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    Why I love Fedex.....

    ...they deliver nice presents (even if it was a present from me to me )

    50 lux pre-asph
    (of course if I am going to post a sample it will be at f1.4)
    Jack - it came in box with warranty cards and case and it literally looks brand new)

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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Terry,
    Enjoy this lens! It is one of the best.

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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Great!
    That's the look!

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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    starting to get a itch.
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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    starting to get a itch.
    I thought you already owned everything....

    I'm flying to Phoenix on Friday, hand delivery from B&H is an option but the tax is probably more than the shipping on anything you are itching for

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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    No i don't own the pre Asph , I have the ASPH 50mm which is a killer in sharpness and resoultion. I thought about the Pre though but I have a 35mm version IV cron and a 75 lux which most likely would give me the same look and feel. Also my issue is i don't use the 50mm often enough to have 2. Need to think ahead with FF hopefully coming and my 35mm maybe my lens cap than.
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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    ...they deliver nice presents (even if it was a present from me to me )

    50 lux pre-asph
    (of course if I am going to post a sample it will be at f1.4)
    Jack - it came in box with warranty cards and case and it literally looks brand new)

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    Way cool, you did good! (So tell the truth, do you think I over-sell the look? )
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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Jack,
    No oversell. This is the look that I simply love.

    Focus has not been hard. It is snowing in NY so I can't do the sidewalk test but I did focus on an object in my apartment and then took a shot at each stop and they seem to all be OK so far. I'll have to do my test with empty wine glasses and drunk people this weekend .

    Also, thanks for the instructions on loading the actions. I've now got them loaded up. I took the shot from above which had just a couple basic LR adjustments and ran the 3 PS actions. Obviously MUCH better (and yes I know the composition in this shot s**ks). I have lots of files to play with between now and printing time to get better on PS. Duh, I also focussed on actually reading your workflow notes from the workshop. That printout is very helpful! Thanks!

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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Terry:

    FWIW, I don't think that composition sucks totally, though it could use a tad bit more breathing room on the rh side... I do think it could use a bit of help in post though, to help it pop a bit... Gimme a few to add my rendition to this post to demonstrate --- this is something I will be teaching in Carmel

    Okay, here is my modified version:
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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Geez Jack almost the same as me. LOL
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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Pretty funny actually. We do think a lot alike. Scary
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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    I like it. Does this have your vignetting as one of the steps. I forget all of the steps you did when you were showing me but I have it as a goal to try my hardest to figure it out on my own. The composition issue I had was that the in focus flower was smack in the center.

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    For me worked the curves, burn, dodged, vignetting and a secret.
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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    For me worked the curves, burn, dodged, vignetting and a secret.
    OK That was weird. Your version wasn't showing up on my screen when I was writing to Jack and I was thinking to myself what is Guy talking about. Yes, they are really pretty close.

    All I can say is I have put together quite an amazing kit and thank both of you for the help (that is serious no grins). Now I have to actually work on my technique!!!!! I will call and thank Sean in the morning.

    I also have to pack up my 50 cron and send it for a vacation at the Leica hospital and spa.

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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    LOLOL! I was reworking mine while Guy posted and now they are a little bit more different --- I added some secret sauce too, just for fun.

    Terry: I used the vignette technique along with a dodge and burn technique I have not taught you yet. I'll also show you all in Carmel.
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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Terry:

    FWIW, I don't think that composition sucks totally, though it could use a tad bit more breathing room on the rh side... I do think it could use a bit of help in post though, to help it pop a bit... Gimme a few to add my rendition to this post to demonstrate --- this is something I will be teaching in Carmel

    Okay, here is my modified version:
    Jack

    This almost dream like rendering is why I think this lens is one to keep forever. I fear there is so much emphasis on contrast and resolution that what has traditionally separated Leica from the pack may get lost. This lens and the 35 V IV and even the older 50 Elmar are lenses which draw in that very special Leica way.

