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    Quadra Updated!

    I just wanted to let the forum know that Elinchrom has recently upgraded the popular Quadra:

    http://elinchrom.com/products.php?p_id=36#content

    New features include:

    - Normal and Speed-Sync Mode.
    From Elinchrom: The latest EL-Skyport Transmitter SPEED offers the "SPEED SYNC" mode for digital SLR cameras up to 1/250 s. SLR cameras with large chip system did not allow faster sync speeds than a 1/160 s, the latest EL-Skyport Transmitter Speed offer the "SPEED Sync" mode settings, which have been already available for all Quadra EL-Skyport "built-in" Receiver modules.

    - Brighter LED's (easier to see outdoors)
    - RX computer control (very cool!)

    These features are only available on the new Ranger RX Quadra AS version. Elinchrom says that it'll be available soon.

    Cheers,
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    Re: Quadra Updated!

    Thanks Derek not sure but is there actually a new Skyport transmitter. I can't seem to find data specifically for it and will it handle 1/1600 of a second shutters from Phase is the real question. Most I could get out of the old one is 1/800 with the Skyport on my existing Quadra
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    Has the recycle time been improved too? It appears the spec for the old pack was 2.2 seconds at full power and the new is spec'd at a blazing 1/2 sec at full power (a spec I find difficult to believe) ???
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    Hello Jack and Guy,
    I thought the remark regarding the Skyport SPEED was interesting, hopefully Elinchrom will release more information about this in the near future. I'll be sure too post word here as soon as I learn what the deal is.

    I haven't actually gotten my hands on the new Quadra yet, but as far as I know the recycle time has not been changed.

    Cheers,
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    Re: Quadra Updated!

    Quote Originally Posted by DerekJ View Post
    Hello Jack and Guy,
    I thought the remark regarding the Skyport SPEED was interesting, hopefully Elinchrom will release more information about this in the near future. I'll be sure too post word here as soon as I learn what the deal is.

    I haven't actually gotten my hands on the new Quadra yet, but as far as I know the recycle time has not been changed.

    Cheers,
    Derek
    Recycle speed is the same. The spec's on the B&H site are incorrect ... and I told them so.

    Wireless sync speed looks to have improved with the new RX AS Skyport. Which is probably why the individual previous version of the Skyport isn't available.

    What isn't clear is whether the new Skyport will work with older Quadra packs ... this from the Elimchrom site makes it seem they will work but starting when?:

    " ... the latest EL-Skyport Transmitter Speed offer the "SPEED Sync" mode settings, which have been already available for all Quadra EL-Skyport "built-in" Receiver modules."

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    Re: Quadra Updated!

    Problem with the SPEED transmitter (or at least the one they were shipping until now) is that you can't control groups or ratios, it's a simple on or off trigger.
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    Hmmm I can control power and modeling lamp on 4 channels. Modeling light is on/off but I can lower or raise power on any head on any channel. I have my three monolights on channel 1,2,3 and just by switching channel on transmitter I can adjust power output
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Hmmm I can control power and modeling lamp on 4 channels. Modeling light is on/off but I can lower or raise power on any head on any channel. I have my three monolights on channel 1,2,3 and just by switching channel on transmitter I can adjust power output
    Very confusing.

    Can you control power levels of your Quadra with the current Skyport Guy?

    Are your Monos RX models?

    The new Quadra is an RX.

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    Re: Quadra Updated!

    Guy, I'm talking about the new SPEED transmitter, do you have that one?
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    Re: Quadra Updated!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    Guy, I'm talking about the new SPEED transmitter, do you have that one?
    Ben,

    What is a "speed" transmitter? I can't find it on the Elinchrom site.

