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    Contax 645Hi,

    I bought Contax 645 and have two questions.

    1. Please recommend a bag to go with Contax 645 and 140mm lens with Hood, and Grip *attached*.

    2. Please teach me how to find proper digital backs for Contax. I see only "for Hasselblad" digital backs on eBay. May be I simply need an adapter to attach Hassel backs to Contax? Which backs are "no-no". Is it ever possible to find a good back under $5K ?

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    You need to use either:

    - a Sinar back with a Contax adapter
    - a Hasselblad back with a Contax adapter
    - a Leaf back in Contax mount
    - a Phase One back in Contax mount

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    Thanks.

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    i have had phase backs with Contax and use hassey and contax lenses (see the 110/4 discussion I have a few P25 images)
    Although I now have P45+ and had P45 I am a bit sorry that I sent from the P25. It is GREAT and more than enough for most work.
    Good deals too!
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    PS and welcome to the C645 club; it is a wonderful platform (even can use some Leica lenses!!)

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    Certainly agree with Victor about the Contax 645 platform and lenses as well as the fact that there are some VERY good deals out there on used backs, including the P25. However, they are not under $5k good deals... probably closer to twice that. If you want to shoot MFDB the best bang for the buck IMHO is the Mamiya ZD if you can find one, but you will then need to shoot either the Mamiya 645 or RZ (which I like very much).

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    why switch to inferior glass and platform?

    Here's a back under $5k! Pretty damn good. It was the first back I used with the Contax 645 when I switched from film. It actually has a more 'filmic' look than current backs. I may try to pick one up again (taded it for the P25 on a great deal.)
    (could also try P17 also 16MP and under 10k, but try a used P25; I think they are getting down there. I am sorry I traded mine!

    The first is 100% crop and yes, it is the now defunct Kodak. (but in good company with defunct Contax

    Victor

    PS, Even though I have a P45+ for may shots I would still not be reluctant to use the Kodak.

    PPS BTW, these are pretty crasppy 150k jpgs. If you want the original raws to play with (Photodesk from Kodak is free) I will send you some raw files. Don't dismiss this back!
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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    contax 645 system has a bag that is absolutely ideal except it says "contax" with huge white letters right on the front. it would be the same had they wrote "steal me".
    if you want a small portable bag for just one body with a lens and a back, believe it or not, contax G2 system bag (black one, not brown) works beautifully if you take all dividers out. you will have to mount a hood backwards, though. anyway, not mounting the GB-72 hood backwards for storage is a bad idea because you can easily break aplastic retainer ring on its mount.
    the only unteathered back that is close to what you want to pay for it is kodak dcs proback 645c, but below 5K it will have close to 100,000 actuations and most likely will be banged up.

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    The Phase One P20+ just got it's MSRP reduced to $9990. I know they'll deal a bit on them so isn't this a better pick than a Kodak back even though it's a bit more costly? You'd get full 16 bit files, a year's warranty, better LCD and so on. And it's a current model with full support by the manufacturer, upgrade path, etc.

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    the only cute thing about p20+ is a long exposure capability. the screen is no better than on the kodak. well, one more thing: kodak uses batteries compatible with nothing else, while phase one backs use widely available generic canon packs. but if you think about how many spare batteries one can get for a $4500 price difference...

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    Recent sales of C645 Kodak are 3000-4000 with under 10,000 actuations. There is one ebay now looks excellent
    for a mint, 5000 esp with AA filter (but who would want it?) would not be unreasonable, but I am looking for one w/o AA.

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    where? for 3000 i will buy one just in case

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    are we negotiating?

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    The Phase One P20+ just got it's MSRP reduced to $9990. I know they'll deal a bit on them so isn't this a better pick than a Kodak back even though it's a bit more costly? You'd get full 16 bit files, a year's warranty, better LCD and so on. And it's a current model with full support by the manufacturer, upgrade path, etc.
    We need to hear from Lance, but do you get a Mamiya body with this one?

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    no, honestly: i will sell mine for 5k and buy another one just like that for 3k. then i can use the remaining two grand to buy something for my wife now all i need to know is where do they sell them backs for three grand a piece.