    Good advice for Terry to get this one and Terry, have fun with it. The possibilities are endless.

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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Quote Originally Posted by woodyspedden View Post
    Jack

    This almost dream like rendering is why I think this lens is one to keep forever. I fear there is so much emphasis on contrast and resolution that what has traditionally separated Leica from the pack may get lost. This lens and the 35 V IV and even the older 50 Elmar are lenses which draw in that very special Leica way.

    Good advice for Terry to get this one and Terry, have fun with it. The possibilities are endless.

    Woody Spedden
    Hi Woody,
    Workshops are both good and dangerous. I was a bit nervous about focussing wide open but at dinner we had a couple of summilux and noctis and I got a chance to try. Jack, told me which lens to look for (slide out hood). I could not fall asleep and started surfing and found a mint version at camera west. One quick call to Sean from the Moab Diner and I was all set.
    It is great to have such knowlegeable resources as friends!

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    Connections don't hurt either. LOL
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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Does it need to be coded?
    Hi there - I have my eye on one of these too.
    however, it isn't coded, and I certainly do want to use IR filters with it.
    So
    does it need to be coded, and if not, do I need to set it to IR on or off (should I buy it of course :-))

    thank you in advance

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    Probably don't need it coded since it is a 50mm but if you use a IR than put the IR on in menu. Might need a test to see how it is working but I am pretty sure it would be fine
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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Probably don't need it coded since it is a 50mm but if you use a IR than put the IR on in menu. Might need a test to see how it is working but I am pretty sure it would be fine
    HI Guy
    I've found a titanium one at an 'interesting' price - ex demo with full warranty . . . . what do you think?

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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    I would go for it . I have the asph and it is amazingly sharp. I have seen Jack's pre in action and wish i had it sometimes . Butter

    If it is around 1500 US than I would say that would be a good starting price for a unit with the sliding hood.

    BTW i shoot my 75 lux uncoded all the time with a IR filter on and IR on in the menu so that should be the same with a 50mm. If it was 35mm than maybe but 50 is safe area
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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I would go for it . I have the asph and it is amazingly sharp. I have seen Jack's pre in action and wish i had it sometimes . Butter

    If it is around 1500 US than I would say that would be a good starting price for a unit with the sliding hood.

    BTW i shoot my 75 lux uncoded all the time with a IR filter on and IR on in the menu so that should be the same with a 50mm. If it was 35mm than maybe but 50 is safe area

    Thank you Guy - I'll dither . . . it's more expensive than that, but not much, and yes, it does have the sliding hood, and it's titanium, and this is England, and it has the full Leica warranty.
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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Hi Jono,
    I'm not sure which version the Titanium one is. Mine was the last one before the asph. It has closer focus than the older ones. Also, as Guy said it has a built in slide out hood. Mine was listed as mint 10- and is coded. It was $1695. Don't know if it is the best deal but I could probably spend a lot of time not finding another!!

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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Hi Jono,
    I'm not sure which version the Titanium one is. Mine was the last one before the asph. It has closer focus than the older ones. Also, as Guy said it has a built in slide out hood. Mine was listed as mint 10- and is coded. It was $1695. Don't know if it is the best deal but I could probably spend a lot of time not finding another!!
    Hi Terry
    This is the same version (i.e. the type 3, last before aspheric). It's an 'ex demo' from a dealer and thus has a full Leica Warranty - of course, it's in the UK, so it's a little more expensive, but both the titanium, and the full warranty would make it a little more.

    Is yours coded?

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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Jono,

    Yes mine is coded. I will say last week when I had coded with filters, coded without filters and uncoded without filter (cv12). I screwed up forgetting about the menus way too often. Arrrgh!

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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    I don't use the IRUV filters and don't bother with codes. Ever.

    And my life is simple
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    Stay away magenta people, Jack is dangerous
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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    I don't use the IRUV filters and don't bother with codes. Ever.

