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    Nokton 50mm F1.1 vs Lux 50mm F1.4 Size Comparison

    A case of Gigantism!

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    Re: Nokton 50mm F1.1 vs Lux 50mm F1.4 Size Comparison

    Is it bigger than the noctilux? I still havent seen them side by side.

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    Re: Nokton 50mm F1.1 vs Lux 50mm F1.4 Size Comparison

    It is also similarly larger than Voigtlander's own 50mm f/1.5 Nokton, as you can see in this post.

    Amazing how much more glass it takes to squeeze out one more f/stop (more or less.)

    The 50/1.1's extra length also interests me, especially since the tapered rear section (held on by externally-visible screws) seems to be mostly empty except for the coupling cam. I wonder if Cosina designed this lens with extra depth so it might be seen eventually in mounts for (say) Nikon and M42 SLRs, as with some of their other lenses...?

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    Re: Nokton 50mm F1.1 vs Lux 50mm F1.4 Size Comparison

    Sorry, I don't have a direct comparison of the Nokton F1.1 with the Noctilux, Nor have I seen one posted anywhere that I can find.

    What I can tell you though, is that the Nokton takes the same filter size (58mm) as the F1 Noctilux and I have read that the lens design is a copy of that lens, but with less resultant light fall off and better contrast.

    No comparisons with the F0.95 Noct yet that I know of.

    Ranger, 1 F stop (more or less) is double the light exposure, hence 2x the light falling on the senor. The math can be derived from there.

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    Re: Nokton 50mm F1.1 vs Lux 50mm F1.4 Size Comparison

    Quote Originally Posted by mycroft View Post
    Ranger, 1 F stop (more or less) is double the light exposure, hence 2x the light falling on the senor. The math can be derived from there.
    I know, but the difference is still a bit striking when you're holding the actual hunks of glass and metal in your hand. Even though you intellectually understand the principles, you can't help thinking (or at least I can't) "Geez, one lousy f/number costs that much more in physical volume?"

    Coverage is a factor as well as aperture, of course. My Voigtlander 35/1.2 lens is nearly as big as the 50/1.1... whereas I've got a C-mount 36mm f1.1 lens that's small enough to lose in a coat pocket. I'm sure Voigtlander could have made all these lenses a lot smaller if they had been trying to cover only the extant digital imager sizes. But everybody's still dreaming of that putative 36x24mm "Leica M9", "Nikon SPd", "Epson R-D 2", "Sony Hexar RFd", or whatever...

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    Or maybe they are still shooting film...
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    Re: Nokton 50mm F1.1 vs Lux 50mm F1.4 Size Comparison

    So can someone tell me how much faster the .1 difference makes between the two lenses? In a scenario where I shoot at f/1.1 with the nokton at lets say 1/30, how much faster can I shoot at f/1 to get the same exposure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by impo View Post
    In a scenario where I shoot at f/1.1 with the nokton at lets say 1/30, how much faster can I shoot at f/1 to get the same exposure?
    Is it not more of a case of : if you are already underexposing parts of a contrasty image by a stop at f/1, then by f/1.1 you will be underexposed by 1,1/3 stops and f/1.2 by 1,2/3 stops etc. So the image quality will be very quickly degrading at each point due to the higher noise floor.

    ~1/3 stops : f/# 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.4 1.6 1.8 2 2.2 2.5 2.8 3.2 3.5 4 4.5 ...

    However if the lens is so big or too expensive that you leave it at home - then it's all academic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger 9 View Post
    Coverage is a factor as well as aperture, of course. ... I'm sure Voigtlander could have made all these lenses a lot smaller if they had been trying to cover only the extant digital imager sizes.
    That's an exceptionally valid point : smaller (or faster )
    I'm sure if the ultra-wide 15mm f/4.5 was joined by a 15mm f/2 that only covered a x1.3 or x1.6 crop sensor, it would be the f/2 that was flying off the shelves in greater numbers.
    If in the future FF sensors become the norm - the VC wins again, as it's customers then buy newer lenses - at that time.

    But for now 4/3* might represent a big enough opportunity/market to make smaller image circle lenses a valid proposition.
    (* VC being a paid up member of the micro4/3 circle - may give us a indication that such things are being considered)

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    Re: Nokton 50mm F1.1 vs Lux 50mm F1.4 Size Comparison

    I was somewhat shocked by the size of the Nokton 1.1 when it arrived from Robert White this morning.

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    Re: Nokton 50mm F1.1 vs Lux 50mm F1.4 Size Comparison

    Quote Originally Posted by gDallasK View Post
    I was somewhat shocked by the size of the Nokton 1.1 when it arrived from Robert White this morning.
    Could have been worse; see pics at top of this thread...

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