    This is the stock Skyport that comes with the current Quadra AS (lifted from their web site):

    EL-Skyport Transmitter
    This module controls basic functions of an Elinchrom RX unit to which a Transceiver RX 19353 is attached. To control all RX functions the USB Transceiver RX 19354 and the latest EL Skyport software is required which also offers additional features such as “strobing”. The Transmitter synchronises remote flash units when each is fitted with either a “Universal” (fitting all flash brands) or the Transceiver RX (fitting Style RX, Digital RX and Ranger RX units) or units with EL-Skyport Tranceiver inside (BXRi 250/500 & Ranger Quadra AS). The RX Transceiver also provides control over the power and modelling lamp of all Elinchrom RX flash units, directly from the Skyport Transmitter.

    Compatible with BXRi 250 / 500 and Ranger Quadra AS with "onboard" EL Skyport Tranceiver.

    Marc

    I get the first set today and I'll see if the stock Skyport controls Quadra power levels from the camera. Hope so.



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    Universal Skyport (existing ones) controls power up/down on the Quadra from the hotshoe - and will turn the modeling light(s) on/off. Same as it does for the BXRIs. Works fine. The upcoming Skyport Trx has a locking shoe mount, larger buttons, a different side slide switch and a power-on LED

    Still not 100% clear on what the new 'Speed' Trx (announced with the new DLite ITs) actually does/doesn't do other than trigger the lights and MAYBE have less latency so you can maybe get another hair of sync speed out of it? My Skyport shaves about 1/50th off my max sync. The Speed unit comes across as Skyport Trx Lite (e.g. Profoto Air Sync vs full Air) for simple triggering only -- the 'speed' part is still a head-scratcher.

    They need to clean up the marketing collateral.

    They have a myriad of recycle times on the 'new' RX in the specs and some that look impressive but make NO mention of such a large bragging point (much short recycle vs the Mark I) in the collateral, focusing instead on RX USB control (for a field/strobist pack?) and wireless firmware updating ability. My guess is given that and the fact is same batteries, cables, heads and pack guts, the specs need to cleaned up.

    This last one (wireless updating) is just odd to spend R&D on. Is someone's going to update their Quadra firmware from their laptop standing in the parking lot of a church or in a field somewhere?. Given that it might be 1/year and you still likely have to physically restart the pack after the update anyway - give me a USB port and put the $$ into another 200WS, a decent umbrella tube or adapter, etc. I mean a broadcast update to a studio full of RXs or packs I could see, but the Quadra?
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    Re: Quadra Updated!

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Very confusing.

    Can you control power levels of your Quadra with the current Skyport Guy?

    Are your Monos RX models?

    The new Quadra is an RX.

    -Marc
    I can control power on both the Quadra and the Monolight BXI 500 units. I have the original Quadra and the original skyports. Here is what I have so no confusion.

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...dio_Slave.html

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...ra_Head_S.html

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...i_Compact.html
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    One reason I love the Skyports is because of size but I can control power from the transmitter on 4 different channels and can set both Mono and Quadra on any channel I decide 1,2,3,4
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    Re: Quadra Updated!

    Now with this Skyport and the Phase LS lenses and i would assume the Hassy as well you can go to 1/800 of a second with shutter. I could not go above that with 1/1600 of a sec.

    I think the cutoff is 1/1000.

    I shot with it last night and it seems like 2.2 seconds for full power to recycle which for me is fine. It's a call to the group one more please and your ready
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    I do love the Skyport size but peeves:

    - The non-locking hotshoe (added in the new variant) has caused cause intermittent contact problems (no triggers). I use a strip of gaffer to stop mine from falling out of the hotshoe, but need to reposition on occasion.

    - No power light on the Trx (in new version).

    - $%^&* receiver on/of button. What $%^& moron decide a top-mounted push button was the way to go on a unit where you can't field replace the batteries? ANY contact with ANYTHING in case turns it on and drains the recharged battery. Glued to grommets around mine so now have to turn on with tip of the sync cord - and have them velcro'd to the bottom of small Otter box.

    - Rechargeable batteries in receivers. Me no like. Would much prefer batteries I can swap out in field - especially given preceding.

    - Would love a cold shoe mount on the receivers. Mounting the units means velcro, etc - and that is not always great when moving around or when assistant has pack (AcuteB) over their shoulder, etc.

