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    Metz 64 AF-1 - a new beast

    It looks like an awesome flash and it's even more compact than the non-third party flashes that big companies have to offer. It as a focal range of 24-200mm!!

    Metz Mecablitz 64 AF-1 flagship flash unit gets US announcement and pricing: Digital Photography Review

    Metz Mecablitz 64 AF-1 digital Flash for Sony Cameras MZ 64316S

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMY8Qlji6es

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    Re: Metz 64 AF-1 - a new beast

    Guide number of 64 Wow.............. at the 200mm position not so Wow.

    I fail to see whats is so impressive about this, just another flashgun boasting big guide numbers that don't actually mean anything in real world use. And even if it did have a GN64 at a reasonable head setting (35mm) what would be the point as it runs on 4 AA batteries. 20 pops and it would be dead. Add a power pack and cost and size is reaching Profoto B1 (or soon other manufacturer equivalent - Photokina?) and they are proper, much more flexible flash units.

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    Re: Metz 64 AF-1 - a new beast

    I have the Metz, now stuck in a closet somewhere in my house.
    I bought the Quantum (actually three of them) and have them talk to each other. They are powerful and light weight...carry them around in a gym bag.
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    Re: Metz 64 AF-1 - a new beast

    Quote Originally Posted by stngoldberg View Post
    I have the Metz, now stuck in a closet somewhere in my house.
    I bought the Quantum (actually three of them) and have them talk to each other. They are powerful and light weight...carry them around in a gym bag.
    Stanley
    Yes, the Quantum I can understand (apart from their studio strobe cost) and the Metz hammerheads possibly too but a hotshe gun not so much. I'm sure its very good, Metz have always made quality kit but this is not the most exciting lighting product i've seen recently.

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    Re: Metz 64 AF-1 - a new beast

    Thank you for posting this!

    While evolutionary, it also represents some improvements long over-due for speed-lights in general.

    Lots of misinformation already floating around on other photo-sites regarding this speed-light. Best to go straight to the maker's website for clarification.

    Product information: Metz

    This is of interest to me because Leica flashes are made by Metz, and this new one may be the next issue for my Leica S2P.

    I'm also interested for use on my A99. My Sony HVL-F60M speed-light is larger, heavier, and more bulky than my Leica (Metz) SF58, as well as this new one and this new speed-light has many improvements lacking on my Sony flash. I need a back-up to replace the older Sony flash that requires an "shaky" adapter to use on the A99.

    Of great interest is the LCD touch screen interface that even rotates and is back-lit promising to enhance making adjustments in dark ambient conditions. This is a major advancement over any of my current flashes, and BIG deal IMO.

    The other improvement's include a metal foot, which neither my Sony 60 nor Leica SF58 have a standard ISO PC Sync Port also something lacking on Sony F60M flash, as well as my Leica SF58. The latter is long over-due for off-camera use using studio radio transceivers such as Profoto's AIR, Elinchrom's Skyport, and Pocket Wizard (for example, speed-lights make excellent accent lights to place in areas to small to hide studio strobes).

    The extension to evenly illuminate out to 200mm is a nice improvement that I think users of the Sony 135/1.8 and 70-200 lenses will appreciate.

    What is not published on the Metz site (that I can find), are full output recycle times when set to "Rapid Mode" (someone on another site said it is 1.8 seconds, but I could not verify that). The other unknown is the thermal shut-off threshold of this new flash compared to the Sony FM60M, which is notorious for quitting under rapid shooting conditions.

    Of note, Sony does NOT list Lithium batteries to power their flash Metz does list Lithium for the SF58 and this new one. While I do use Lithiums in my Sony units, they get pretty darned hot which may or may not be a contributing factor to the thermal shut-down issue (?) I've never had my SF58 shut down, I have had it happen a number of times with Sony flash.

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    Re: Metz 64 AF-1 - a new beast

    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    Guide number of 64 Wow.............. at the 200mm position not so Wow.

