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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Not a bad thought Jono is that zeiss 1.5 i have seen some images from it and really like it . Could you start a thread on it and post a few images. Maybe trade my Lux for the Cron. The Cron i think may fit me better. I rarely shoot at 1.4. I'm the worst i have gone back and forth on this 3 times in the same damn thread. You wonder why i buy all these lenses, I'm a nut case
    Hi Guy
    I'm in Holland at the moment, and don't have it with me, but I'll be back over the weekend and see if I can knock some shots together and start a thread.

    I didn't mean to get it (I know that sounds crazy!) but it was part of a deal I did with Vieri - now I'm really pleased to have it.

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    I just looked on e-bay and there is a CRON too. waiting for Jack to wake up and talk me out of this one. i am really a sick person

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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post

    Remember that song by Neil Young the needle and the damage done. hello were is the syringe, I need a leica fix
    But there'll only be tracks in your bank balance Guy.
    Just buy it . . . . just buy it . . . . . just buy it . . .

    you know you're going to, so why not get over it, and then you can really concentrate on whether you want one of those nice Ziess softars

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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    Damn Jono your worse than me. LOL

    Are they the new Sonnars
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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Damn Jono your worse than me. LOL

    Are they the new Sonnars
    LOL - no, I'm trying to ensure that you stay worse than me!

    here is the nice 50mm (really is small too)

    50 sonnar at robert white

    I think there are only two of them, he other being an 85mm f2:

    85 sonnar at robert white

    Perhaps you should have one of these to add to your summarit 90mm test? It seems only sensible that you should.

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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    Yes Tony at Popflash has them for 980 dollars. Well i am going to test some more today and see what comes in my head. I need to send the Summarit and cron back tomorrow than going up North this weekend to a little town called St John's for the day and i may hit the slopes and shoot snowboarders, my daughter and friends. That could be fun with a M8.

    need to get out and shoot , too quiet this time of year
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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    I did a ton of rationalizing when I bought the summicron. I figured that 75mm was my favorite focal length in the M series after 35mm, and I left the 75 lux behind sometimes. I thought I would bring the summicron with me more often because it was smaller and lighter. But looking back on it, the one I leave behind is the summicron, not the summilux. I used the summicron a lot when I first bought it, but it is not THAT much smaller than the summilux, and it is still a fairly big and heavy lens for the M system. For some reason mine does not focus as well on my M8 as the summilux does, so that was the final straw for me. Now it just sits at home and I bring the summilux everywhere. Everything else aside, that is the true measure of a lens...the best one is the one you always are reaching for. For me those are the 35mm summilux ASPH, the 75 lux, the 110 planar and the 28-90mm f/2.8-4.5.
    So Guy, if you are really interested in the summicron, let me know. I will probably sell mine when I get back to the US (Sunday). It is coded and in great shape with 49mm IR filter.

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    Thanks Stuart still banging my head around on this one. See i need to stop getting loaners from Leica to test. Every time i do this , i buy something. Must be in there evil plan. LOL
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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    Guy,
    It is your kit and your bank account, so all of our comments come second. Stuart makes a good point about the sizes of the Lux versus the Cron....not all that different. Your Lux will give you something neither the Cron nor the Summarit can wide open, yet still deliver what you need more stopped down. Lot to be said for that.

    As I had commented separately, if I did not have the Nocti, I would prefer having the 75 Lux for that length, but since I have the Nocti, the 75 Cron fills that part of the bag for my needs. But that is me and how I shoot....not the same for you most likely.

    If you have some time left today, just go shoot both for the fun, and not just the testing. That may help you sort out the focus, speed, look thing in a different way. I think you have already proven to yourself that all three are very capable and deliver excellent images. How they work for you in your more normal shooting should be the other key element. If the focus throw and such of the Cron is not comfortable for you, it will not be a good choice.

    Sorry, Stuart, not trying to kill a possible Cron sale to Guy, as you know. I agree with your comments, and think that whatever feels best and gets used most is what counts, and not to get hung up on testing things so much. All are excellent imagers.

    So, Guy, please do stop banging your head for a bit.....it screws up your focus ;-) Go enjoy some casual shooting with the lenses while you have them for a bit. I love seeing those kinds of shots myself, as they represent how folks actually use the lenses, and not so much about which one has some edge little edge over the other. You have already demonstrated that in your tests. Go do a few "street" portraits or something, and see if the bokeh really is noticed, or if the Cron is harder to focus than the Lux, or if there really is THAT much of a difference in weight and feel while shooting.

    Hoping you have some fun with these while you have them. You can always buy a Cron or Summarit after you think on it a bit more, but that Lux is going to be harder to find.

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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    Yea i am going to run out here in a bit and go goof off
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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    No worries LJ. I agree with you. I am sure I will not have difficulty finding a buyer, but if Guy is planning on buying, I would rather sell to him because I trust him. But I am not trying to talk you into it Guy! The best thing to do is what LJ said...shoot them both and see what you prefer. I thought I needed two, and it turned out that I only used one...you will probably have the same reaction. Just choose the one that you prefer to use and whose results you prefer, because that is the greatest difference. The best one is the one that makes the best pictures for you.