    Good triggering range, nice control (when I shot Elinchrom) and all in all nice kit - but needs some switchology/ergo work, and while I'll likely move to old-school PW Plus IIs, they do seem to be addressing some of the issues with the MkII Trx.

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    Re: Quadra Updated!

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post

    I get the first set today and I'll see if the stock Skyport controls Quadra power levels from the camera. Hope so.


    It does. On the REGULAR transmitter, you have 4 groups you can control independently, adjust or fire individually or all together. You adjust power up or down using the transmitter but you get no visible feedback at the transmitter, it's a count thing, but you do see the change on the pack readout.

    From what I understand the new SPEED transmitter does not have this functionality, just faster synch speeds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    It does. On the REGULAR transmitter, you have 4 groups you can control independently, adjust or fire individually or all together. You adjust power up or down using the transmitter but you get no visible feedback at the transmitter, it's a count thing, but you do see the change on the pack readout.

    From what I understand the new SPEED transmitter does not have this functionality, just faster synch speeds.
    Thanks for confirming that Jack ... they can keep the new one then.

    My main interest in this was a highly portable wedding & portrait kit ... and I was under the impression you could adjust the power and switch on/off the modeling light from the camera ... but came to distrust anything I read after the B&H recycle misinformation.

    Placing lights 10 feet in the air and bringing them back down for every adjustment doesn't work very well at a wedding.

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    They are shipping the new ones (speed) with the d-lite it strobes, as far as I know they don't sell them seperately as yet though they say that it's coming soon. I had assumed that the new functionality was to make these work with the quadras too for when they are finally released.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Thanks for confirming that Jack ... they can keep the new one then.

    My main interest in this was a highly portable wedding & portrait kit ... and I was under the impression you could adjust the power and switch on/off the modeling light from the camera ... but came to distrust anything I read after the B&H recycle misinformation.

    Placing lights 10 feet in the air and bringing them back down for every adjustment doesn't work very well at a wedding.

    -Marc
    The modeling light is not controllable from the Skyport AFAIK... But you do have a few optional settings at the pack that control always ON, always OFF, or timed ON to OFF. FWIW the Quadra modeling light is an impressively bright LED...
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    The upcoming Skyport Trx has a locking shoe mount, larger buttons, a different side slide switch and a power-on LED

    They need to clean up the marketing collateral.

    They have a myriad of recycle times on the 'new' RX in the specs and some that look impressive but make NO mention of such a large bragging point (much short recycle vs the Mark I) in the collateral, focusing instead on RX USB control (for a field/strobist pack?) and wireless firmware updating ability. My guess is given that and the fact is same batteries, cables, heads and pack guts, the specs need to cleaned up.

    This last one (wireless updating) is just odd to spend R&D on. Is someone's going to update their Quadra firmware from their laptop standing in the parking lot of a church or in a field somewhere?.

    I mean a broadcast update to a studio full of RXs or packs I could see, but the Quadra?
    Looks like adding a Skyport Trx and having the existing one for back-up would be worth looking into later if it turns out to work with existing Quadra packs ... their literature leads me to believe it will.

    Agree on the wireless update ...

    A studio full of Elinchroms? ... been there done that ... works for others but not for me, no thanks!

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    It's (oops) NOT well advertised, but you can toggle the Quadra (or BXRi) modeling light(s) on/off via Skyport (timer settings remain on pack) - hold down the "+" button IIRC. As reference: Page 10, Quadra manual:

    "The integrated EL-Skyport Transceiver offers:
    • Wireless flash triggering / synchronisation
    • Wireless control of the flash power setting
    • Wireless on/off control of the LED Pilotlight
    • Programmable 4 Groups
    • Programmable 8 Frequency channels, to prevent interference with other wireless systems.
    To activate and use these functions, the optional EL-Skyport Transmitter 19351 is required."

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    The new Skyport Trx is simply a form factor mod (after much bitching by users) to the old one - plus the addition of the 'dumb' trigger-only Speed unit for use with lights like the new DLites that have built-in receivers but no remote power control option.