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by irakly View Post
    no, honestly: i will sell mine for 5k and buy another one just like that for 3k. then i can use the remaining two grand to buy something for my wife now all i need to know is where do they sell them backs for three grand a piece.
    one sold mid 3xxx but was fraud so now relisted 3550 with 5k buynow

    Other 'reported' sales in same range, but who knows. However, at some point (like 5-6k people will just stretch to a used phase 7k range (P25) or a new P20 under 10k

    one seller 2 buyer>price can be 6K

    two sellers one buyer and its back to 3k

    thin market

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    dream on i got my p25 for 11.5K

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    No Mamiya body at that price.

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by gogopix View Post
    We need to hear from Lance, but do you get a Mamiya body with this one?
    Hey Victor,
    You can add a PhaseOne 645 AFD system with the new 80mm lens for $2500 in the classic configuration bringing the total package to $12,490.
    Hope this helps.


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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    Thanks all for replies!

    I was the runner-up in Tim Kelly's auction.

    My last bid was $5900, then auction time eneded, and another bidder won.

    I never got a prompt from Tim to take the back, although I dicussed with him more than once that I want the back. He simply made auction void and relisted the item. At that point we both decided to not deal anymore, each for our own reasons.

    With or without AA, the back not worths that amount of money. I'm glad to skip that deal. Hope Tim Kelly is happy, too
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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by gogopix View Post
    why switch to inferior glass and platform?
    What's inferior?

    Why do you have to constantly justify your decisions by discounting those of others?

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    The Mamyia's maybe not be the best glass around but I have to say in the MF and the ZD i am getting some really great images from it and I am a lens junky . So i find them really doing a great job in the final image. Some things that are very apparent with Mamiya is there still in business for one and they are partners with Phase. The Mamiya 28mm is to die for . They are coming out with special designed digital lenses 80mm 2.8, a new 150 mm and also a new 45-90 lens. Frankly i think i made a good choice with going Mamiya . Also there are only 3 or 4 making gear at present . Hassy, Sinar and Mamiya. leaf is partners I belive with Sinar on the camera's. So there is not a lot of choice and as nice as the Contax system is it is also very dead with nothing new coming and that makes that a nervous purchase in my mind. Let's not forget a new and improved base camera for it the AFD-III coming next month.
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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    I like the Contax system and they have some nice lenses but to go buy it now and a back for it , i just think it is a risk and many are selling off because if they change there backs than do you want to invest 30k like this. Not that there is anything wrong here but certainly makes you think twice.
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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    The mamiya has many bodies, wonder how long they will be around?

    the H1 and H2 were made virtually "DEAD" by HB when they brought out the H3D

    Let's stop talking about the Contax as 'dead' in a way that suggests this is a reasonable criterion. The Contax system likely has MORE availability than many HB configurations that were obsoleted.

    I am in the midst of looking at an alternative to my Contax 645 /P45+/C-HBV-Leicavisoglass (yes it works on C645) system

    and you know what?

    based on IQ, ease of handling and overall flexibility (NOT focusing on any one item, like flash synch or AF speed) I have yet to find ANY system that has better IQ and ease of use.

    yes the 75LV may have better iso-so I can get a C645 mount and buy the 75LV!
    Yes the HB H3D has ALMOST the IQ, but with tonnes of special processing,
    The Hy6 has Rollei glass- about, maybe as good as the Contax and HB V glass I use on the combo I have.

    The latter two suffer from being MONSTERS compared to the C645 with either prism or WLF. OH, and I have a sealth camera called the ALPA TC! with 35mm Schneider with Contax mount.

    SOme really top people use the C645 with their glass and back of choice. It has the MOST glass, even compared to HB since it has a short registry distance.

    When the arguments come down to

    "really dramatically better resolution of glass that doesnt fit the C645,"
    or
    "form and fit that make it MUch easier to handle"
    or
    Dramatically better AF"
    or
    " significantly improved flash handing in ALL situation.

    then I will switch

    In the meantime I am planing to buy a second system. I am already resigned to the fact that i will likely buy a system for ONE feature (say faster AF, or higher synch) and will like sacrifice IQ and handling

    we will see.

