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    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    This is why I do not count the S System a MF system.
    so the P21, P30, H31, P40 and all the other crop 1.3 digital backs aren't MF as well or what? Look at the sensor size...

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Try to make 80"x100" prints from a S2 and you will see the difference compared to a 50 or 60MP back - I am VERY convinced - PERIOD!
    beeing convinced and having experience is a huge difference... obviously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thomas View Post
    so the P21, P30, H31, P40 and all the other crop 1.3 digital backs aren't MF as well or what? Look at the sensor size...

    beeing convinced and having experience is a huge difference... obviously.
    What is your experience with the S2????

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    Peter, your statement is pure fiction. None of us have seen such a comparison. Why don't you wait a few extra days until the S2 is out to make such statements? It just discredits you.
    Simple physics and basic mathematics, nothing else you need for that

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    I think this whole thread is polarizing. It's not owners speaking, and is opinion supported by hearsay ... "I know a lot of photographers that say..." negative crap further supported by vendors selling another brand.

    I wonder what the reaction would be if I started a thread about how truly terrible the history of Mamiya products have been ... IMO as a former owner as experienced first hand ... and "according to a lot of photographers I know" ... with Phase desperately trying to shore themselves up by band-aids on the only camera they could couple with for survival after Contax went belly up and Hassey and Rollei/Hy6 locked them out ?

    I could go on and on and on and on about Mamiya ... but I won't ... because it's polarizing and hearsay and demonstrates how dumb this sort of thing is. I will say IMO it is one of the ugliest, most ungainly looking cameras ever designed even if it is black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    I think this whole thread is polarizing. It's not owners speaking, and is opinion supported by hearsay ... "I know a lot of photographers that say..." negative crap further supported by vendors selling another brand.

    I wonder what the reaction would be if I started a thread about how truly terrible the history of Mamiya products have been ... IMO as a former owner as experienced first hand ... and "according to a lot of photographers I know" ... with Phase desperately trying to shore themselves up by band-aids on the only camera they could couple with for survival after Contax went belly up and Hassey and Rollei/Hy6 locked them out ?

    I could go on and on and on and on about Mamiya ... but I won't ... because it's polarizing and hearsay and demonstrates how dumb this sort of thing is. I will say IMO it is one of the ugliest, most ungainly looking cameras ever designed even if it is black.

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    So Marc,

    if you want a beuatiful camera, then I would say the S2 is your product of choice

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    Re: The Hasselblad H Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    So Marc,

    if you want a beuatiful camera, then I would say the S2 is your product of choice
    The look of the gear is a "lite" issue.

    But the H3 that others don't like looks okay to me. The design itself is compact and pleasing to my eye.

    The S2 is a very good example of industrial design ... it is a very nice looking camera.

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    Once again, Marc, you bring wisdom, maturity, and REAL experience to a thread gone wild. Thanks.

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    I think I need a third espresso. LOL
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    I think I need a third espresso. LOL
    Me too

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    Re: The Hasselblad H Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by s.agar View Post
    Do you really think Carsten is biased towards Phamiya? I hadn't noticed that.
    Thanks for your informative message.

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    No I dont think Carsten is biased towards Phamiya he just wishes that Hasselblad was better able to satisfy his expectations. Nothing wrong with that.

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    I would phrase it slightly differently: I wish Hasselblad would take better care of their existing customer base during difficult transitions.

    I have no particular interest in Phase or Mamiya, other than to say that adding a Phase back to my Contax 645 remains an open option for the future, especially now that Sinar has pulled out of the digital back market (at least they don't seem to release new backs any more).
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    This place gives me a headache. Whining, bitching, crying - never ends.

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    Re: The Hasselblad H Discussion Thread

    Heck, I'm in Chicago and the hotel doesn't even have espresso available in the early AM ... just low test regular Joe in a paper cup ...

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    Re: The Hasselblad H Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by gdphotography View Post
    This place gives me a headache. Whining, bitching, crying - never ends.
    And none of it has to do with actually taking photos

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    And none of it has to do with actually taking photos
    Of course not.

    I use my cameras to take pics. I think that is a novel idea in here. A shame though as Hasselblad's take great images as do Phase, Leica, Mamiya, Arca-Swiss, etc. It is surprising to me that people that appreciate the potential of medium and large format camera's can't seemingly get passed the nit picky annoyances that every single thing in life have. Everything has a flaw and everything has limitations.