    Yeah, if I were to stay with Skyport I'd add a backup Transmitter and 1-2 backup receivers, full charged.

    The remote power control is nice, but you need, as Jack mentions, to keep count of your +/- moves. The power level increments are as pre-set on the pack - 1/10 stop, 1/3rd, full stop etc. It's straight up/down in those preset increments - no ability to go from 1/10 +/- to a quick 1 push "dial it up 1 stop".

    A visual indicator of power would be nice - or an ability for a 1 button reset to a pre-set level so you had a reference if you got distracted and were away from the pack.

    Also - buy your Trx batteries in bulk, they can sometimes be hard to find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    I do love the Skyport size but peeves:

    - The non-locking hotshoe (added in the new variant) has caused cause intermittent contact problems (no triggers). I use a strip of gaffer to stop mine from falling out of the hotshoe, but need to reposition on occasion.

    - No power light on the Trx (in new version).

    - $%^&* receiver on/of button. What $%^& moron decide a top-mounted push button was the way to go on a unit where you can't field replace the batteries? ANY contact with ANYTHING in case turns it on and drains the recharged battery. Glued to grommets around mine so now have to turn on with tip of the sync cord - and have them velcro'd to the bottom of small Otter box.

    - Rechargeable batteries in receivers. Me no like. Would much prefer batteries I can swap out in field - especially given preceding.

    - Would love a cold shoe mount on the receivers. Mounting the units means velcro, etc - and that is not always great when moving around or when assistant has pack (AcuteB) over their shoulder, etc.

    Good triggering range, nice control (when I shot Elinchrom) and all in all nice kit - but needs some switchology/ergo work, and while I'll likely move to old-school PW Plus IIs, they do seem to be addressing some of the issues with the MkII Trx.
    What are you using now Rob?

    For my location lighting kit I decided I didn't want to tear down my Profoto studio lighting set-up every time I had a location assignment. At the time I built the Profoto studio, AIR didn't exist, so PWs are the triggers .... which isn't an issue in the studio with packs and heads in softboxes and using monos for accent lights ... but is a hassle on location with mono-heads up high or in odd places.

    So, I went with Hensel because of the adjustable transmitter and I already had a 1200 w/s Porty and modifiers. The Hensel transmitter controls the 1200 w/s Mini pack, the Porty-1200 and 500 w/s monos. Okay with two assistants on a commercial shoot, but not when alone or rushing at a wedding.

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    Re: Quadra Updated!

    I'm using AcuteB and Compact (600Ws). I'm using Skyport for triggering as they are simple a carry-over from my Eli days. No remote power control - Air on an Acute BII would be sweet (vs the simple triggering in the latest iteration). I really should have moved to PW given the R versions of the B I'm using, but quite simply haven't gotten around to it.

    When I shot Eli I'd hoped the Quadra would do the job re: small, light, remote power but while I know many folks love it, I was so disgusted with the lack of build quality/robust design or inherent fragile design of teh Quadra heads and adapter (see my post in your WTB post), I gave up.

    My opinion only obviously, but I describe the Quadra as "DLite construction meets Dynalite (head) design meets (near) Ranger price point". While the rubber trim on my Quadra pack wouldn't stay on to save itself and it had almost too many features (lost of menu trees), it was a nice powerful and small feature-rich unit. The heads and adapter were another matter. Your average speedlight is much better built than a Quadra head IMHO.

    But, everyone's mileage and intended usage is different. Limit it to what was designed for, be careful what you mount on the heads and you're good to go. Like all Eli lights - great light, nice tunability and controls, but they need, for me, to marry the same level of physical construction and robustness to the effort they put into kicking-out the lumens.

    I am 'concerned' Eli, while adding more & more electronic features in their new and updating products, is cutting back on (or not addressing) existing robustness issues to be able to implement the mods at a given price point - EVERY unit, DLite, BXRi and Quadra required some DIY work, time, $$ and limitations of usage to get and keep working right.