    In the meantime, I welcome striaght one on one IQ against the C645 system with glass OTHER than C645 possible
    All else is trade off.

    Sorry. Some here are going to drop a lot of money on MF and seem into the Mamiya as it may be the first to be affordable. Don't let a "dead" label scare one from the better (By MANY people's judgments, not just mine. Read here, listen to DPI friends like CJ and MK, and see LL threads on the Contax and you may change your mind about how 'dead' the Contax 645 system is.

    best regards
    Victor

    PS: As many here suspect, and it certainly doesn't make me popular, I COULD buy any system out there!

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    Solutions
    1. Sell camera with MFDB to switch to another system.
    2. Buy MFDB with an adapter (Ixpress, Sinar, etc).

    I bought Contax because
    1. Special look of images shot with Zeiss optics. Thank to Irakly..
    2. Contax is similar to my Nikon.

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    ... Also there are only 3 or 4 making gear at present . Hassy, Sinar and Mamiya. leaf is partners I belive with Sinar on the camera's. So there is not a lot of choice and as nice as the Contax system is it is also very dead with nothing new coming and that makes that a nervous purchase in my mind...
    Guy, the Contax brand is dead as far as a company is concerned, but the Contax 645 system is still one of the best and most versatile systems today in many aspects. The whole system is very well built and will last for many years. It has been manufactured in large quantity from 1999 through 2005. Zeiss Japan will continue to support the optics for many years, and there are plenty of parts and people who can service this system worldwide. Yes, the AF may not be as fast, and there will not be any leaf shutter lenses or 28mm for it, but many people like the Zeiss glass and the overall capabilities of this system are still unmatched in many areas.

    For example, the auto-bellows with rise/fall/tilt/shift geared movements of the Contax 645 make it an ideal setup for product and macro work, something which Mamiya still does not provide in their 645 systems. Also, the Contax provides full support for a waist level viewfinder including an integrated flash bracket. And then there are things like a vertical grip for portrait shooters, and a built in TTL flash meter.

    Many photographers continue to use the Contax 645 system with great success in their business, and are quite profitable with it. While the camera body can no longer be updated, the digital backs for it can. You can choose pretty much any back for it, from the inexpensive Kodak 16MP back to the latest 33MP and 39MP backs from Hasselblad, Leaf, Sinar, and PhaseOne.

    So, don't get me wrong here. The Mamiya is a great system. I respect your choice in the Mamiya system, and I do not consider it inferior to any other choice of system. However, the Contax is not a lesser alternative.

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    I owned two Contax 645 systems and now own the Mamiya AFDII. I can assure you that the Mamiya is the better body in every functional respect; faster AF, better AE, brighter viewfinder. As far as build quality, the Mamiya only looks like something plastic fantastic -- in reality it is a very solid camera. I suspect if we performed a drop test with the Mamiya, Contax, H3 and Rollei, the Mamiya would be the most likely to survive, primarily because of its lighter net weight.

    As for the glass, the Mamiya glass is excellent but certainly has a different look than Zeiss -- I find many of the Mamiya primes have a smoother Leica look as opposed to the more contrasty Zeiss look. FWIW, I find the Fujiblad glass somewhere between.

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    In many respects I suppose C vs M would be a wash. (I do dispute the AE better, and the AF though a bit slow when it works is spot on, and is easily overridden in Contax. Same with AE.
    It is a tough tank, and would ask Jack, that you first drop your Mamiya from say waist height on to a sidewalk. Let me know what happens. If it doesnt break, well, I will give you THAT one
    What is different is the glass. The votes have been taleyed on C vs M glass for years. The much vaunted 28mm was quitre poo-pooed on LL. (was possibly a sample variance issue, as explained, but isnt that a message in itself?)
    other glass of C is compared, as with 120mm vs HB with the CZ the favoured.

    I have now ALL the Contax glass, AND the rare bellows and just about every accessory. In fact the contax flash I even use on my Leica's in A mode and with bounce and secondary flash they are superd, and easier to use than the Metz (though the guide number is in fact less I believe on the C)

    we can debate all day. In the end, we will make our trades offs. I don't need to compromise since some of the areas where other systems are better I just make part of my sceme (Alpa, HB V lenses) or dont care (AF is not a big deal, and for street shooting, NO AF is smart enought to find a bird in a tree, buried in brancehes . I just have and use the Contax!

