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    Some shots with the 21 and 24 Lux...

    This pair of AMAZING lenses arrived to me today from Leica. First impressions? WOW. Full review up in 7-10 days. These are mostly high ISO but look at that last one at 160 - 3D extreme!

    I will have shots from 1.4 to F11, low light, full light, details, crops, street shooting, etc - I wish I had a spare $12k...

    ISO 1250 - 24 at 1.4


    21 1.4


    24 1.4 - ISO 1250


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    Beautiful stuff, Steve. I love the look you get with these lenses. BTW that shot of your son taken with the 24 is killer!

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    Thanks Lloyd! I will be shooting these like a madman all next week. Can't wait.
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    Looking forward the results and your assessment. (Glad it's not me, I can't afford the temptation.)

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    Steve,

    Can you do me a favor and look and see if you get a color shift on the edges of the 21lux when you shoot wide open in daylight. It's happening for me on the lens I'm trying out and I'm not certain if it might be a reflection off of the filter onto the lens or something else.

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    Hey Kurt! Yea, Ill check it out. Hopefully today. Ill let you know.
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    Steve, I can't wait for the review and to see LOTS of pictures from you. Please take also as much film shots as possible.

    I agree with Loyd, your processing is grate.

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    i can't wait your review steve..

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    Re: Some shots with the 21 and 24 Lux...

    Arggghhh!!! This is not helping me with my quest to avoid buying a 24/1.4 at a time when a FF M9 might arrive soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Arggghhh!!! This is not helping me with my quest to avoid buying a 24/1.4 at a time when a FF M9 might arrive soon.
    Don't feel like the Lone Ranger, Graham. We're all suffering along with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevem8 View Post
    This pair of AMAZING lenses arrived to me today from Leica. First impressions? WOW. Full review up in 7-10 days. These are mostly high ISO but look at that last one at 160 - 3D extreme!

    I will have shots from 1.4 to F11, low light, full light, details, crops, street shooting, etc - I wish I had a spare $12k...

    ISO 1250 - 24 at 1.4


    21 1.4


    24 1.4 - ISO 1250


    24 1.4


    21 1.4

    I love these shots Steve

    However it is difficult to judge the lenses because of the (I assume added) vignetting.

    So I will just stick to saying I love the work. Very moody, arty etc

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    Thanks woody. My reviews will have plenty of out of camera files to check out w/no PP. These were just the first shots I took with them and wanted to do my usual PP work on them. Should be up in about a week.
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    Re: Some shots with the 21 and 24 Lux...

    Dude, have you asked Christian or Justin to let you keep them for an extra few weeks so that you can review them alongside the M9?

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    Re: Some shots with the 21 and 24 Lux...

    great- I am also awaiting the review.
    whats your opinion about the 24 vs 21 focal length on ff and about those 2 lenses on full frame overall?

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    Steve, hope your test will also cover how the 24mm lux feels and handles (size, weight) as compared to the Elmarit.
    24+50 lux asph could be a dream combo, but not even selling 24 Elmarit + Cron 28 would free up the funds to purchase the 24 lux.

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    [QUOTE=stevem8;126042]This pair of AMAZING lenses arrived to me today from Leica. First impressions? WOW. Full review up in 7-10 days. These are mostly high ISO but look at that last one at 160 - 3D extreme!

    I will have shots from 1.4 to F11, low light, full light, details, crops, street shooting, etc - I wish I had a spare $12k...

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    Hello stevem8,
    Indeed, these are AMAZING images. This is my favorite image. Best wishes, Leica 77

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    I'd be curious to see an evaluation of focus shift and as well full frame performance on a film M. A direct comparison of the Luxes to the equivalent Elmarit Asph FL's would also be of tremendous benefit. Nice work once again Steve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtKamka View Post
    Steve,

    Can you do me a favor and look and see if you get a color shift on the edges of the 21lux when you shoot wide open in daylight. It's happening for me on the lens I'm trying out and I'm not certain if it might be a reflection off of the filter onto the lens or something else.

    Kurt
    Kurt,
    I have the 21 on the M8.2 and I have color shifts too. Red mostly, in the upper corners in the sky. I'd like to hear if you figure this out. Leica said I'd have to send in both camera and lens for them to test so I haven't done that yet, but I guess it's not just me.
    Thanks!

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    My 24 review will be up tomorrow and my 21 review a few days later. I love the 24. Wow. What a lens.
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    Just posted my full review of the 24!

    http://www.stevehuffphotos.com/Steve...NS_REVIEW.html

    I did not want to post a link to this or violate any rules, but feel this is a review many will want to see
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    Very nice review, Steve. Certainly makes me wish I had $6K laying around.

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    Re: Some shots with the 21 and 24 Lux...

    Great review Steve. It is a total dream lens -- the only current Leica lens that I don't have that I would absolutely love to -- the 50/.95 has no interest for me, but this 24/1.4 would be fantastic. Did you get a chance to shoot it on film? I would be curious to hear how it does on full frame, since that is generally what I prefer to shoot...
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    Thanks guys. No I did not get to shoot it on film, but hopefully will test it on a FF soon
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    I enjoyed the review. That, and learning that you like slow cars and fast lenses ....

