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Okay MAMIYA 645AFD shooters, share your Lens knowledge..Please!!

KETCH ROSSI

New member
Hi guys,

I'm getting a P30+ to start in to the MF and it will come with a Phase One 645 Af (mamiya 645AFD III) which I'll be upgrading to the newly announced Phase One DF as soon as my dealer will get one.

I know everything there is to know and more about all Canon "L" series glass and nothing about the Mamiya Glass, all I know that most of the people I know that use Mamiya, praise their high image quality.

So what I like for you is to share which are the best and which I should stay away from, please base your replays on proven facts and personal experience, or experiences reported to you by people you trust, not interested in links, I have read everything out there.

Obviously I already have my wish list on all "D" glass and on the newly announced ones, I avoid zooms all together, but share them as well.

I mostly like to know if the ULD type Mamiya glass is much worst then the "D" marked one, since in comparison is less money.

Thanks in advance and look forward to this Mamiya Lens Porn discussions with you.

Ciao,

Ketch Rossi
 

Guy Mancuso

Administrator, Instructor
Okay P30+ owner my setup all D glass 28,45,80 and 150. Great set covers a very nice range. Now there are new leaf shutter lenses coming 55,80 and 110 all 2.8 . So may want to think about that with high sync at 1/800. Otherwise the focal plane is 1/125 sync
 

KETCH ROSSI

New member
Thanks Guy,

this is exactly why I posted, want to use and need to use the absolute Best glass, but at the same time with the new one just announced, I don't want to invest in all the "D" glass if I can get great quality form the standard glass, buy it used, then resell it and get the nee announced Glass.

So any toughs on which ones to get or not to get would be great, if the none "D" is not up to the task of producing the same stunning images as the "D" glass then forget it, but if it is a question of faster or slower auto focus and such then no problem, I care about Image quality now, then with the new lenses I'll have it all :) I hope!
 

Jack

Sr. Administrator
Staff member
The 75-150 zoom is excellent, and select copies of the older 55-110 and 105-210 can be very good. 55AF is generally excellent, but 45 AF's don't usually cut it on full-frame -- however, may be just fine with your crop P30+. Ditto 35. 80 D is excellent, 150 2.8 D is perhaps the best lens I have ever owned period -- it is stunningly excellent. Older 150/3.5 is also very good, and excellent once stopped down a few. 120 Macro is excellent, 210 ULD is excellent, and 300 is stellar.
 

KETCH ROSSI

New member
Thanks Jack,

yes for now if the lenses are purchased at a reasonable price used, its okay as far as they fulfill the needs of the P30+ when I'll upgrade to the P65+ I'm sure I'll already have all the new lenses as well.
 

kdphotography

Well-known member
The other reason that the P30+ is in the "sweet spot" is that any softness in the corners will not be part of the image with the slight crop of this MFDB....

75-150 and the 150 D series are on my camera the most; 120 macro is very sharp. 35mm is excellent. Most all are pretty good, with the 45mm (older gen) and 55-110--- imho, being the weakest links, though good copies abound. Really can't miss with the new D series; all eyes are on the new leaf shutter lenses being released....

Guy has a 300mm for sale, I believe, which is a nice lens to have.
 

Christopher

Active member
Can just comment on the glass on a P65. 45D really good, 80D perfect, 150D perfect, 75-150 not so sure here. Found the corners not to good, but perhaps I just tried a bad copy.
 

KETCH ROSSI

New member
Thanks Christopher,

I imagine that been the same glass, it would hold truth for the new bodies as swell.

The zoom I really prefer not use any ways.
 

Christopher

Active member
I really hope Phase gives us a good zoom in the near future. Something like a 45-90. Doesn't have to be a fast lens, but should be prime quality, like Leica or Zeiss. Well a remodeled 55-110 would be good as well, even though I prefer 45-90.

As far as the 28 goes, I think it's a crap lens. At least on the P65 and the two I tried. Especially after considering that it is still quite expensive.

For me I own right now the 45,80 and 150 with the Phase system and a 23,40,90,150 with my large format camera. I am really thinking about selling the phase stuff, but probably wait and test the new body. Nothing wrong with it, the stuff is great, I just have the problem that, if I want the best of the best I pick up the large format camera and for everything else a Leica or my Canon. (Here is the though again, that a 45-90 zoom would be great)
 

vieri

Well-known member
Hey Ketch, first of all welcome to Phase World :D as a new user myself, I got the 28 D & 80 D so far (waiting for a 150 D to be delivered next week) and I can say that they both are amazing on my P45+. My previous experience is with Hassy V (on film) & briefly Mamiya RB (on film), all sort of Nikon glass on film & digital, Leica glass on film & (briefly) digital: I can say that the 28 is probably the best ~20mm FOV (compared to 135 format) bar none, while the 80 is up there with the best normals on Leica and beats everything MF I have seen. I am looking forward to the 150 D which is supposed to be fantastic, and am looking forward to the leaf shutter lenses! Sync @ 1/125 is not too cool, and having the 80 & 110 being able to sync up to 1/800 will be just great.
 