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    Let's all pick up Holgas then. Or go back to Canon...
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    Re: The Hasselblad H Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    I would phrase it slightly differently: I wish Hasselblad would take better care of their existing customer base during difficult transitions.

    I have no particular interest in Phase or Mamiya, other than to say that adding a Phase back to my Contax 645 remains an open option for the future, especially now that Sinar has pulled out of the digital back market (at least they don't seem to release new backs any more).
    As an existing customer I honestly do not know what you are talking about.

    Hasselblad has kept all my legacy gear working into the digital age.

    The new cameras are always total kits, not parts because of the integrated philosophy. If you don't like that philosophy don't buy Hasselblad.

    You as a non-owner have issues with the D lenses on a H4D/60 ... I as an owner do not ... it's not like I didn't know going in. I made the choice, and it works for me.

    What you may not know about are the many special promotions in support of existing customers. For example the CFV bundle that provided the new Zeiss 40IF for a fraction of the price if bought alone, or the H3D-II promo with an Image Bank and 28mm at close to reg. kit pricing.

    Different needs and desires lead to different expectations ... but it isn't like any of this info is a secret to those who buy any brand.

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    We can only speak for ourselves, you and I both, whether customers or not. There are people on all sides of these issues. I might have been a customer, had it not been for my perception of Hasselblad's past. I own two older Hasselblads and am very happy with them. Instead I opted for a Contax 645 with Sinar back.
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    We can only speak for ourselves, you and I both, whether customers or not. There are people on all sides of these issues. I might have been a customer, had it not been for my perception of Hasselblad's past. I own two older Hasselblads and am very happy with them. Instead I opted for a Contax 645 with Sinar back.
    carsten I don't understand why you are so bitter about this.
    I actually don't agree with a lot of your points. I believe hasselblad made some choices which are smart. I don't really know how truly accurate their ultrafocus or whatever they call it is, but after moving over from Mamiya I've never had focusing problems. When using a Mamiya I was never sure if I hit the focus when I was shooting wide open. Had to tether and zoom in each time.
    If they had to lock out all legacy users for that, fine by me.

    There are only two manufacturers left making backs. What does it matter that they lock their competitor out? If their whole system is convincing enough then it'll just convince people to buy a H system. that makes good business sense.

    The fact that you talk about getting a Contax says a lot. Have you used a Contax next to a Hassy? The Contax looks nice. But autofocus, battery life, viewfinder, all the practical things that photographers actually care about, are problems.

    Hassy made a 35-90mm lens. No one else offers this. So it crops abit on a H3d-60. I doubt most people care. How many people will buy the H3d 60? most people I know are looking at the cropped frame H due to price point/sufficient megapixels.
    If the crop is an issue, get a 50-110mm.nice lens, good quality.

    Hassy's smart, they increased their unique selling points. They're the most innovative medium format camera company out there now and continue to innovate with a system that professionals can trust on a job, and I hope they continue in that vein

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    Jing, I am not bitter. I would have been if I had owned a 203FE when Hasselblad went H, or if I had owned an H2+Phase back when the H3D (II?) came out, or if I had owned a HCD28 or HCD35-90 with the H3DII-39 when the 50 and 60 were announced, but I didn't. As I wrote earlier, it gives me pause to see a company behave this way.

    The fact that you are willing to accept Hasselblad ditching legacy users (whether V or H2+Phase, or 28/35-90 owners) as long as they solve your problem is eye-opening to me. for those about to protest, yes, they have since made partial amends.

    You are right; today it doesn't matter any more. All the systems are essentially closed. No big deal. But how we got there does matter, at least to me.

    I don't have the pressure of a pro, so the Contax is actually a really nice camera. It still has some of the best lenses, I focus manually most of the time anyway, battery life is a non-issue (I carry extras, which are not large or heavy), and the somewhat dim viewfinder is easily fixed with a screen from Maxwell. There are no problems with the system for me. For others, different story. Btw, I don't talk about buying one; I have owned one for nearly a year now.