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    BTW, I just added a "companion" to the review with a few full size, untouched, out of camera shots to download:

    http://www.stevehuffphotos.com/Steve...COMPANION.html

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    Re: Some shots with the 21 and 24 Lux...

    Thanks Steve, excellent review.

    I've been working with the 24/1.4 for some months now and agree that it is a stunning performer. Once you put it on the M you never want to take it off. I have to force myself to use the 28/2 ASPH when that would be a more appropriate focal length.

    Leica continues to amaze.

    Now if that darned lotto chick would just pick my numbers, a new M9 (hopefully with higher ISO ability) and 0.95 Nocti would make the M stand for ... "Master Of The Night".

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Thanks Steve, excellent review.

    I've been working with the 24/1.4 for some months now and agree that it is a stunning performer. Once you put it on the M you never want to take it off. I have to force myself to use the 28/2 ASPH when that would be a more appropriate focal length.

    Leica continues to amaze.

    Now if that darned lotto chick would just pick my numbers, a new M9 (hopefully with higher ISO ability) and 0.95 Nocti would make the M stand for ... "Master Of The Night".
    Are you happy with your choice between 21 and 24lux?
    And how usefull would either be on full frame? ( I mean since on M8 the 24 is a 32 FOV so on full frame your 28 or 35 would replace the 24lux and the 24 would become real wide angle again)
    On the M8 I would go for the 24lux if I had to choose between it and the 21.
    But on full frame I am still so undecided which one I would prefer and how much the speed is needed.

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    Re: Some shots with the 21 and 24 Lux...

    On full frame I think 21 is quite wide...especially for 1.4. I can see it being useful in certain journalistic situations, but I think the 24mm f/1.4 is more useful as a general purpose wide angle. It is quite wide, but does not have to look like a super wide all the time, and the speed allows it to be used for isolating the subject a bit. I definitely think it is still in the daily use category. For me anyway, 21 is a bit wider than I would use daily. When I owned both the 21mm and the 25mm biogons for the M, I find out pretty quickly that I always reached for the 25mm. I sold the 21 and did not look back. I still use the 25mm all the time.
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    Re: Some shots with the 21 and 24 Lux...

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    On full frame I think 21 is quite wide...especially for 1.4. I can see it being useful in certain journalistic situations, but I think the 24mm f/1.4 is more useful as a general purpose wide angle. It is quite wide, but does not have to look like a super wide all the time, and the speed allows it to be used for isolating the subject a bit. I definitely think it is still in the daily use category. For me anyway, 21 is a bit wider than I would use daily. When I owned both the 21mm and the 25mm biogons for the M, I find out pretty quickly that I always reached for the 25mm. I sold the 21 and did not look back. I still use the 25mm all the time.
    My experiences exactly Stuart. I'm sure the 21 is great, but when I owned one before, I rarely used it compared to the other lenses.

    On a M8 you don't need a finder with the 24, and for my work using a finder never worked out all that well (to slow for wedding stuff in low light) I do have a 24 finder from years ago, and I'll need it when using the 24 on a full frame M9 (fingers and toes crossed), so I will keep one M8 to use the 24 in certain shooting conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    Are you happy with your choice between 21 and 24lux?
    And how useful would either be on full frame? ( I mean since on M8 the 24 is a 32 FOV so on full frame your 28 or 35 would replace the 24lux and the 24 would become real wide angle again)
    On the M8 I would go for the 24lux if I had to choose between it and the 21.
    But on full frame I am still so undecided which one I would prefer and how much the speed is needed.
    See my post in response to Stuart immediately below.

    21 is nice no doubt, but less useful for me at that price point. I'd add a 18/3.8 ASPH for a really wide lens and really separate it from the 24 ... the 18 may be a bit slow, but when I'm that wide I'm usually not shooting people in low light ... more like travel stuff and more stationary subjects in a bit better light. On a M8 the 18 would is the equivalent of a 24mm so I could use my 24 finder on the M8.

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    Re: Some shots with the 21 and 24 Lux...

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffreytotaro View Post
    Kurt,
    I have the 21 on the M8.2 and I have color shifts too. Red mostly, in the upper corners in the sky. I'd like to hear if you figure this out. Leica said I'd have to send in both camera and lens for them to test so I haven't done that yet, but I guess it's not just me.
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    Re: Some shots with the 21 and 24 Lux...

    Here are some images for those of you wanting to see 21 lux on FF (not from the M9, though )... One day I think is too wide and another day I'm in love with it... Can't make up my mid...






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    Quote Originally Posted by Riccis View Post
    Here are some images for those of you wanting to see 21 lux on FF (not from the M9, though )... One day I think is too wide and another day I'm in love with it... Can't make up my mid...
    From what I see here, I'm in love with it!