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    Victor, I don't disagree at all! The Contax is/was an excellent camera. I seriously wish it was still in production -- if it were, I would probably still be using one myself. But it isn't and that is a problem for me since I require more "future-proof" support. At any rate, I am holding off any other system jump until I see what the new Mamiya AFDIII AND leaf shutter lenses bring. If the LS lenses are any good, then I am set. If not, then I will probably add a Hassy H system to the mix. The issue here is I need/want both focal plane shutter speeds for outdoors and leaf shutter flash synch speeds for studio. And FWIW, while I love the look and feel of the Hy6, I cannot get my arms around the cost of entry, especially the glass.

    BTW, I have two different bellows for my Mamiya, one fully electronic coupled and another with full front standard movements (tilt, swing, shift and rise/fall). I can mount some older LF glass on that one for really interesting looks. With all the other glass that can be adapted, the Mamiya is a VERY flexible system.

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by David Klepacki View Post
    Guy, the Contax brand is dead as far as a company is concerned, but the Contax 645 system is still one of the best and most versatile systems today in many aspects. The whole system is very well built and will last for many years. It has been manufactured in large quantity from 1999 through 2005. Zeiss Japan will continue to support the optics for many years, and there are plenty of parts and people who can service this system worldwide. Yes, the AF may not be as fast, and there will not be any leaf shutter lenses or 28mm for it, but many people like the Zeiss glass and the overall capabilities of this system are still unmatched in many areas.

    For example, the auto-bellows with rise/fall/tilt/shift geared movements of the Contax 645 make it an ideal setup for product and macro work, something which Mamiya still does not provide in their 645 systems. Also, the Contax provides full support for a waist level viewfinder including an integrated flash bracket. And then there are things like a vertical grip for portrait shooters, and a built in TTL flash meter.

    Many photographers continue to use the Contax 645 system with great success in their business, and are quite profitable with it. While the camera body can no longer be updated, the digital backs for it can. You can choose pretty much any back for it, from the inexpensive Kodak 16MP back to the latest 33MP and 39MP backs from Hasselblad, Leaf, Sinar, and PhaseOne.

    So, don't get me wrong here. The Mamiya is a great system. I respect your choice in the Mamiya system, and I do not consider it inferior to any other choice of system. However, the Contax is not a lesser alternative.
    NO ONE is saying the Contax 645 is an inferior system ... it's the constant berating of other people's choices in comparison that's the issue. After all, doesn't the need/application determine what is best for any given photographer?

    For example, IF a I want fast MF AF, then the C645 is the LAST MF AF camera I would select. In my case, that was exactly my need, so bye-bye C645 as soon as I lifted a H2 to my eye ... which has continued to evolve to be even faster and more accurate ... because they are still in business and improving their product. Same for Mamiya with their innovative multi-point AF and new, faster AF performance.

    I personally have a far greater need for a higher fill-flash sync speed outdoors than I do being limited to 1/125th. Others may not.

    IF i want FULL T/S ability, I'll use my Rollei Xact with a wide ranging system of Rodenstock and Schneider Digital APO lenses that no MF system lenses can match ... including the C645. Others may have different needs/applications, and for them a different solution may well be better.

    While I can secure a waist/lever finder for the H3D, and had one for my C645, I never use one with a 645, so I could care less if a 645 camera offers one ... since it's useless for a quick change to a portrait orientation.

    IMO, adding the vertical grip to the Contax was a Frankenstein solution that affected the handling and balance of a well balanced camera to much ... but was selected as often as not because of the horrible power efficiency of that camera.

    IF Contax had stayed in production, and IF they had continued to evolve to provide better AF, and IF they had produced some leaf shutter optics, If they had solved the power issue, I probably never would have left the fold. But they didn't, so I moved on. It has nothing to do with what the best "universal" system may be ... it's personal need/application that drives choice.

