late version of this lens with what I presume is a later version flange? Is that correct? Was it just tolerances that were different or something more? I presume all 75 Luxes in the red box were early versions? Any serial numbers that would constitute a late one? Thanks!

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    Re: 75 Summilux and 35 Summilux Asph on the M8

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    Good news Woody!!

    I thought I had reported the outcome of my accident which occurred when I dropped my M8 down a flight of stairs and then watched in slow motion horror as the camera fell another meter or so onto concrete..

    Long story short I thought I had destroyed the lens as it had very very stiff focus up to a point and then wouldn't budge ...

    Sent camera into the dealer who sent it off to Solms - and hurrah a few weeks later - the 35lux was fixed and calibrated - like new - and my M8 with a ding on bottom and knick on top showing a touch of brass came back with fixed rangefinder as well!

    Turns out that the 35lux had just bent the internal helical which was replaced - and everything is just perfect...-

    I have never had a problem with focus issues with this lens before accident or after - but I give up recommending anything to anyone..after reading threads in here about this or that issue and multiple copies being tested for this and that and sent back and forth etc etc..

    Leica isnt as bad with service as the internet boards suggest.

    I am waiting for teh full frame M8.-
    Wonderful news Peter. I really should have kept this lens. From the reports on various threads this may be the only copy out there that doesn't have focus shift.

    Woody

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    Re: 75 Summilux and 35 Summilux Asph on the M8

    I have never heard this before, and frankly I am a bit skeptical about it. I have a fairly early version of the E60 lens, and it focuses fine on the M8. There is focal shift, but it is spot on at f/1.4. The optical design did not change, so assuming it is focusing properly at f/1.4, all generations should be equal. There is no magic bullet. Any lens and body are going to work better together if you send them both to be calibrated at the same time.
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    My 3 Lux arrived today and man oh man...

    THIS is the lens I have been WANTING all along with the M8. This passes my 28 cron and my 50 Lux ASPH. I bought it used from BH in a 9+ condition. Box, case, paperwork, hood, etc. Looked untouched. Tested all apertures and I can detect no focusing issues, except my 1st shot here with it



    Now to sell my 28 and pick up a 24 (I may skip the 24 lux and go with the 24 Elmarit) and I will be done!
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    Re: 75 Summilux and 35 Summilux Asph on the M8

    is it not amazing, Steve? i knew you would love it!

    what i am finding with mine is that it has all of the glow of the pre-asph, but has the ability to capture fine detail wide open. sharp, but never clinical, a kind of ethereal lushness.

    even when you don't nail focus (twitchy nephew) at f/1.4, it's capable of beautiful images. more of a soft focus look than something badly focused.... (will put up an example later)

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    It is pretty amazing actually and I am liking it better than my 50 ASPH already. Just took some quick shots around the house/yard and I like what I see. Can't wait to see some of your pics...
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    after you mentioned that I noticed I had an OOF shot I just snapped of my dog!

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    Hi Stuart,

    You are correct, an adjusted early one will work fine, and I agree, optical design is the same, in fact it's possible the glass sources were the same.

    However, later ones do have a different flange material, and in 2 examples I've owned, did not need any sending off for adjustment, nor do they have any focus shift on film, RD1, or M8.

    Many, many folks with early ones have trouble focusing these, some, even after sending in. Check out the threads on RFF archives. At one point it was suggested that early ones were slightly off focus by design. I am not saying that, but that thread and user experiences of non-adjusted early luxes with critical focusing wide open, min. distance, and at all other distances, apertures indicate something in the QA process changed, IMHO.

    For other lenses (35 cron, etc.), I'm very happy with the Canada ones. For this particular lens, I'm willing to pay more for the later one. That's just me, and my observations, and discussions with some Leica techs.