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    Here are some images for those of you wanting to see 21 lux on FF (not from the M9, though )... One day I think is too wide and another day I'm in love with it... Can't make up my mid...





    Looks gorgeous on FF. These film shots are beautiful!
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    Thanks Riccis, I agree with Steve -- looks great on film.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevem8 View Post
    Looks gorgeous on FF. These film shots are beautiful!
    Wonderful Steve,

    I love each of these images

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    Re: Some shots with the 21 and 24 Lux...

    great images Steve. And thank you for the comments in favour of the 24mm Lux.
    I believe I will wait fir the M9 and shoot for a while with my slower 21 and 24mm lenses and then see if I will exchange one of them for a lux.
    I still think the 2 lenses are more usefull on slight crop vs. on full frame, where the are superwides and f1.4 might not be needed. But then again it could be interesting to have shallow DOF combined with wide angle FOV.
    I hope to see more samples here-thanks for posting. Tom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riccis View Post
    ... One day I think is too wide and another day I'm in love with it... Can't make up my mid...
    You've gotta keep it!

    This is my last season with the Canon 1Ds III + Zeiss 17-35 and 21mm FF is very useful for wedding work IMHO (not to mention a host of other types of photography).

    Admittedly, I will probably miss the 17mm focal length when the time comes but I think 21mm will more than suffice once I'm "all Leica".


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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffwros View Post
    You've gotta keep it!

    This is my last season with the Canon 1Ds III + Zeiss 17-35 and 21mm FF is very useful for wedding work IMHO (not to mention a host of other types of photography).

    Admittedly, I will probably miss the 17mm focal length when the time comes but I think 21mm will more than suffice once I'm "all Leica".

    Congrats on finally going all Leica!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffwros View Post
    You've gotta keep it!

    This is my last season with the Canon 1Ds III + Zeiss 17-35 and 21mm FF is very useful for wedding work IMHO (not to mention a host of other types of photography).

    Admittedly, I will probably miss the 17mm focal length when the time comes but I think 21mm will more than suffice once I'm "all Leica".

    My hero!

    Do share your experiences. I would dearly like to go all M for my wedding work eventually. I've been increasing it's use progressively, but still rely on DSLRs for most of the "must haves".

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    Marc - You can definitely rely on your Ms for those "must have" images... Just jump in, the water is great

    BTW, my definition of a "must have" is every single image that I deliver to my clients.

    Cheers,

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    Just posted my 21 Lux review. A bit shorter due to the fact it is equally as good as the 24, just wider!



    In a perfect world I would own both lenses!

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    Re: Some shots with the 21 and 24 Lux...

    Steve, thanks for those reviews. The numbers of the 21 design are "better" than the 24 so I was a bit disappointed that you found the 24 sharper in the test. I also liked the video of the lenses and like the 24 much more from them. It was good to see the processed pictures from you because I know your style and it was grate to see how you used these lenses.

    I still think I will get the 21 at some point. I am really into wa's.

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    Thanks Gero. Both are stellar and if I was a WA guy, and had the money, both would be mine. You can not go wrong with EITHER lens if you want the ultimate WA for your Leica.
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    Re: Some shots with the 21 and 24 Lux...

    Now since we know the M9 does not include frames for 24mm this means that we have to use an external viewfinder for each lens, 21 and 24mm.
    Doesnt kae the decision easier.

    My heart says 21mm, also looking at the images in this thread here. I first have to recover from cost for the M9 anyways...

    Any people who would like to post some smaples from 21/24 lux on M9??? Please

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    Re: Some shots with the 21 and 24 Lux...

    I still wonder which focal length and speed makes sense.
    So Marc says for the M8 24/1.4 is more usefull, and for the M8 18mm/3.4 would be fast enough. But 18mm on the M8 is like 24mm on the M9. So if the 18/3.4 is fast enough on the M8 than the 24/2.8 should be fast enough on the M9
    OK, I know in the end its a matter of taste and everybody has to find out.
    My tendancy fot the M9 would be towards the 24 right now, even though today I use 21 more often on fullframe, but not so much in situations where I would need/use f1.4
    Also subject isolation (which would be one of the reasons for me) should be even harder with 21 vs 24mm.

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    Re: Some shots with the 21 and 24 Lux...

    Quote Originally Posted by KurtKamka View Post
    Steve,

    Can you do me a favor and look and see if you get a color shift on the edges of the 21lux when you shoot wide open in daylight. It's happening for me on the lens I'm trying out and I'm not certain if it might be a reflection off of the filter onto the lens or something else.

    Kurt
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    You should read the posts at the LUF on certain lenses causing a red cast on the left side of the frame.. Diglloyd shows this in his M9 review and it is happening with lens designs that are asymetrical . I will try some shots with the 21 and 24 lux over the weekend.

    It looks for example that the new 18/3.8 will be a problem but the WATE is OK .

    Both 1.4 lenses are real keepers for available light work. I do still like the 2.8 asph versions though for all around performance.

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