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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    Curve ball 75 lux at 1.4 and a 50 lux asph at 1.4
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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    Okay one more time 75 Lux at 1.4 and the Cron at F2
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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    Guess who is much sharper wide open.
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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    This time i nailed both in sharpness
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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    Anybody wanna buy a Lux
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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    Will you tell us? I can't really tell from those size jpg's. The 50 lux seems to have the most contrast.

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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    The 50 has a little more than the 75mm lux. The damn Cron is sharp at f2 and is better than the 75 lux at f2
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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    I'd suggest shooting them both in poor, indoor lighting and on the street at night too, just to get the feel for them in that situation.
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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    The 50lux certainly knows how to sing for its supper.

    Just be comfortable in knowing that there are no wrong answers, Guy, in whichever you choose. It's a difficult decision because all of the options are excellent.

    As LJ was saying earlier, the summarits are a game changer for Leica. Excellent $1500 Leica primes are a gift for anyone looking to build a starter M8 kit that is in no way a beginner kit.

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    In case you are wondering about the size
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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    Not sure everyone is going to like my results the Summarit just rips them all apart. Every test i have run even on different bodies the same result at 2.5 the Summarit wins the sharpness battle.
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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    given the lengths Lecia went to to develop the apochromat, which is by design supposed to accurately focus wavelengths across the spectrum, one has to wonder what you are getting for the extra dough over the summarit, eh?
    would you even detect chromatic mis-focus in your tests?
    maybe the summarit starts to fall apart for full frame use?

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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    Alright i actually ran this test twice on different subject checking focus every time and identical results and it follows the pattern we have been seeing the Lux comes to life at f4 . The Cron is nice at F2 but at 2.5 the edge goes to the summarit. Now there is no sharpening and reason we are seeing what we are..Here is the full image and the Yellow is the approximate crop, Than i will put the Lux 1.4 shot in this farme also
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    F2 Lux and Cron
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    2.5 Lux, Cron and Summarit
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    2.8 Lux, Cron and Summarit
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    F4 Lux, Cron and Summarit
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    f56 Lux, Cron and Summarit
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    Part 2 Different scene with the Lux 14
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    F2 Lux and Cron
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    F2.5 Lux and Cron and Summarit
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    F2.8 Lux and Cron and Summarit
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    Last one F4 Lux and Cron and Summarit
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    Whew that is enough for now, if you want corners than i will do those in the morning.
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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    Guy:

    I don't know if the Summarit is sharper than the Summicron or if the Summarit just has more contrast on the coarser detail. Can we get a crop in on the roof tiles to see if either lens picks up the detail in the fine surface textures of the tiles?

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    75 cron at 2.5 and 75 summarit at 2.5
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    Summarit Robert has got it slightly
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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    The Cron still shows nicer bo-ke. I am surprised that the Cron isn't sharper, to be honest. If your fingers are not falling off yet, what about a crop of all three at f/2.5 of the bark of that little plant in the middle? There is a big difference going on in the bark.
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    Your killing me Carsten. LOL
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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    Don't do it if you don't want to. I am super-curious though. The 75 was always the hardest choice for me. Maybe I'll end up with two or three.
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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    Lux , Cron and Summarit at 2.5 . Look at the Ca in the Summarit on the white concrete stop
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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    Pretty freaking amazing
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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    I don't want to be troublesome, but I suspect that you missed focus with the summilux in this test (and this test only). It is not that blurry in normal use at 2.5...your other setups show it sharper than this at f/1.4.

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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    Worse than amazing. There is something wrong with that Lux. You are on a tripod, right? Even the Cron looks much too soft. Were you focus-bracketing?
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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Pretty freaking amazing
    I think the focus is off with the Summilux and the Summicron on that last set.

    It may also mean that there is a focus shift on the Summilux and Summicron at the f2.5 aperture. The only way to tell for sure is to focus bracket.
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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    Maybe the last test but the rocks too are soft and i know i have a good 75 lux. The issue i think too is we normally put a little sharpening on and being naked it's soft but you maybe right on the last one but honestly at a distance which i was about 100 ft . thing is I can't find a different focus point either. If it missed where is it
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    The Cron is dead on. Honestly every series i did through this whole thread is the same pattern or really close to it .
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

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    It is certainly possible i have a focus shift on the Lux , we seen that before in the tests around F2 and 2.5
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    Re: Leica 75mm Trio Comparision Lux,Cron,Summarit

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    The Cron is dead on. Honestly every series i did through this whole thread is the same pattern or really close to it .
    The Cron is front focused. Look at the white curbs and work towards the camera. The pavement will probably get sharper as it gets closer to the camera. I can only see the curbs in your crop, so I am just guessing on this.

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