    Even the latest DLites ITs - thicker plastic and BXRi swivel (which while stronger still needs to be modified) but same [email protected]@ weak dovetail system (two 1/8" x 2" strips of plastic) as the old one mounting the swivel to the bottom of the case. Negating any value from the thicker plastic - other than for Marketing purposes. I guess 101 new electronic features and options make for more attractive Marketing (and are cheaper to implement) than 'built like a tank' design and construction.

    I'd considered the Ranger given it's excellent rep, but was reluctant as would not be surprised, to see the Ranger II start to mimic a more BXRi-like construction - more plastic, less metal, etc., but a myriad of new (and marketable) bells & whistles. However, the former is more important to me than the latter.

    I'd been lusting after a move to PF for some time and after issues with my DLites and BXRi re: build quality and QC, the Quadra was the last straw and I jumped on some deals PF was offering last Fall. Would have explored Hensel, but in Canada, forget it - you'd think they didn't exist.

    A Ranger head on a Quadra pack, while killing any modeling light and larger, would have worked great, but by that time I was a lost cause to Eli.
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    Re: Quadra Updated!

    Got the first Quadra kit yesterday ... discovered another misprint by B&H ... the kit comes with two batteries and their listing says one. Of course I ordered a second battery based on that info which was an unneeded extra expense ... to be returned.

    The heads are tiny, but the swivel stand clamp is a joke ... plus the head only takes Elinchrom umbrellas with the smaller shaft ... the largest of which is a 41". I will just use my standard adjustable umbrella bracket and use the adjustment bracket on the head to aim the light into my 60" ribless Eclipse umbrellas.

    I will cancel the order for the adapter to use other standard Elinchrom modifiers ... I doubt this head clamp could hold much. I'll wait until I can find the Quadra 7" grid reflector, and use my 7" milk white half dome diffusers which I know work well with a hand held boom arm ... I even have a half dome with a 2" circular center grid.

    BTW, I found a nice boom arm "light stick" for this Quadra head ... an INT 333 Interfit Boom Arm with a rubber end cap and padded grip that extends to 86" $24. new!

    First use is this Sunday for an engagement session in rally low light using the H4D/40 and Leica M9. That'll be the real test.

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    Re: Quadra Updated!

    Marc,

    Using a secondary umbrella holder and re-centering the light is a good idea and what most folks end up doing. First time I mounted a small Softlighter II on a Quadra was the last - the tube is far too fragile. Some folks on POTN have come up with some creative ways to do so using two umbrella holders attached at 90 deg angles.

    Also, simply mounting the umbrella in an 026, etc., and letting the Quadra hang off the shaft in front of the holder (vs attached to it) doesn't work well - the head keeps wanting to rotate around the shaft (e.g. head hangs underneath the shaft). Not a biggie but annoying - especially if your moving around at all - you just watch the head (and very exposed tube) pendulum back and forth.

    NOTE on the adapter - the EL-Q adapter has it's own swivel. It's still very weak and needs the typical Eli 'Manfrotto 026' mod to hold anything even remotely substantive, but the lamp just hangs off it. Sadly, the adapter does not have an umbrella clamp - simply a hole thru which the shaft passes enroute back to the lamp.

    The Quadra really is a unit designed for it's own line of mods or small light strobist style gear. Note - don't bother buying a new Quadra softbox unless you like spending $120 +/- on a $25 softbox with a nylon speedring. I bought used and sold mine similarily for about $50 and that felt like highway robbery.

    Nice find on the light stick.

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    Re: Quadra Updated!

    Here's how I set this up for simple posed wedding stuff ... rock solid, no head rotation or anything. Can move it around like an assistant would (LOL!) and it doesn't move.

    Have to do it this way ... I'm not giving up the 60" Eclipse umbrellas, so I need the umbrella bracket anyway.

    Cheap flimsy umbrella mount on a little head that's best used with an umbrella, and Elinchrom's instance on keeping a smaller shaft diameter on all their heads, is amateurish at best.