Guy Mancuso

Administrator, Instructor
Vieri the 150 comes with a warning put some dirty glasses on to cut the sharpness or you may just slice your eyes. It's that good. Now on the 28mm I love mine and it is a extremely good copy but on the FF P65+ there is some softness in those corners . Here is where C1 comes to the rescue they have under lens corrections corner sharpness and it does help it a great deal but it's a better lens on the P45 and P40 sizing. With the 65 you just may have to crop a little that is if you want very critical sharp corners. This lens also needs to be focused correctly.You are better off focusing close and carry ing further than focusing out and hoping DOF will get the foreground. Jack and I both have noticed this and it is not known by many. So you really want to focus on the first third of a landscape say instead of the middle ground or infinity. BTW Helicon focus is a great program for any MF system to gain DOF . Now not mentioned here is the 300mm AF which is very good . I just sold mine but it is very sharp wide open . I been through 2 of them and will get a third in a couple months when I get some more money. I need it for 2 big jobs a year and make sure I have it than.

Also keep in mind the new LS glass coming out . Nice to have at least one lens that can do 1/800 sync speed and they come in flavors of 55,80 and 110. My eye is on the 55 and 110.

Ketch since you are new to C1 and thePhase system love for you to make the workshop in Oregon . CI will be there with all of there gear to demo and we are teaching C1 version 5 the latest unreleased version. I have the beta and it's very nice.

I agree with Chris a mid range zoom would be very handy in a D flavor
 

Jack

Sr. Administrator
Staff member
A note on the 75-150D and 28D and 55-110 and 35 --- I had to try several copies of each to get really good ones. IIRC, I went through 3 of the 55-110, 4 of the 35's, 3 28's and just 2 75-150's... At present, my 28 is very good, but I've seen one that's a teeny bit better, and it's basically perfect -- so they can be found. Point here is just like a lot of Canon lenses, not all are perfect out of the box and these high-resolution digital cameras show every flaw readily...
 

KETCH ROSSI

New member
Thanks guys, I surely appreciate all your inputs.

I'm a bit worried about this inconsistencies issues with glass that is not all that cheap, especially on the 28, and more so on the 35 which would be more likely something I would get, no real need at this time for the UW 28.

I really try to steer clear of zooms, even so they do have their use but I prefer Primes, any way here again comes the concern with the no so great copies floating around, which I could end up buying one especially when buying used ones :( not a good prospect.

WEll for now with the P30+ being slightly smaller sensor size the corner defects should definitely be less pronounced if any, the P65+ I sure understand how some lenses, more so on the UW side, they might not cover the full Circle of such large sensor even so, same as they are saying about the 28 on the new Hassy H4D-60.

Btw, Guy thanks for the invite, will see how we are doing, that would be a good excuse to escape the desert of Las Vegas and all this half naked ladies around me all the time, I need some air too you know!:D:angel:
 

Guy Mancuso

Administrator, Instructor
Yes on the 35mm lens you may have to go through one to find a sweetie. I had a good one and Jack did also finally . The P30+ will certainly help on glass as it is cropping the corners so it may not be a issue now but obviously jumping to a P65 it may. Obviously the P65 will be hard on the 28 and 35 and certainly are better on the P30 , P45 size. Honestly if you go P65 at some point in life a tech camera is really what your going to want for it to gain as much as you can from it. They only lens I would get new is the 28mm from the CI folks since if it is not a good copy they will take it back and get another. I actually bought mine new from them myself and the 150mm. Since you are buying the P30+ from them obviously a good choice to get some lenses from them as well. Believe me they are one of the best dealers around or we would not use them and also not invite them to our workshops either. They are good folks that care, I know that sounded like a plug but was not meant to be. But I have had a great experience with them and continue to also. If it was me right now buy your D glass there any anything used here on the forum and such. That's me though
 

KETCH ROSSI

New member
Advise well taken Guy :) and yes the guys over at Integration do rock, but I didn't conclude the sale as of yet, I have two other systems, one of which from Digital Transitions NY, but I do favor the deal with Integration as I like Steve and He was very helpful in more then one way to accommodate me, so monday morning will know.

Either way, my only issue with new glass is that now, and for the next two months, this is my pocket cash I'm spending, not my companies, so till early next year there can not be much spending, then P65+ and new glass of every Focal, but the reason I'm getting a P30+ now is to play with the system for this two months, so that later when fully upgrading and spending a considerable amount of my companies funds, I will have already got the much needed experience with in the MF medium,
 

Guy Mancuso

Administrator, Instructor
You could do some used lenses than like a 150 3.5 which is great stopped down some. Depends on your needs obviously. Wish i could afford the P40 right now it would be all over for both of us. LOL
 
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