    And my life is simple
    I take it you never shoot wider than 50mm, then? Or do you like using cornerfix?

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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Maggie O View Post
    I take it you never shoot wider than 50mm, then? Or do you like using cornerfix?
    Nope. One of my favorite lens is the 28 Cron and I also shoot with the 21 and CV12 a LOT...

    I don't need corner fix cause I don't get blue corners cause I don't use the filters

    As for the normal Leica falloff, I usually like it, or alternatively can easily correct it on LR/ACR if I want to get rid of it.

    You have seen all my images from Moab, which include shots with the 12, 21 and 28, NO filters, NO cornerfix used on any of those. Can you even tell?

    As for shots with people that wear black, I either correct it in post or convert those to B&W ()

    But IF I was going to shoot say a wedding for pay AND they wanted color photos, I would add the filters... Or more likely, shoot it with my Canons
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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Stay away magenta people, Jack is dangerous
    LOL - Jack - Guy
    I shot without filters until last May - but I thought that greens tended to be dodgy (too yellow) without (which isn't great for landscapes).
    One thing I do know for sure is that you either use them for everything . . or not at all (at least, if you're as forgetful as me).
    Which is why I don't have that nice 12CV

    Still thinking 'bout that lens, I'll try for a discount

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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Jono,

    I use the 12mm all the time without an IR-cut filter (and without any Cornerfix) and get great results.

    Cheers,

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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Same here just need to remember to turn off the IR menu option. Okay it's a pain
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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    You have seen all my images from Moab, which include shots with the 12, 21 and 28, NO filters, NO cornerfix used on any of those. Can you even tell?
    Well, that would explain the kinda funky reds you get in them! So, yeah, I can tell. All of my European photos were taken sans filters and I like the colors in them (especially after using Jamie's color profiles in C1), so even for me, it's not a problem.

    But hey, I'm lazy and it's nice to have a streamlined workflow, so coding and filters are cool with me.

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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Damn it I just found 2 of these and no money. Thinking of selling my ASPH coded
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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Maggie O View Post
    Well, that would explain the kinda funky reds you get in them! So, yeah, I can tell. All of my European photos were taken sans filters and I like the colors in them (especially after using Jamie's color profiles in C1), so even for me, it's not a problem.

    But hey, I'm lazy and it's nice to have a streamlined workflow, so coding and filters are cool with me.
    I'm not sure I understand what you mean about the funky reds. In Jack's stuff from Moab I didn't see that at all. Also when I shot the cv12 and had lens detection off my colors were true. I know when I shot the tulips that led off this thread, without the filter the flower colors were sort of wonky and hence my conversion to B&W.

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    The reds in Jack's photos seem to be more intense than most M8 photos I've seen and maybe have a little purple cast in them. That's what I meant by funky.

    There's a subtle difference between filtered and unfiltered colors, that to me, is obvious. I like both palates, so I don't see it as a problem anymore than Ektachrome is different than Kodachrome. I'd say that no filter is Kodachrome and filtered is Ektachrome, FWIW.

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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Maggie O View Post
    The reds in Jack's photos seem to be more intense than most M8 photos I've seen and maybe have a little purple cast in them. That's what I meant by funky.

    There's a subtle difference between filtered and unfiltered colors, that to me, is obvious. I like both palates, so I don't see it as a problem anymore than Ektachrome is different than Kodachrome. I'd say that no filter is Kodachrome and filtered is Ektachrome, FWIW.
    Hi Maggie and Terry (and anyone else who's listening, but I'm always more interested in the ladies!).
    As I say, I shot 'unfiltered' determinedly for 6 months, and in the end (and looking back on those photographs) I agree that the reds are 'funky' . . . but okay, but the greens are 'chlorotic' and not okay (at least, not for landscape).
    I'm much too scatterbrained to switch between lenses, so it's filters for me.