    You call Hasselblad the most innovative system out there. Today I agree, although the Hy6 is certainly a contender. Once the S2 is out, I no longer agree.
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    I don't have the pressure of a pro, so the Contax is actually a really nice camera. It still has some of the best lenses, I focus manually most of the time anyway, battery life is a non-issue (I carry extras, which are not large or heavy), and the somewhat dim viewfinder is easily fixed with a screen from Maxwell. There are no problems with the system for me. For others, different story. Btw, I don't talk about buying one; I have owned one for nearly a year now.

    Carsten love ya but you are talking about compromises that others deal with the Contax system also and this same type of issues are with any other system. Honestly your fighting a brick wall because the same reasons you chose Contax/Sinar are the same systems. There is no perfect system and if you think the S2 is it great but i can tell you right now it is not and it has not even hit the streets yet. It's loaded with compromises just like any system. Sex sells and the damn thing is sexy but it will NOT solve everyones worldly system problems. You may not have the pressure on you but but people that work with these daily are facing death in the face everyday and this stuff needs to work it may not be ideal for sure but getting the image to the sensor is the bottom line . If we lose 5 percent we lose 5 percent. If the shutter lag is the the ****s well we better learn to be on top of that one also. If you sync to only 1/125 than you better bring some real juice to the party for outside fill. Bottom line we solve problems on a minute by minute basis. you need to know what you are buying and know the limitations of it because you will ALWAYS face some work around with any system or any job you are facing. Obviously we can argue this till the cows come home and wait for calfs to be born but in the end it won't solve a damn thing. Marc still has to go out and fight with his Hassy and i still have to go out and wrestler with my Phase to get the image we want. I don't know maybe I'm one of those that just buy and shoot and figure it out but sit and complain about it does me absolutely no good. Just wait until the S2 comes out sure you will have 35mm folks wetting there pants over it and the Sinar , Hassy, leaf and Phase shooters will say what exactly " We told you so ". Hell that won't buy me a loaf of bread, what will buy me groceries if the damn thing works and produces images , does not break down , does not spend 6 months in a repair shop and a million other oh ****s. Frankly innovative means absolutely nothing if you can't produce a winner for the end user. Your using a old not made anymore Contax and so are other working Pro's why because it works. Not because it is innovative. Bells and whistle don't take images they will help the brain behind the camera free there artistic abilities and even that is a stretch if you have a million buttons to deal with.

    These MF system are simple and people still can't over the fact I spend this much money on this damn thing and the LCD sucks. Well how many freaking times have we heard that one just because you spent 30 grand people expect it to make popcorn and drive you to the movies in all honesty that is the real bottom line issue is the money spent on these things and people just want to whine they did not include the corkscrew. Personally I have lost total interest debating these points because the end of the day when I wake up my camera will still be the one I went to bed with and i will go out and make my money with it come hell or high water but seriously I have no interest in complaining but i do have a huge interest in help these companies build a better mouse trap and that is where i chose to spend my time is talking about ways to improve it if that is in public or private than than is what will benefit me and other end users the most. Not to point fingers at any one particular forum outside of here not only will I not post anymore but i can't even read it anymore it is so jaded with crap. I don't have a answer for you sure Hassy may have done things different or Phase could have went down a different path and Sinar could have actually worked the US better and leaf could have maybe hung in there a little longer but it is what it is and not sure whatever we decide one way or the other has a damn influence on it.

    I'm going in make some popcorn and watch football. Please no offense to anyone or anything at all. Just my afternoon ramble
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    ...and people just want to whine they did not include the corkscrew.
    LOL!

    Best line in this rather sad thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    Jing, I am not bitter. I would have been if I had owned a 203FE when Hasselblad went H, or if I had owned an H2+Phase back when the H3D (II?) came out, or if I had owned a HCD28 or HCD35-90 with the H3DII-39 when the 50 and 60 were announced, but I didn't. As I wrote earlier, it gives me pause to see a company behave this way.

    The fact that you are willing to accept Hasselblad ditching legacy users (whether V or H2+Phase, or 28/35-90 owners) as long as they solve your problem is eye-opening to me. for those about to protest, yes, they have since made partial amends.

    You are right; today it doesn't matter any more. All the systems are essentially closed. No big deal. But how we got there does matter, at least to me.

    I don't have the pressure of a pro, so the Contax is actually a really nice camera. It still has some of the best lenses, I focus manually most of the time anyway, battery life is a non-issue (I carry extras, which are not large or heavy), and the somewhat dim viewfinder is easily fixed with a screen from Maxwell. There are no problems with the system for me. For others, different story. Btw, I don't talk about buying one; I have owned one for nearly a year now.

