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    why are people so sure of an m9?

    i see people talking about it as if it was announced or something. last i checked, leica announced NOTHING about an m9 in their recent press releases.

    what did i miss?

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    Re: why are people so sure of an m9?

    the kool-aid?

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    It seems that the kool-aid punch-bowel has been passed around.
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    Re: why are people so sure of an m9?

    Because if we talk about it enough, collectively our mental power will make it so All I know is, if it doesn't happen, this board needs to start a 1-800 line with trained therapists to talk us down from the roof

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    Re: why are people so sure of an m9?

    Quote Originally Posted by drazin View Post
    i see people talking about it as if it was announced or something. last i checked, leica announced NOTHING about an m9 in their recent press releases.
    From what I read on the other thread, the initial inspiration seems to have come from dealers who are willing to accept deposits on something about which they won't give any details, but which may be coming in September or October.

    The rest of the blanks seem to have been filled in via a combination of logical extension of current product lines (e.g. S2), analysis of what features would be the most marketable, plain old wishful thinking, and some tantalizing hints from people who enjoy giving the impression of knowing something but won't say specifically what, or how they know. In other words, the classic mix that makes the photo-rumor game fun!

    All I can think is that come September, if it turns out that what the dealers who have been taking deposits have to reveal is nothing beyond an M8.2 in a different finish, or one with a modest pixel-count upgrade, I suspect that they're going to be processing a lot of cancellations!


    [Or hey, I just thought of this -- what if the "M9" consists solely of an M8 with HD video added? Wouldn't that just thrill the folks in Leica land?)

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    Re: why are people so sure of an m9?

    Quote Originally Posted by drazin View Post
    i see people talking about it as if it was announced or something. last i checked, leica announced NOTHING about an m9 in their recent press releases.

    what did i miss?
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    Re: why are people so sure of an m9?

    Quote Originally Posted by doug View Post
    If I told you I'd have to shoot you
    With a M9?

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    Don't bother waiting for the M9; it's not all that great. The next one that'll really be worth having will be the M10.1. The whole M11 series will be basically just a rehash of that, but the M12 will be really hot, especially after the 12.3 firmware update.

    Of course I can't give you any details or tell you how I know this...

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    Re: why are people so sure of an m9?

    From what I read on the other thread, the initial inspiration seems to have come from dealers who are willing to accept deposits on something about which they won't give any details, but which may be coming in September or October.


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    Re: why are people so sure of an m9?

    The 100th monkey is why.....

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    Re: why are people so sure of an m9?

    I just have a feeling

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    Re: why are people so sure of an m9?

    I guess it doesn't help that they specifically made a "can a Full Frame sensor fit in a M8" comment in the LUF mass email sent today...
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    Re: why are people so sure of an m9?

    The truth is out there

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    Re: why are people so sure of an m9?

    I suspect the whole rumour was started by people who wanted to buy second-hand M8s at lower prices.

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    Re: why are people so sure of an m9?

    It's because if you want to launch a product and have quantities available soon after the announcement, then you need to inform your distributors about your plans. These distributors in turn inform the dealers, "we have X coming out for X price, how many do you want?". The dealers are supposed to keep quiet, but some might tell their friends or loyal customers, hoping that if they give them a tidbit of information, they will stick with that dealer or even preorder. This seems to be what has happened. Of course, it could all be a misunderstanding, and it could be the new "M9 flash unit" for the S2. 5500 euros sounds about right for that...
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    If you want to launch a product and have quantities available soon after the announcement, you also have to complete your engineering, field testing, component orders, and initial manufacturing run-up months before the planned release date. You have to write and print instruction manuals and update software code strings. You have to train distributors and service technicians. You have to design catalogs, brochures, ads, and web pages. And you have to provide ad layouts and press kits to print publications that have deadlines months in advance of the cover date. All these can produce leaks... and usually do, nondisclosure agreements and embargoes notwithstanding.