    I still can't decide about this lens though!

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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Each to their own I guess...

    I do not see much difference in the reds at all. In fact, I find the raw converter makes more of a difference than the filters on red; LR accentuates it more than C1. However, I actually prefer the slight yellow pop in vegetation greens when unfiltered, finding them far more accurate than the filtered ones, which I see as rather heavily skewed toward cyan...


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    That's just Crazy Talk™, Jack!

    Heheheheheheh.

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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Each to their own I guess...

    I do not see much difference in the reds at all. In fact, I find the raw converter makes more of a difference than the filters on red; LR accentuates it more than C1. However, I actually prefer the slight yellow pop in vegetation greens when unfiltered, finding them far more accurate than the filtered ones, which I see as rather heavily skewed toward cyan...


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    Indeed - each to his own - mind you, greens are my only real point of excellence, and a shoot of some huge Gunnera in a cornish garden this time last year was the last straw (the greens were horrible and unrecoverable).
    Whatever - your sphere of excellence is (amongst many other things) lenses, and I need to know whether I should buy this 50mm pre-ash titanium ex dem 50 'lux (with full warranty) . . . . . . . should I?
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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Jono:

    IMO, there is only a slight difference in the look between a Noct at f1.4 and the pre-Lux at f1.4; the Noct perhaps showing a bit more fall-off. Big difference in the ergonomics of use though...
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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
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    IMO, there is only a slight difference in the look between a Noct at f1.4 and the pre-Lux at f1.4; the Noct perhaps showing a bit more fall-off. Big difference in the ergonomics of use though...
    Hi Jack
    Thank you - presumably the focus shift on the pre-Lux is a little less er controversial than on the Noct?
    As you say about the ergonomics!
    My thinking is to get rid of the 'cron and the zeiss 50 and get the pre-lux to replace it.
    I have the 35 'cron and the 75 'cron in case I want the modern brutal look, so I feel that the 50 asph lux is probably unnecessary.
    Difficult decision!
    By the way, do you know any pros/cons of titanium lenses?

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    It's gone!
    funny really, I finally cracked, rang them with credit details, they couldn't find it, and it turned out they sold it three weeks ago!

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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Hi Jack
    Thank you - presumably the focus shift on the pre-Lux is a little less er controversial than on the Noct?
    SNIP
    By the way, do you know any pros/cons of titanium lenses?
    I do not notice ANY focus shift on my pre-Lux.

    I am pretty sure the Titanium lenses, like the chrome lenses, have all brass outer barrels while the black lenses are anodized aluminum outer barrels with brass inner sleeves and threads. Thus the main big difference is weight...

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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Since I seem to welcome new lenses into my bag by taking them out for dinner, tonight the new 50 lux went out to dinner.

    ISO 1250 f1.4 1/8s
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    We didn't drink quite as much as in some of my other lens tests but I was playing around with DOF
    ISO 1250 f1.4 1.8s
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    I'm on my "retired" ibook which doesn't have enough horsepower to run Lightroom so these are jpegs straight from the M8

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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Magic look, isn't it?
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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    I love it. In addition the place we were eating was very dark and I got good exposures without stupid low shutter speeds. I went out to shoot some stuff at the other extreme (stopped down mountain shots at sunrise). Can only have a look at the jpegs on this computer (Lightroom is so slow it isn't worth it). I can't believe I actually used this as my main computer until a year ago and now it feels like an ancient relic.

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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Time for a new MBP
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    Re: Why I love Fedex.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Time for a new MBP
    I almost ordered one the day we got back from Moab....but was hearing that Apple was gearing up for some February announcements (I know the iPhone software developers kit is coming this month). Then I saw this article.

    http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...refreshes.html

    I am fine working at home on my set up in NY. In AZ I'm on an old G4 iMac and decided not to travel this weekend with the MacBook I had in Moab because I was too lazy this week to clear out the full hard drive to make it more useable.

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