    I fail to see whats is so impressive about this, just another flashgun boasting big guide numbers that don't actually mean anything in real world use. And even if it did have a GN64 at a reasonable head setting (35mm) what would be the point as it runs on 4 AA batteries. 20 pops and it would be dead. Add a power pack and cost and size is reaching Profoto B1 (or soon other manufacturer equivalent - Photokina?) and they are proper, much more flexible flash units.
    This flash is $449 + the tiny Quantum Turbo SC @ $351 = $800 not $1,995 the B1 costs. Plus, you cannot mount the B1 on your camera to use as fill

    Not that I think this puny flash can run with the "big dog" strobes, but it does have its place, even in conjunction with the key-light studio strobes. My most used mobile set-up is TTL on camera for fill, and a radio triggered Profoto B600 Lithium AIR as key. When the B1 gets some competition and they offer periodic sale prices, I may get one of those also.

    Using AA Ni-MH Panasonic eneloop pro batteries (2550 mAh) in my current Metz made Leica SF58, I get a lot more than 20 full power pops. I'm assuming similar performance with this flash, or maybe even better.

    While the guide numbers may be relatively comparable to other speed-lights at wider focal lengths, most others do not extend lighting out for 200mm focal lengths, and base their guide numbers on 105mm at ISO 100.

    The other improvements make it worth the price IMO.

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    Re: Metz 64 AF-1 - a new beast

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    This flash is $449 + the tiny Quantum Turbo SC @ $351 = $800 not $1,995 the B1 costs. Plus, you cannot mount the B1 on your camera to use as fill
    I was thinking for people looking at these to start off rather than someone who already owns part of the system. Basing this flash around the Turbo 3 battery with power cable, cable for off camera TTL and some form of radio trigger for away from camera use it might not quite be B1 money its not all that far off either especially considering this is after all only a speedlight.

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    Re: Metz 64 AF-1 - a new beast

    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    I was thinking for people looking at these to start off rather than someone who already owns part of the system. Basing this flash around the Turbo 3 battery with power cable, cable for off camera TTL and some form of radio trigger for away from camera use it might not quite be B1 money its not all that far off either especially considering this is after all only a speedlight.
    I still do not agree with the "all that far off pricing" comment", (you still have to pay $395 for a TTL-N/TTL-C AIR transceiver, and some sort of modifier, on top of the $2K for the B1, and none of the Profoto B1 stuff can be found used yet while used Quantum batteries are cheap (if the average person starting out even needs more than the AAs in the flash).

    However, I DO agree 100% with the spirit of "Off Camera with Strobes" if you can afford it almost anything other than a speed-light works better in almost every way other than convenience.

    Even then, I highly recommend a speed-light first if for no other reason than it's easy to carry for everyday fill (and it needn't be as powerful or sophisticated as this one). Then add a strobe.

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    Re: Metz 64 AF-1 - a new beast

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Even then, I highly recommend a speed-light first if for no other reason than it's easy to carry for everyday fill (and it needn't be as powerful or sophisticated as this one). Then add a strobe.
    Strobist gear for me are good old trusty Vivitar 285's. Spending more just seems excessive on speed lights but I suppose if you want TTL then you have to pay extra.

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    Re: Metz 64 AF-1 - a new beast

    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    Strobist gear for me are good old trusty Vivitar 285's. Spending more just seems excessive on speed lights but I suppose if you want TTL then you have to pay extra.
    Understood.

    If you want ADI TTL and high speed sync on a Sony camera or the wink fill flash on front for when you are bouncing off of a ceiling, or up to 200mm reach then this new Metz may not be all that "excessive".

    The 285s are still great if none of that is of interest to a photographer.

    Personally, I still occasionally use a SunPak 120J bare bulb flash which delivers a better quality of light than any standard speed-light IMO. Mostly as a smaller, self contained off-camera kit. However, since getting the much more powerful Elinchrom Quadra Lithium, I haven't touched the SunPak.

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    Re: Metz 64 AF-1 - a new beast

    Looks like a nice, little travel flash (at least compared to my Metz 70 units), and the 200mm reach is certainly a nice feature. It's a pity it's not an SCA flash though, which would mean that I have to buy one either for Panasonic or for Nikon, but then again: that kind of flexibility is one of the reasons why I have the "potato mashers"

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