    So far, there's no evidence of any of this happening with the "M9", except for one solitary code string (which well could have been speculative) in a non-Leica-affiliated software product.

    So if Leica really is going to ship a major new product in late September or early October, they not only have been doing a better job of secret-keeping than Albus Dumbledore, but they must be planning on introducing it without any advertising or promotion, and they must have whittled it out of native hardwood to avoid having to order any third-party components.

    ...All of which I could believe, if it weren't so opposite of the way they handled the launch of the S2, which was announced, discussed and touted long, long before it was actually available.

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    Re: why are people so sure of an m9?

    There is indeed an announcement on 9/9, our rep was in today and he will be in Dallas for the event.

    What will be announced could be an M9, or it could be something else.

    But such an announcement doesn't necessarily mean whatever it is will be 'shipping in late Sept. early Oct.'

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    Re: why are people so sure of an m9?

    Well, I cannot talk for others but I first read from a guy on a forum who said it would be announced soon but available fall 2010. I thought, why not, but just another rumor.
    Then another came a few weeks later and said "announced september 2009, available immediately".
    I did not believe it.

    But then, Chasseur d'Images, the leading photographic journal in France announced the same. And they are usually quite good with such infos.
    As I know the guys working there, I asked for confirmation and they told me "99% sure".

    Then, as some of you know, a French reseller put on his website that he is accepting pre-order (no deposit) for a 18 Mpix, 5500 FF M9 available in september.

    I also know this guy quite well. He found me a 280/4 like new but much cheaper when I asked for one.
    He got me one of the first DMR in France even when I entered the waiting list quite late.
    And he got me an M8 the first day it was available worldwide.
    He is nice, competent, trustable with a small shop, not to kind looking for buzz or running a scam.

    So of course, an error is still possible and I'll believe in the M9 when I see it but so far, some of the people I trust most to have reliable informations confirm the rumor.

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    Well on 9/09/09 at 9am we will ALL know! Not long now guys!
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    Re: why are people so sure of an m9?

    I think the real kicker will be finding out when a new M will actually hit the streets. It's one thing to announce but another to deliver (I'm in software, we're experts at this ).

    If it's what has been rumoured (i.e. FF & no UV/IR - 18mp is nice too), and it will ship before then end of 2009 then I've got cash waiting to go Leica's way for a new camera. If it's not going to ship until 2010 then my money is more likely to go towards glass, but probably not new. In one case Leica sees my cash (albeit via the dealer), but the other might mean that a private individual or a dealer only would see it.
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    Well on 9/09/09 at 9am we will ALL know!
    9 am in what time zone? I need to know so I can set the alarm early if necessary.

    If the rumors turn out to be true, I'll want to start digesting the details immediately, since I'm interested in camera technology and how they solved the problems of M flange distances on a 36x24 sensor should be technologically fascinating.

    And if the rumors turn out to be rumors, I'll want to be up early so I can start saying "Neener, neener" to you guys...


    [Yes, if the rumors turn out to be true, you can say "Neener, neener" to me, too. I'll be as happy as anyone if Leica can pull this off, even though there's no way I'll ever be able to afford one of these things.]

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    Re: why are people so sure of an m9?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger 9 View Post
    ...I'm interested in camera technology and how they solved the problems of M flange distances on a 36x24 sensor should be technologically fascinating.
    It's technology developed for the S2. Kodak figured out how to sandwich the IR filter between the sensor and the microlenses, hence light reaching the IR filter is more perpendicular to the sensor plane.

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    Golly, an American company figuring out something besides how to pay its CEO a bigger bonus? What a concept!

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    Re: why are people so sure of an m9?

    Now now. Quick - name an American company that pays their CEO only a dollar salary, and donates his stock options to two company foundations.

    First one with the right answer gets a free Leica poster.

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    Re: why are people so sure of an m9?

    $1 CEOs are:

    Steve Jobs
    Google's top two
    the interim head of AIG

    as for the foundations for options ?????

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