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    So, if I have this right, we eliminate AF, power issues, sync speed, and most of the other stuff that makes a 645 a reasonable application choice ... and we're left with a ... drum roll ... Hasselbald 203FE ... which has lens IQ that equals, and in many cases, kills the Contax 645 lenses. Ironically, also a dead system, but the company that made it is still directly handling repairs, and I can get parts overnight. Slap a Sinar 33 meg back on it and you're off to the races ... as long as you don't need AF ... which I guess we don't.

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    Marc,
    You have it right; in fact, the potential for faster AF is the ONE feature (synch speed has NOT been a problem, but I would NOT throw 1/800s away

    Most situation i DO NOT need those items that make another system better than Contax. It is not to berate other systems, it is just in many respects they are not better!

    anyway, the Contax amongst the MF platforms is the most comfortable and smallest (though a bit heavier) I actally get MORE stares that I have a camera from the R9DMR look and can slip in with the Contax/80mm2.0 without an isue esp with WLF.

    WHEN the HB series gets on a diet I will likely write the check. The glass looks great and the system has legs for the furure.

    In the meantime I get to use all the CF, CFE, CFI (even "C") lenses aswell as the "F" and "FE"

    however, unlike your 203, I also get to use the Contax glass, and, except for 120makro, in AF!

    regards
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    PS: the contax with P45+? the P45+ battery I change more than the contax. I got over 2500 shots in europe from three body batteries.

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by evgeny View Post
    Solutions
    1. Sell camera with MFDB to switch to another system.
    2. Buy MFDB with an adapter (Ixpress, Sinar, etc).

    I bought Contax because
    1. Special look of images shot with Zeiss optics. Thank to Irakly..
    2. Contax is similar to my Nikon.
    Buying "Zeiss Optics" will not make your images look like Irakly's. It's the use of light.

    Buy a Lumoflex and spend your money on one of his "creative" seminars ... you'll be the better for it

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    FWIW, my Sinar rep tells me not to buy the Hassy adapter for my Hy6 kit so I can use my 200 series camera... says they are not compatible. I'm told by others he's wrong. Marc, have you looked into this. I really want to shoot some of my Hasselblad glass on the 200 series camera and get away from shooting it on the Contax via adapter (even though it works just fine).

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    I just wanted to follow up on marc's comment about "its wahat works for your work" that counts.

    Here is a shot, AF, in terrible light. I was only a few feet away and the parties actually never reacted to the shot- an important aspect. Reasonable lens, no flash, quick focus (ok, not the greatest AE! and noise, but these do not have any NR, only exposure correction.

    This is what you need in travl shots, at least for me. That is something a little les conspicuous than a Grey BLK Hy6 nwith 75Lv grey blue or a mustard and silver Moore type sculpted body (H3D)

    Sexy in the street is not good!

    Anyway, AF was fast enough and the only issue (besides, ok not the best composition; the store was 5x5!

    was the better ISO I needed for the poorer DOF and shutter speed (though having the customer a little OOF I liked!

    Victor
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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    I agree that everyone has their own needs, so we should not try to justify why one system is any better than another. I also use multiple systems for exactly this reason.

    Here is one reason why I still like my Contax 645. It allows me to use a compact, portable (and inexpensive) TTL ring flash. With the built-in flash meter of the Contax 645, the image is pretty much nailed with the first shot. In many situations, I just don't have the time, space nor luxury of setting up any diffusers and panels, and in many cases this little ring flash saves the day.

    I don't know of any other autofocus medium format system, whether 645 or 66, that can do this. The TTL ring flash is even more useful in macro situations, to provide even illumination and avoid harsh shadows at such close range.

    Here is an example of my setup (sorry for the poor quality as I just snapped it with a cheap digicam). Of course, it is easily hand holdable with just the flash bracket.
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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    Here is an example of how easy it is to remove annoying shadows, by using a TTL ring flash on the Contax. The first image was taken with the TTL ring flash system as I show above. The second image shows the use of a "normal" shoe mount flash. With just one shoe mount flash, it is impossible to eliminate the shadows. You would need at least two such flashes (and perhaps some diffusers) to do the same job as this one ring flash.

    Of course, you could use this flash system with other cameras, including the Mamiya, but you would not get the same advantages of TTL flash metering like with the Contax.

    Again, the Contax is not the best camera for every situation, but it does have its advantages, and is just another tool when needed.