    You call Hasselblad the most innovative system out there. Today I agree, although the Hy6 is certainly a contender. Once the S2 is out, I no longer agree.
    I'm sorry but isn't that a double standard? Ask the folks that had a fortune in R gear what they think about Leica dumping the system in favor of the S2? People like me and my DMR which were suddenly abandoned.

    The Contax is a fine camera, but now you are making excuses for your choice ... a camera from a company that suddenly abandoned it's customer base and left them with a dead-end system ... people like me ... again.

    Hy6/AFi was a good system ... but Leaf screwed every current Aptus owner by locking out their OWN owners from using a Hy6 .... and left them dangling in the wind ... people like ME again!!!!

    Hasselblad has been the ONLY one that hasn't stuck it to me.

    BTW, the HD lenses fully work on the H4D/50.

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    Guy, I am not fighting a battle at all. I made an off-the-cuff remark in another thread, and not wanting to invade that thread any more, I started this one. Since then, I have been responding to one post after another. All of what I am posting is only my opinion, I keep stressing that. All of what I am posting is just thoughts about Hasselblad. I loved the old Hasselblad, and I am not so keen on the new one, although their system is impressive in several ways. I don't have the pressure of being a pro, which frees me up to consider systems like the Contax. I really like the Contax a lot, but it is a dead system, I know.

    I am quite happy for people to stop poking sticks at me so that I can become a part of the woodwork, like I used to be I will respond to direct comments, but will not take it any further. I think I stated my position in post 1 in this thread, and everything since then has not really been necessary, except that it is a dialogue, and as long as it continues, and as long as it involves me, I will respond.

    Btw, I don't think that the S2 will be a killer camera for everyone. I think it is rather cleverly aimed at a non-trivial crack between 35mm and MF, and I think it can succeed. I expect the lenses to be as good as or better than any other 645 DLSR system, but time will show if I am right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jingq View Post
    The Contax looks nice. But autofocus, battery life, viewfinder, all the practical things that photographers actually care about, are problems.
    it has a vertical grip
    oh, and it's black

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    I understand not exactly poking sticks at you nor do i think anyone really else is but it is the industry and how these companies are viewed by the public that to some folks is just frustrating to hear on a daily basis . Ithink truly what most are saying here is there frustration in these matters, we have to work with these and we yes have to struggle throught it sometimes and maybe the last thing people want to hear is negative comments on it on a running dialog how screwed up Hassy is and phase can't get a leaf lens out the door . You know that list goes on forever and ever and that is what you are seeing on this thread. No one is specifically saying anything bad at you directly but just the issue at hand. Most of us understand your points but companies make decisions based sometime more on revenue than end users needs or wants and that is something for end users find hard to understand as well.

    hey also I shot the V stuff for years and loved and was not thrilled over the H either but right or wrong that was there direction

    Also you know end of the day when we hit the bed we don't want any hurt feelings around here either so please don't feel like that. Again we all spent 30 grand and want the corkscrew too. LOL
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    Re: The Hasselblad H Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by thomas View Post
    it has a vertical grip
    oh, and it's black
    Thank you for the humor Thomas and it is a nice vertical grip. LOL
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    Marc, you again make some good points, but I do have some replies.

    Not making the R is similar to not making the V, you are right. I see some small differences, though. I think the X-Pan is more like the R. It was a non-profitable system which was terminated with an apology. Leica did state right away that there would be an attempt to give R lens owners a way to use their lenses. It took much longer for Hasselblad to try to make any kind of transition for their V owners. Anyway, I am not going to argue that point beyond that.

    About the Contax, different situation. You know how complex the situation was there. Anyway, I make no excuses for the owners, I simply bought that camera when it was already dead, knowingly.

    Yes, Leaf's move was also nasty. I have no excuse for them either. I have never said that Hasselblad was the only MF company making weird moves. I also find Phase's politics peculiar, to say the least. My particular comment *happened* to be about Hasselblad in that other thread, nothing more.