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    I have never heard this before, and frankly I am a bit skeptical about it. I have a fairly early version of the E60 lens, and it focuses fine on the M8. There is focal shift, but it is spot on at f/1.4. The optical design did not change, so assuming it is focusing properly at f/1.4, all generations should be equal. There is no magic bullet. Any lens and body are going to work better together if you send them both to be calibrated at the same time.
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    Hey Cam, do you have any focus shift after 2.8?
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    Re: 75 Summilux and 35 Summilux Asph on the M8

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    Hey Cam, do you have any focus shift after 2.8?
    um, actually before.... need to play around with some more, but there does seem to be back focus wide open at f/1.4 and f/2. f/2.8 is almost there, f/4 is spot on.... think it may need a tweak or two as i heard it best to optimise for f/2.

    (it sounds like you're lens was optimised for wide open shotting and would thusly shift at the mid apertures and probably come back around f/8.)

    then again, two people (who's opinion i respect) did not seem to have a problem with this lens, so now i'm wondering if perhaps my body is slightly out. lens and body (along with my Nocti and 75 Lux are probably going in to service when my Epson is done to try and make everybody play nice with each other.... sigh.

    ah well, i'll get to play with my new old Nikon F i got from my dad

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    Yea, mine is 100% at 1.4 and from F2-F8 its off. But its lovely at 1.4...
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    Re: 75 Summilux and 35 Summilux Asph on the M8

    Hi Stuart & Ampguy,

    Thanks for your responses regarding the 75 Lux and early vs. later lenses Ampguy, when you mentioned later 75 LUX, at what point consitutues later ones...all those with the built-in sliding hood? Certain serial #'s? Those in earlier RED vs. later White boxes? I'm trying to get a handle on which ones would be considered "later" ones. Thanks!

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    Re: 75 Summilux and 35 Summilux Asph on the M8

    Steve,

    my ongoing saga after boring boring testing this morning....

    35 Lux and Noctilux both back focus consistently across apertures, making me think i had issues with my body.... then i pulled out the 75 Lux and was able to nail focus on a stray grey hair sticking out of my boyfriend's shirt at f/1.4 -- breathtakingly sharp! pulled my old 50 Lux pre-asph (the one lens i can always depend on to nail focus).

    so i'm back to thinking it is the lenses and the only reason i'd been happy with my Nocti initially was because my Epson had front focus issues.... sigh.

    i want to use the camera tomorrow night at a Laker game, but it now seems the whole lot of it will be going in to service for expert opinion and calibration.

    i'm not really miffed because all these lenses are just so gorgeous that it's worth it to me to make everybody play nice with each other. and, i think with the fast lenses, you have to make a compromise -- wide open perfection may mean slight suffering in the mids or calibrating for f/2 might mean a slight front focus wide open in which you learn to compensate there whilst DOF covers it as you stop down.

    again, having the speed and signature of these lenses is worth the hassle to me. for those it isn't, there are always the Crons

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    Cam, sorry to hear that! I have been driving myself nuts with mine as I LOVE it wide open so much I am afraid if I got a new one it will not be as nice wide open!! BUT, after shooting yesterday at F4 and 5.6 I realized I have to send it back.

    I found a good buy on a NEW in box 35 Lux, and with the current $400 rebate it will be close to what I paid for the used one. I will have the new one tomorrow and will test them both side by side and see how it goes. I will have a pretty detailed write up on this lens in a couple of weeks at my site with samples from both copies of the lens, on TWO M8 bodies.

    Anyway, here are three from yesterday, all wide open of course.