    By the way, this was only an example to illustrate a point. This was taken near some windows, which are the cause of the other reflections that you see in the vase.
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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    Of course, the TTL ring flash does a decent job in backlit portrait situations, and without causing any shadows under the eyes.
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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    When you say TTL ring flash are you talking about the now discontinued Sunpak DX-12? I've been looking for one of those for my Rollei 6008. Are there any other choices?
    Thanks,
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    Nice example.
    Now, if we could just get Sinar to paint their back black....

    but seriously, With the sinar on the contax it is defineitely studiosville. not a street camera.
    yet with any Phase (and I DO like the high ISO performance of the emotions backs, and the files are quite good) it is just such an amateurish looking design.

    Sorry Theirry, it is. Compared to any other back, for all its performance it looks like it was designed by...

    oh never mind, just let them know that as some point out here; if you are a fish, different tools for different pools!

    you can't take an emotion swimming in a Provencal market. Like a fish out of water

    (Talk about multiple mixed metaphors.

    By the same token, maybe they need more room, spend more on board design.. certainly shown in lower noise, but would this prevent me from buying for street and travel?, this color and design?
    YOU BET!


    for fashion, studio, landscape, wildlife would I buy it?

    YOU BET!

    Victor

    PS: In describing the first Linn Sondeck, one of the cheapest and best and most touted of record turntables, it was described as 'having been designed in a Bronx garage."
    Linn is now one of the top high audio companies. Sinar is doing is right; get the fundamentals ahead of the competition, then fix the secondary characteristics. However, fixed, for some applications, they must be.

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Buying "Zeiss Optics" will not make your images look like Irakly's. It's the use of light.

    Buy a Lumoflex and spend your money on one of his "creative" seminars ... you'll be the better for it
    I use Hensel Integra Pro Plus in my studio. Of course, I will be glad to attend, but I'm not in the USA.

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by EH21 View Post
    When you say TTL ring flash are you talking about the now discontinued Sunpak DX-12? I've been looking for one of those for my Rollei 6008. Are there any other choices?
    Thanks,
    Eric
    Hi Eric,

    Yes, it is the Sunpak DX-12. I am not sure if it is discontinued or not. I got mine about a year ago (brand new in store). If it is now discontinued, it is a shame because it works like a charm on the Contax.

    I checked the DX-12 manual, and there is no TTL support for the Rollei 6008. It does look like you would be able to use it in non-TTL mode with a PC sync cord via the STD-1 adapter.

    I looked long and hard, and could not find any other portable (TTL or not) ring flashes that would fit the larger lens sizes for medium format.

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by EH21 View Post
    When you say TTL ring flash are you talking about the now discontinued Sunpak DX-12? I've been looking for one of those for my Rollei 6008. Are there any other choices?
    Thanks,
    Eric
    was going to ask as well, I usually rely on bounce flash and close the second fill flash on my Contax 380. For event shooting (black tie affairs etc. ) you gotta look cool, not like a softball tourney photographer with gaffer tape all over!

    however a simple BLACK (got that Sinar, BLACK, as in SChwartz, noir, cherney, nero, SI DAM) ring flash of any sort would work.

    Victor
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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by gogopix View Post
    was going to ask as well, I usually rely on bounce flash and close the second fill flash on my Contax 380. For event shooting (black tie affairs etc. ) you gotta look cool, not like a hick softball tourney photographer with gaffer tape all over!

    however a simple BLACK (got that Sinar, BLACK, as in SChwartz, noir, cherney, nero, SI DAM) ring flash of any sort would work.

    Victor
    Victor, I think you mean to comment on the color of the digital back, not the ring flash. Everything is black in the setup that I show, except for the sinar back, which is that Sinar green color. I agree, that I would also prefer a black back, but people facing the camera never really notice nor comment on the color of the back. Wait until you see the color of the Hasselblad CF backs...

    Also, bounce flash does not fix the shadow problems in my previous posts.

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    I like black gear or very dark grey. This is gear not a fashion show. LOL
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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by David Klepacki View Post
    I agree that everyone has their own needs, so we should not try to justify why one system is any better than another. I also use multiple systems for exactly this reason.