    I presume you mean HCD. Yes, they work, but not completely, in that the outer areas of the image aren't usable to a certain extent. I don't really think you have a point here. By the time the 35-90 was coming out, surely Hasselblad must have known internally that the "new FF" business was going to have to go away. They still haven't really patched that mess up. It doesn't happen to have bothered you, but others aren't so lucky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Thank you for the humor Thomas and it is a nice vertical grip. LOL
    yes a very nice - black - vertical grip.
    you can buy black batteries as well to prevent a shock when you open the grip.
    sadly they made a blue camera strap

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    Re: The Hasselblad H Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    Marc, you again make some good points, but I do have some replies.

    Not making the R is similar to not making the V, you are right. I see some small differences, though. I think the X-Pan is more like the R. It was a non-profitable system which was terminated with an apology. Leica did state right away that there would be an attempt to give R lens owners a way to use their lenses. It took much longer for Hasselblad to try to make any kind of transition for their V owners. Anyway, I am not going to argue that point beyond that.

    About the Contax, different situation. You know how complex the situation was there. Anyway, I make no excuses for the owners, I simply bought that camera when it was already dead, knowingly.

    Yes, Leaf's move was also nasty. I have no excuse for them either. I have never said that Hasselblad was the only MF company making weird moves. I also find Phase's politics peculiar, to say the least. My particular comment *happened* to be about Hasselblad in that other thread, nothing more.

    I presume you mean HCD. Yes, they work, but not completely, in that the outer areas of the image aren't usable to a certain extent. I don't really think you have a point here. By the time the 35-90 was coming out, surely Hasselblad must have known internally that the "new FF" business was going to have to go away. They still haven't really patched that mess up. It doesn't happen to have bothered you, but others aren't so lucky.
    Read what you wrote: The HD4/50 that you referred to along with the H4D/60 is not a full frame sensor, only the H4D/60 is ... the HCD lenses fully work on the new H4D/50 version just as they do currently. Hassey has left that decision to the customer. I don't care about a 5% loss if I get the 60.

    As Guy says, none of these systems are perfect ... those that actually use them learn the strengths and weaknesses and make it work ... my feelings about cameras aren't theory, they are based on delivery of the goods and I have to say that my Hassey's have delivered, and I haven't been left flapping in the wind with a dead-end system.

    If you just wanted to air your negative opinion and wanted no responses you should have said so up front ... not that that would have stopped me

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    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    I would phrase it slightly differently: I wish Hasselblad would take better care of their existing customer base during difficult transitions.
    Not H related per se, but I do think Hasselbald took pretty good care of the V-system owners by developing the CFV16 and now the CFV39 backs. They had no obligation to provide a film to digital back transition for V-system owners...and yet they did and continue to improve it. Sure, we'd all love to have the full frame 6x6 sensor, but for many of us (CFV-16 owner here) it's a welcome alternative to shooting film with legacy Hasselblad systems.

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    ...Or go back to Canon...
    Hey, I resemble that comment! Nothing wrong with Canon that a Hasselblad won't fix...right?

    One thing's for sure, if I were to buy a 35mm, full frame, 20+ megapixel Canon DSLR I'd have to sell my Hasselblad CFV-16 right quick....since it's not a REAL medium format digital back.

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    Ask the folks that had a fortune in R gear what they think about Leica dumping the system in favor of the S2?
    Yeah...and I'm still pissed off about that one! No matter how good the S2 may or may not be, a digital R10 would have been THE RIGHT THING TO DO Leica and I'm sure there will be some folks (Carsten wannabes) who will never forgive you.

    But before I get too worked up about it, I guess I'd better check my receipts from KEH and make sure I bought the R8 system BEFORE Leica announced the R system was dead.

    Ah what the heck, the R8's a nice film camera anyways.

    Always interesting to come into a thread like this one at the end....it's a totally different perspective. The words of a Bob Dylan song keep bouncing around in my head right now.....something along the lines of "It's all good folks, it's all good."

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    and I am pissed off at Leica for their treatment of my R gear is well. That is why I left them and bought into Hasselblad. I was hoping for a 22 mpx R10 and instead got a 37 mpxl S2 that leaves my R lenses without a digital home. Hasselblad at least left a door open for V users. Leica slammed the door and kicked us in the nuts. So, why in the hell would I support their S2?? Not me.

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    The XPan was abandoned due to changes in European environment laws regarding the use of Mercury in soldering. The market was not big enough for a rework of the whole camera electronics...especially since it coincided with massive leap forward in digi back technology.

    the lenses where in fact the first co-operation between Fuji and Hasselblad. They are so good that it was this quality that made me initially commit to the H1 system.