    But this will sure be better than all the stuff I've tried so far when it comes to a small lightweight solution for off-camera wedding stuff. Way better.

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    Only way to do it..

    I take it you like the Eclipse for the cleaner catchlights?

    On the Q - for a unit designed, in many cases, literally to be used in 'the field' and by wedding/event shooters exactly how you're hoping, using umbrellas and modest sized softboxes, why they didn't step up on the head construction is beyond me.

    I can understand not wanting to hurt Ranger sales and keep things light, but differentiate vs the Ranger based on power, tunability and features, not construction. Keep the unit simple, small, strong and durable with basic features and remote power control. Had high hopes for mine, but after working with it...

    The heads weigh less than a speedlight yet kicks-out 4x+ the power so an Alu or alloy housing wouldn't be a killer for anyone. Use a decent an umbrella tube, with a locking mechanism, etc that runs through the lamp close to the center axis so you can 'Hollywood' the unit with an umbrella and not worry about it. Use a bloody swivel that will hold a decent modifier, etc.

    Having studio-like control features like 101 menu trees to flip thru when you're in a hurry to alter a setting, tunability 8 ways from Xmas when most folks will tweak two settings and leave it , wireless firmware updating capability, etc., in my mind are ill-spent R&D dollars on a field 'strobist' style pack that can't even hold an umbrella or decent softbox straight out of the box.

    Great concept, nice light, but execution, on the heads, that is simply a head-scratcher.
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    You guys know you can buy and adapter cable that allows you to use the beefier Ranger heads on the Quadra? I only mention this because speaking for myself, if I'm bothering to use an umbrella, I'm mounting the head on a stand, and if I'm mounting the head on a stand, then the pack isn't moving with me and I can use my regular Ranger pack... But if I wanted to standardize on Quadra packs and batteries for an event like a wedding, then I'd still use the beefier Ranger heads on the Quadra packs and avoid all of the issues above. That said, I do have the same Bogen swivel mount and a 40" dual umbrella (shoot through and regular), as well as a tiny stand I carry with the Quadra for just in case.
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    I'd looked at going with the Ranger head+cable+Q pack, even with the loss of the modeling light, but by that time my temper wouldn't allow me to give Eli any more chances (or $$) - and gave me the last push I needed to call my Profoto dealer.

    I'm now a die-hard, ain't going anywhere, born-again, "...from my cold dead hands..", etc., etc., ad nauseam Profoto addict, but still remain curious (trepidatious would really be more accurate) as to what the new rumored RXi monolights and any Ranger update will look like. Chatter has it, for what that's worth, that a lot of gear updates/changes are coming.

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    Jack, Rob ... I''m happy ... this is better than anything else I've tried (assuming it works okay on the job and not just in theory ... ).

    It has more than 2 or 3 times the power of any "strobists" speed-light solution, the heads take up very little space, and space it the premium for wedding stuff ... otherwise I'd still have the Profoto kit. I'm getting to old to schlep that kind of load around anymore

    I now use a Light Caddy to carry the stands/umbrellas and light stick ... and once I find a good HD padded sock to cover the heads, I'll leave them on the stands just like I did with the bare bulb lights. The Light Caddy dividers and a bungie cord keep everything from jostling around to much.

    Thanks for all the input guys!

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    See that is really the beauty of the Quadra. It is extremely small so overlooking a plastic adapter and feeling cheap head it is so small that it is pocketable. I'm going to rig 2 foot pole to my head and run around with the head on top , shoulder pack over the shoulder and get great shots. Now I amy look like a alien doing it but that would be the ticket for it. I agree with Jack if I am going to use a umbrella and softbox than the Ranger head would be a better way to go. I use a diffusion sock on it and works a charm . But that new cover I have to look at because that is exactly what I want. Hell just order it and find out is what i am going to do.
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    Someone really stole this one out of my brain. I wanted this since it was announced a year ago for the Quadra's. Just ordered it and will report

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Someone really stole this one out of my brain. I wanted this since it was announced a year ago for the Quadra's. Just ordered it and will report

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...or_Ranger.html
    Beat you to it ... mine just came and are installed

    No need to buy these ... you get one free for each head you bought based on the latest Manfrotto promo (if you still have your receipt).