    Here is one reason why I still like my Contax 645. It allows me to use a compact, portable (and inexpensive) TTL ring flash. With the built-in flash meter of the Contax 645, the image is pretty much nailed with the first shot. In many situations, I just don't have the time, space nor luxury of setting up any diffusers and panels, and in many cases this little ring flash saves the day.

    I don't know of any other autofocus medium format system, whether 645 or 66, that can do this. The TTL ring flash is even more useful in macro situations, to provide even illumination and avoid harsh shadows at such close range.

    Here is an example of my setup (sorry for the poor quality as I just snapped it with a cheap digicam). Of course, it is easily hand holdable with just the flash bracket.
    Nice rig.

    FYI, the current Hasselblad H2F has a built-in flash meter, is digital compatible with CF backs (and anyone else who bothers to make an adapter), which in turn can be used on any other MF camera via an iAdapter system ... except my freaking 203FE with FE lenses ... LOL.

    Which begs the question why it couldn't if the Sinar can?

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Nice rig.

    FYI, the current Hasselblad H2F has a built-in flash meter, is digital compatible with CF backs (and anyone else who bothers to make an adapter), which in turn can be used on any other MF camera via an iAdapter system ... except my freaking 203FE with FE lenses ... LOL.

    Which begs the question why it couldn't if the Sinar can?
    Yeah, this ring flash is just so lightweight and easily fits into any pack because it is so thin. I checked the accessory list, and there is an adapter for Hasselblad cameras, but the annotation is vague. For Hasselblad, it says it will work with 500ELX, 503CX, 553ELX and any other TTL capable model. So, I can't be sure if it would work on the H2F or 203FE. I do not have this adapter, so I cannot check it for you.

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by David Klepacki View Post
    Yeah, this ring flash is just so lightweight and easily fits into any pack because it is so thin. I checked the accessory list, and there is an adapter for Hasselblad cameras, but the annotation is vague. For Hasselblad, it says it will work with 500ELX, 503CX, 553ELX and any other TTL capable model. So, I can't be sure if it would work on the H2F or 203FE. I do not have this adapter, so I cannot check it for you.
    Thanks David, connections for that ring flash adapter to Hasselblad are probably the dual sync cord type that plug into the leaf shutter sync port on the C lenses and the side TTL port on those TTL bodies, up to and including the 503CW ... they are all the same. The H system uses a Metz module system and there are no sync ports on the HC lenses.

    I currently use 2 different Ring Lights for MF work ... Profoto and Hensel.

    The Profoto is large, and primarily a studio unit. I use it as much for aux. lighting as I do as a "Ring Light" with the camera mounted in it since it is very flat and can be layed under a translucent white cove for bottom lighting. Very versatile with many different reflectors available.

    The Hensel is a bit smaller and made of Carbon fiber with a built-in handle. I use that one for location work with a Hensel Porty package.

    Neither are as compact and portable as the unit you show. For non-commercial highly mobile applications I use a Canon ring light with a 1DsMKIII which is similar in configuration to your unit. Nice for Macro Fill.

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by gogopix View Post
    was going to ask as well, I usually rely on bounce flash and close the second fill flash on my Contax 380. For event shooting (black tie affairs etc. ) you gotta look cool, not like a softball tourney photographer with gaffer tape all over!

    however a simple BLACK (got that Sinar, BLACK, as in SChwartz, noir, cherney, nero, SI DAM) ring flash of any sort would work.

    Victor
    Looks like there could be a nice "Cottage Industry" refinishing Sinar and Hasselblad CF backs to be ... black ... LOL!

    The best looking backs on a Contax 645 that I've seen to date are the Phase one units ... Irakly's set up looks like the camera and back where made for one another ... and no battery hanging off the bottom of the back like the Leaf units. Nice industrial design.

    The CFV back looks exactly like a Hasselblad film back on a 200 or 500 series camera, chrome and all ... if only they had made a 22 meg version this time around. Rats !!!

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    I think the Contax is a very pretty camara - and yes I agree that the Phase One backs look as if they were made for the Contax. Very much enjoying the 80 f2.

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    Re: Contax 645Hi,

    here's another nice black system
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