    As an aside - the Xpan is a great system I regretted selling my first set-up so much I bought a complete system from Woody - and still use it. One of the never to sell camera systems I am lucky enough to have.

    The larger chips we have today allow for a nice panoramic crop in digital form - making the Xpan redundant in may ways but as a film camera using 35mm - it is a great travel kit for those so inclined. The bokeh from the 45 and 90 mm lenses makes for outstanding environmental portraits in panoramic mode - sans the usual distortion of 35mm wides - wilst teh sharpness of the lenses makes for a great landscape panoramic shooter using emulsion. I have used this system with great reults for street shooting in panoramic format - where teh lack of distortion delivers a very different perspective to the usual forced wides.

    I have had similar experiences to Marc with Leaf - in fact the dealer lying to me flat out about the backs being able to be used with the coming Hy6/Afi system - the only reason I actually bought a Leaf - that company has ZERO credibility with me.

    Dont get me started on the Leica R system. I pretty much collected every lens that company made,being reassured constantly by self confessed 'insiders' in this forum who were apparently assured themselves by high up company people @ Leica about the coming R10. I no longer listen to fan boys or company insiders or intenet BS abotu what is coming.

    Exiting that system cost me a lot and is the primary reason I dont already have an order for an S2 system - a system btw which I am very skeptical about.

    On the other hand Hasselblad has delivered constantly in terms of total system integration and improved backs - just a few years ago there was no doubt that Imacon was second to Leaf and Phase in terms of quality - now no longer the case.

    The only naughty thing Hasselblad ever did was slashing the prices of the 39 megapixel back. However the benefits of an intergrated system in terms of DAC and now focus lock - and Phocus and HTS etc etc etc..far outweigh ny negatives.

    I bought a CFV11 to use with a 205Tcc and a fast MF lenses - this will be traded soon enough for a CFV-39 an absolute bargain back - once again keeping alive the V system.

    Hasselblad is a great company - which makes the best total package MF SLR system out there. I hope that others continue to catch up and even jump over Hasselblad - it would be good to see this level of delivery in a reinvigorated market.

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    Dont get me started on the Leica R system. I pretty much collected every lens that company made,being reassured constantly by self confessed 'insiders' in this forum who were apparently assured themselves by high up company people @ Leica about the coming R10. I no longer listen to fan boys or company insiders or intenet BS abotu what is coming.

    Whoever you listened too was just as shocked as every other R owner. That one came out of the blue with not a warning in sight. Personally they never breathed a word to me or anyone else for that matter. For this one look straight ahead at the leica logo. The S2 was a major secret. And what followed on the R came from space. They changed direction just like a lot of companies do and main reason now most companies do what Apple does announce than deliver immediately . Nikon, Canon, Phase and hassy do this and now the M9 but not the S2 and certainly the R was not expected by anyone . For that one Peter you can talk directly to Leica about, want there number. Believe me no one whispered in your ear about the R going away because no one knew about it.

    BTW just for the record i was not shooting any Leica gear when the R announcement came about so i had no clue what leica was up too. I learned of the s2 just like everyone else. I was already into Phase gear a long time at that point
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    All water under the bridge as far as I am concerned Guy, I never count the cost of money down the drain- and what I say is based on my experiences - the information is right here on the Leica forum for anyone who wants to search and look. Merely put on the table in order to put some perspective out there - every company has a 'history' of less than perfect delivery - Hasselblad ( and Phase One ) are clean skins compared to Leica and Leaf and others. People should take care who they do business with.

    Sorry if you have a problem with this - I am just stating the facts. Without the sugar blowing up anyones behind.

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    The H2 works fine.
    I'm not sure if anyone noticed but with a firmware update you're actually able to use the HCD lenses on the H2 and H1.

    "Firmware version 081222.hbf is a combined firmware package for the H-series camera body, adding support for the following new products:

    * HTS1.5
    * HCD 35-90 zoom lens
    * DC Power Grip

    Version 081222.hbf for the H-series camera body, contains the following firmware versions:

    Product Camera Body
    H3DII, H3D, H2D 2.1.0
    H1D, H1, H2 9.5.0
    H2F 1.1.0"

    Hasselblad is weird. They shoot themselves in the foot first, and then silently backtrack without much fanfare. Hasselblad reps, can you please be abit more aggressive and pushy.