    Also, I am on the lookout for a 75 Lux and have a dealer keeping an eye out for one for me as well.
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    Re: 75 Summilux and 35 Summilux Asph on the M8

    nothing to be sorry about at all!

    the beauty of my 35 Lux is that the focus shift is almost exactly the same across the board (and really fairly miniscule if i take my time in focusing), meaning that a slight tweak to either lens or body will make it spot on. the key will be pulling all my other lenses out today to see where the issue truly lies.

    and i'm glad you've taken my badgering to heart regarding the 75

    i got to be passenger yesterday and was shooting street scenes out the car window with it in Hollywood. setting the shutter speed at 1000 and shooting at either 1250 or 2500, i got some truly fun slices of life. for a lens that is so gorgeous wide open, it also did an astonishing job at f/8 from a moving car.

    the only caveat is i need to figure out how to process out some of the banding that occurred at the high ISO's. i think C1 will do this, but haven't tried yet (i shot RAW and b/w JPEG so there is a chance that the RAW files aren't so bad).

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    Re: 75 Summilux and 35 Summilux Asph on the M8

    Steve, I hope the other 35lux works out for you ... when it goes right, it's all one really needs on the M8 to be happy. Unless, of course, you complement it with the wonderful 75lux.

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    Re: 75 Summilux and 35 Summilux Asph on the M8

    for anyone that has been following this thread, here is the finale of the saga.

    my M8 is spot on, no focus shift. my Epson is now back, sans focus shift.

    Noctilux was bad and only worked because i used to have focus shift on the R-D1. a trip to Solms is probably in order, unless i can find someone locally in Paris to fix it.

    the 75 Lux was spot on, is spot on, and continues to amaze me.

    my pre-asph 35 Lux got a huge overhaul and is now working faultlessly after CLA. i used to think people who sent their lenses in where being overly anal. mea culpa. the difference is HUGE. it's almost like receiving a new lens and i am happy to have this back in rotation.

    if i had done this first, perhaps i would not have sought out the Asph, but i can't say i regret it one bit. a little TLC and the lens was made for me -- i am in awe of my 35 Asph Lux now! the focus shift is so minimal that i can easily focus at all apertures. it's gentle curve of OOF just thrills me to bits!

    this is a lens that worked brilliantly for two people -- actually three, if you count my friend here who tried it on for size. however, infinity was definitely off and i did the right thing in getting it CLA'd.

    i am only a year into rangefinder shooting and never really thought before about the RF on cameras getting tired. my Epson, it seems, was exhausted (so much for reselling it -- not that i'm thinking of it) as was my 35 Lux pre-asph and, seemingly, the 35 Asph i bought.

    in my quest to learn and become comfortable with my gear, i've taken far more shots than the average user (thank god for digital!) and my hand was obviously heavy as it went through surgery and rehab.... i will try to be more gentle this year.

    i honestly couldn't be more thrilled with the two lenses in the title of this thread and encourage anyone interested to go for it! the images are breathtaking and you will fall in love with the lenses -- and thusly be encouraged to use them often.

    i'm over moon and thank everyone for the help and encouragement to see these through.

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    Great news cam! Glad to see all is working well now (well, except for the poor Noct) - I am still loving the 35 Lux ASPH and just posted my review of it, using TWO copies of the lens. Like you, mine has such minimal focus shift it does not bother me now. I do believe each and every 35 Lux has focus shift from 2.8 through F5.6 but sometimes you may not even notice it.

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    Can I be lazy and ask if this is a problem that just affects the M8 annd lenses or is it a general digital thing.Shouldnt leica fix all these things for free?I mean to say,Cam,youve almost got me crying into the keyboard,what drama;glad its all ok now..............Neil.

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    Re: 75 Summilux and 35 Summilux Asph on the M8

    LOL, Neil, i am just a drama queen, i guess

    my M8 is perfect, but time will tell if the RF gets knocked out. it was the Epson that i nearly killed and, as i have stated, it was not always being used gently. nor were the lenses as i've had issues with proper control of my right arm/hand due to a shattered elbow that has healed somewhat off kilter.

    all my lenses (and cameras, for that matter) were bought used so there is no way to tell what would have been if i was the original owner. i do not fault Leica (nor Epson, nor Zeiss) or feel that they are responsible. if this happens to me again in a year, i'll probably feel quite different. i am hoping for the best, however, and will try to be much softer in my touch.. doucement!

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