    Of course I bought mine already before I found this out ... which is fine because I want to use them this Sunday.

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    No worries on the input.

    Treat a Q head like a set of ganged speedlights with an all-day battery attached and full remote control and they'll be golden. Used as designed - forgetting adapters, etc and just running them with their own reflector and say a diffuser and they will work like a charm. It's when people start to believe Eli's marketing and try and extend their use further that the weaknesses rear their heads. A Ranger Lite they are not.

    One note on the new covers - take a careful hand with the tabs, there have been complaints of them being prone breaking (from UK/EU users who've apparently had them for some time already), but have had no first-hand experience myself.

    Not sure about the pole-on-your-head scenario...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Beat you to it ... mine just came and are installed

    No need to buy these ... you get one free for each head you bought based on the latest Manfrotto promo (if you still have your receipt).

    Of course I bought mine already before I found this out ... which is fine because I want to use them this Sunday.

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    Damn you . LOL Now you tell me about the Promo.

    Thanks bud and I just sent it to Jack also since he just got his a little while ago and did not get one either. Like always us guinea pigs get the scraps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Damn you . LOL Now you tell me about the Promo.

    Thanks bud and I just sent it to Jack also since he just got his a little while ago and did not get one either. Like always us guinea pigs get the scraps.
    Guy, I figured out how to add the Skyport when using on-camera flash for fill.

    I MacGyver'ed it ...

    Took one of those little red knobbed Stroboframe speed-light clamps used for their brackets, and used one of my Wife's black hair bungies to secure it to the top of the Metz 54 or to a monopod/tripod leg ... just like those caddies for Pocket Wizards work.

    Works like a charm ... able to move around using adjustable on-camera fill, while firing the Quadra's.

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    I have a PC cabled hot shoe adapter for triggering a hot shoe flash from a PC out only camera, and I have a generic Skyport receiver that takes different cables, one of which is a PC out. So why can't I just hook the Metz up via that receiver, and trigger everything together with a single Skyport on camera?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    I have a PC cabled hot shoe adapter for triggering a hot shoe flash from a PC out only camera, and I have a generic Skyport receiver that takes different cables, one of which is a PC out. So why can't I just hook the Metz up via that receiver, and trigger everything together with a single Skyport on camera?
    I'm not following what you mean Jack? Then where do you put the Metz flash? On a flash bracket? Or am I not following what you are saying?

    I think the objective was to use on-camera flash in the camera's shoe for "mobile" fill while triggering the strobes with the Skyport. For example, at an event you place the strobes to light the backgrounds and use on-camera flash in TTL mode as you move around the event ... like a wedding reception.

    I was trying to do it without adding some sort of bracket just to hold the little Skyport (which is plugged into the digital back's flash sync port). I don't use a bracket with the Hassy ... try to keep the MFD kit as light as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post

    A studio full of Elinchroms? ... been there done that ... works for others but not for me, no thanks!

    -Marc
    Marc,
    but why? We had so much fun with broken mounts and using their flimsy brackets, remember?
    Profoto mount just spoiled you too much

    TBH, I'm surprised you went with Elinchrom. Good to hear you found a system that works. You wanted light and portable, you found it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcin Harla View Post
    Marc,
    but why? We had so much fun with broken mounts and using their flimsy brackets, remember?
    Profoto mount just spoiled you too much

    TBH, I'm surprised you went with Elinchrom. Good to hear you found a system that works. You wanted light and portable, you found it!
    Hey Marcin!

    I was surprised also ... but this kit is really, really small to replace off-camera speed-lights not strobes. Literally doable when working alone. Two 400 w/s generators are about the size of one 600B and offer 4 outlets. If the Profoto 600B had two outlets I would have gone for that as a super compact kit.