    First on the HCD lenses issue, then on the upgrade program (after they've already slashed prices mind you)

    So you can continue using your phase back with your H2. I don't see how this would affect you.


    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    Jing, I am not bitter. I would have been if I had owned a 203FE when Hasselblad went H, or if I had owned an H2+Phase back when the H3D (II?) came out, or if I had owned a HCD28 or HCD35-90 with the H3DII-39 when the 50 and 60 were announced, but I didn't. As I wrote earlier, it gives me pause to see a company behave this way.

    The fact that you are willing to accept Hasselblad ditching legacy users (whether V or H2+Phase, or 28/35-90 owners) as long as they solve your problem is eye-opening to me. for those about to protest, yes, they have since made partial amends.

    You are right; today it doesn't matter any more. All the systems are essentially closed. No big deal. But how we got there does matter, at least to me.

    I don't have the pressure of a pro, so the Contax is actually a really nice camera. It still has some of the best lenses, I focus manually most of the time anyway, battery life is a non-issue (I carry extras, which are not large or heavy), and the somewhat dim viewfinder is easily fixed with a screen from Maxwell. There are no problems with the system for me. For others, different story. Btw, I don't talk about buying one; I have owned one for nearly a year now.

    You call Hasselblad the most innovative system out there. Today I agree, although the Hy6 is certainly a contender. Once the S2 is out, I no longer agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jingq View Post
    So you can continue using your phase back with your H2. I don't see how this would affect you.
    Then you probably forgot to think about the future. Everyone wants to move up at some point, to the latest back, the latest camera. The only way forward in the Hasselblad system is all-Hasselblad.

    It is an intelligent move from Hasselblad, like their decisions so often are. My quarrel was with how they did it, catching a lot of people off-guard.
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    Sorry Jing Q (and Carsten)

    I think you have misunderstood. HCD lenses are compatible with H2F+CF Back, H2D's and H3D's.

    We still of course release firmware updates for the H1, H2 so users can use the newer equipment like the HTS, DC power grip etc etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    Then you probably forgot to think about the future. Everyone wants to move up at some point, to the latest back, the latest camera. The only way forward in the Hasselblad system is all-Hasselblad.

    It is an intelligent move from Hasselblad, like their decisions so often are. My quarrel was with how they did it, catching a lot of people off-guard.
    What is then actually the difference to Leica S2 ???? Everyone who wants to move upward is stuck to the S System - all Leica.

    There is one caveat though - if there is no way up, then of course it does not matter ......

    Typical thinking of a Leica Fanboy

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    I guess you haven't been following the discussion, Peter. Even the post you quote has the answer to the question: it is not that they did this, but HOW they did it.

    Please stop with this fanboy bull****. We all like our own equipment.
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    Re: The Hasselblad H Discussion Thread

    Carster,
    Are you complainning because Hasselblad don't make digital back for you camera?

    Canon, nikon don't do it either.

    I have the hassy hd3-50 as I have 35mm lens I din't need the 28 I have 50-110 I don't need the 35-90

    I got the 80-150 and 300 so I don't need the 50-100-120- or 210.

    I like to have the,HTS 1.5 tilt and shift adapter, but I don't know how is work.

    I was ready to try, but they cancel when I was ready to look for my self,.( I think they cancel because I'm spanish, and they were white),(I can't wait to contact obama, maybe he invite as for a cognac to the white house).

    But serious why you just don't go with phase, if they make back for your camera?,

    even so I think the hassy is better.

    I just don't understand why you complain about hassy only.
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    Actually, I am not complaining. I have a system and I am happy. I made a comment, that's all. Since then, I have been spending a lot of time answering various comments from people who mostly skimmed my previous postings, which held the answers to the questions they asked.

    I also don't like Phase's politics, and if you look in other threads in the archives, you will see why. I don't give a **** (saving the cuss-to-star program some work there and typing the stars in directly) about Canon. I don't like their politics, I don't like their cameras, I don't like their lenses and I don't like their results. I don't like Nikon results much either, nor most of their lenses, but I like their cameras and respect the company. Saving you some trouble, I don't like Sony much as a company, but respect what they are trying to do with the 35mm DSLR range.

    My main point here is that of the 4 current MF companies, three treat their customers shockingly poorly from time to time, and the last one is in financial hardship. I welcome Leica to the mix, and hope that their system can show the path forwards in one or two ways, and that it will reinvigorate the MF segment, which has been stagnant for almost ever.
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    I'm an H2/Phase 65+ user. First hasselblad I had was the 503 V system which I loved. I'm heavily invested my H equipment today, including hoarding an extra H2 body which I bought when you could still purchase them. I have always loved Hasselblad cameras and lenses and was not happy when the company decided to close their system. With that said, I also love my P65+ and would not change to the H digital backs. Not only does the 65+ produce incredible images it has the option of Sensor + which I thought I would NEVER EVER use...in fact I joked at the thought of shooting 15 megapixels on a 60 megapixel back. Well the joke's on me. I use sensor + frequently and the resulting images are really gorgeous...and this is something coming from someone who never shot over 100 iso (50 when possible). Eleanor

    PS-- actually I'm glad to have an "H" thread here, as I tired to join the Hasselblad sponsored forum and I was not allowed in because I didn't have an H digital back.

    Quote Originally Posted by thomas View Post
    actually the systems are not great. Alltogther. All systems are missing certain acessories or lenses or whatever.
    "Great" are some of the lenses, the IQ, the look.
    As to "mature and advanced" I really have to say (as a Phase user) that Hasselblad clearly seems to be much more advanced than P1 (camera wise). They have different view finders (for me this would be very important), they calibrate the digital backs to the bodies and correct AF for focus shift. The new APL (?) feature is certainly interessting as well. I don't know if all these features work great, I'd assume they do to some extend, but there is simply nothing comparable from Phase (again: I'm talking about the camera side).
    I use a Contax and focus manually all the time - so all this is not an issue for me personally. But if I would need AF I'd certainly consider Hasselblad rather than P1 (or an S2 ... if it finally works).

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    Right, and so I think the time is right for me to bow out and contribute to other threads. The negative aspects of my comments went for too long anyway. Have fun, H-ers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    Actually, I am not complaining. I have a system and I am happy. I made a comment, that's all. Since then, I have been spending a lot of time answering various comments from people who mostly skimmed my previous postings, which held the answers to the questions they asked.

    I also don't like Phase's politics, and if you look in other threads in the archives, you will see why. I don't give a **** (saving the cuss-to-star program some work there and typing the stars in directly) about Canon. I don't like their politics, I don't like their cameras, I don't like their lenses and I don't like their results. I don't like Nikon results much either, nor most of their lenses, but I like their cameras and respect the company. Saving you some trouble, I don't like Sony much as a company, but respect what they are trying to do with the 35mm DSLR range.

    My main point here is that of the 4 current MF companies, three treat their customers shockingly poorly from time to time, and the last one is in financial hardship. I welcome Leica to the mix, and hope that their system can show the path forwards in one or two ways, and that it will reinvigorate the MF segment, which has been stagnant for almost ever.
    Carsten I think you are the victim of internet whining and their are thousands of very happy end users that happily shoot their gear without a peep. Seriously I read the forums too and it is the same folks day in and day out that are relentless on these companies be it fair or not you are hearing from a very small group of people. If your are not a direct customer to these companies than how do you really know if the whining has any basis behind it. Nothing is perfect and yes you will hear the whining but do you honestly believe everything you read or hear. My theory believe about 25 percent of what you read unless you really trust someones opinion and more important there subjectivity.
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    Isn't it strange what the likes and dislikes of this system or that system are, some of them are very small. It's also strange what pops into ones head when one sees something new, take the Leica S2, for some reason "Early Learning Centre, My First Camera" popped into my head, I've no idea why
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    Guy, I have personal extensive experience just with Canon, Leica and Sinar. My IQ comments relate mostly to these brands. I have a number of friends with Nikon gear, and I see the results they get too, so I can make some qualified comments there.

    The rest of my comments are about politics, not gear. The politics are out in the open for everyone to see and comment on. I ended up with the brands that I have partly due to the wonky politics in the MF world.
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    Re: The Hasselblad H Discussion Thread

    This thread, to me, resembles what I read so often on DPReview or sometimes on the LUF.

    Please guys, we have something special here. let's not turn it into a look alike of all those other threads most of us abandoned when GetDPI became available.

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