    I also still use some Elinchrom modifiers like the huge Octa and gobo box .... but fortunately Profoto makes an Elinchrom adapter

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    I'm not following what you mean Jack? Then where do you put the Metz flash? On a flash bracket?
    Exactly -- mount the Metz on my Stroboframe bracket, no cable, and trigger both via the Skyport in the hot-shoe on the camera. I like the bracket because it gets my flash higher up off the camera or flip it further to the side for a more natural fill effect and nicer catch lights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Exactly -- mount the Metz on my Stroboframe bracket, no cable, and trigger both via the Skyport in the hot-shoe on the camera. I like the bracket because it gets my flash higher up off the camera or flip it further to the side for a more natural fill effect and nicer catch lights.

    And welcome to GetDPI Marcin!
    Jack, I was really trying to avoid the use of a bracket because I prefer full TTL ability for the on-camera fill. The Hassey H takes over TTL flash control and all flash comp functions can be done without taking my eye from the viewfinder. The penalty is the flash isn't centered over the lens axis in portrait orientation. However, when using an off-camera strobe I just fill to the opposite side of the key using a Fong diffuser.

    Did an engagement shoot yesterday. Most of it was inside Marvelous Marvin's Mechanical Museum ... a pack rat's version of kitschy carney displays and side-show memorabilia stacked to the ceiling with narrow aisle ways ... perfect location test for this tiny system. Used the H4D and Leica M9. A 35mm DSLR free day

    I ran into two hitches ... first was a stupid over-site in my part: I set the +/- adjustment to 1 stop thinking it would be faster to work with. It proved to be to large a jump, and made light balance refinements less effective. Need at least 1/2 stop increments, maybe more. I should have known better.

    The second was a technical glitch. The PC cord set-up using the digital back "out" sync port, worked, then didn't. I immediately switched to using the camera body sync port which was fine. Not sure what happened.

    Also, there has to be a better way to attach the Skyport. The bungie cord idea worked but isn't stable enough when pressing the +/- buttons.

    Definitely need at least two more skyports so I don't have to be removing one and moving it from camera to camera.

    The lights were great, work like a charm and it was all very mobile and fast even in this very difficult location.

    The big test comes at this coming week-end's wedding .... all at an opulent Masonic Temple with no natural light.

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    Velcro Marc..
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    Glad it worked out.

    3M makes a 'velcro on steroids' called Dual Lock. Comes in strips and black/clear 'dots' of various sizes. VERY HD hold, self-adhesive and since both halves are hard nylon vs one fabric, no shifting around. You can apparently get a generic version at Radio Shack.

    I've also attached Skyport Rcv to the side of my Acute B with a flat coin-shaped rare-earth magnet - no issues re: operation of limiting range. With the metal case of the

    Also, this may or may not work with your H - or maybe you can copy it DIY.
    It's from RadioPopper and looks to be a bracket with a long hot shoe extension so you can attach one of their Trx to a Nikon hotshoe without impeding the pop-up flash - and pick up the TTL signals/

    http://shop.radiopopper.com/pxreceiv...tbase-1-1.aspx

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    Jack, I was really trying to avoid the use of a bracket because I prefer full TTL ability for the on-camera fill.
    Okay, understand, just different strokes. I would simply use the Metz in Auto mode at -1/2 since the Quadra is fixed anyway. BUT, I also have the Metz remote cable -- the cable that plugs into the flash base, then you attach your camera module at the camera end -- the camera end also contains a repositioned "Auto" sensor so your flash is still reading auto at camera level.
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    Velcro Marc..
    That was the first thing I tried Ben ... didn't work ... There isn't any surface to put it on ...the Skyport is too small to use velcro. The bungie to the Metz is more secure.

    The good news is that being so small, the Skyport really works well on the M9.

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    Thanks for the heads up on the extra strong velcro Rob. I've even got a pocket wizard TT1 and Radiopopper PX on my flash with velcro, haven't ever had any problems with it to be honest eventhough it's only a very small strip on the TT1.
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