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F%$#%$! I just tried out the Leaf Aptus II 6 CRAZY!! So confused???

KETCH ROSSI

KETCH ROSSI

New member
Okay guys, this MF systems are really driving me nuts!!

I started been pushed towards the H3D II systems by my buddies which wanted me to also have the same camera, then I made my decision to go with Phase, also do to the fact that every one I was dealing with pending deals to buy one decided to retract their sale after Hassy upgrade announcement, and actually pretty much will be closing a deal tomorrow, with one of three great deals offered to me by the Phase guys, but now just after having played with a visitor's Leaf Aptus II 6 I was amazed at the UI of the DB, the speed, and beautiful screen size, images on the 30" cinema display were simply stunning right off the camera (sorry can'r post any, they were not my images).

So now more confused then ever!!

What is worst is that while Hasselblad guys and Phase guys were truly amazing on how good they were in providing answers and directions, favoring a bit the Phase guys, as simply they literally overwhelmed me with assistance till they found me not one but three P1 systems, proving to have an incredible service and determination to make their prospected clients happy and make them their clients, so really CUDOS to Phase One guys for that.

So much so that now I fill even a bit guilty in asking questions for assistance from the Leaf guys, but I just loved the way those images look, as well as the interface of the DB, the larger screen, wireless Tethered etc. but the Photographer really had no time to talk to me, as He was three hours late in to the shoot, and literally shot, give the cards to his assistant, and left.


I know only that some fear the recent take over from Phase to be a ??? point to were they will be left with their Leaf systems, but I hope to get some serious well informed ray of answers and advises on the Leaf system, as I failed miserably to get any info any were on the net and from Leaf directly, as their list of so called Specialist have either changed their info or knew little to nothing about it that I didn't already know by reading Leaf's brochures.


So now is it going to be the P30+ or the Leaf Aptus II 6-:confused::confused:


Thanks in advance for your participation in this discussion thread, and please Phase guys don't hate me for wanting more info before making this jump.
 
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Guy Mancuso

Guy Mancuso

Administrator, Instructor
Agree with Thomas your absolute two best sources is Yair ( yaya) and Steve Hendrix at CI.

You did not fall very far from the tree thinking Leaf. LOL
 
KETCH ROSSI

KETCH ROSSI

New member
Yeah Steve steered me towards P1 and He did find me one of those three deals I'm talking about, and a great one too.

Not sure if I did or didn't PM Yair.

Edit: now I did :)
 
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Guy Mancuso

Guy Mancuso

Administrator, Instructor
One nice thing about Leaf is it will be usable with C1 here real soon with Version 5 coming out. I really like Capture One for processing
 
KETCH ROSSI

KETCH ROSSI

New member
Yeah it is definitely going to be C1 for me no matter the DB system I get, already have LR2 on sale here :).

Btw, Guy if you can share more info about C1-5 it would be great, and I'm on a MAC running SL.
 
Guy Mancuso

Guy Mancuso

Administrator, Instructor
Well it's beta right now but this part has come out on the streets

It will be available on October 28th (hopefully)

- All present Leaf cameras will be compatible but no word on older ones. (my guess would be yes though)
- Live Preview is back
- Focus tool is improved with multiple focus points and small focus window and can float.
- Focus Mask tool , works like exposure warning but highlights areas that have sharpness in each thumbnail
- Metadata now has unlimited customizable entries
- Dust eraser in raws
- Uniform Light tool replaces LCC's and is applied. Also fixes up to 4 stops of falloff!
- Indivdual RBG channel mods is back
- Vignetting on crops
- strong Watermark tool
- Simplified and corrected Importer from CF cards with activity monitor (yes, you guys will be happy with this)
- Customizable tabs. You can eliminate all the tabs if you want to or add new ones.
- Local "apply all" on each tool
- improved noise reduction
- Session tab pull down menu added

It's certainly nicer than Version 4.8.3 and it does support Leaf. Any more than that they may shoot me. LOL

Improved is a under statement and yes it runs on a Mac with SL which is what I have also.
 
KETCH ROSSI

KETCH ROSSI

New member
Great Guy!!

Yeah if I was to go with the Leaf it would not be nothing below or older then the Leaf Aptus II 6 to then move to the 10.
 
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ddk

Guest
I'm a Leaf guy, not sure what kind of information you're looking for?

I went through the same thing exactly a year ago and ended up buying into Leaf. I wasn't considering Hasselblad but between Phase and Leaf preferred the skin tones and tonal qualities of the Leaf files over Phase's. Software was another issue, while there are quite a few people enamored with C1, I didn't like it and found the Leaf software easier to use but ultimately it was the Leaf files that won me over.

I'm not worried about servicing, Mac group still support Leaf and will continue to do so, they're selling rebadged Leaf backs as Mamiya so I don't see them closing down their repair dept., and Phase will support the newer Leaf backs so we're covered for now.

Let me know if you need other information, I might be able to help.
 
KETCH ROSSI

KETCH ROSSI

New member
Thanks David,

while I only observed files which were sent to me from a P1 P30+, impressive no doubt, but I too was literally blown away by how Leaf manages to deliver the files with a some how different tones and a quality of DR that I had not seen before, skin tones for me are the most important aspect of my back as I shoot mainly People, well actually I should say Females :).

I sure liked the larger screen and was just not explained much of nothing of how the Leaf DB works vs. the P30+, as far as thethering and how the wireless works, sync speeds, long exposure time duration and how such shooting modes are handled by the sensor, etc.

I must say that the difference in Image size vs. the P30+ concerns me a bit but not too much as we are only talking 3MP difference, but it is extremely important how Leaf handles retouching and enlarging for extremely large prints.

So any info you can share is greatly appreciated David.
 
KETCH ROSSI

KETCH ROSSI

New member
Good Guy!

Edit: Btw, Guy, any knowledge of what upgrade path would be given to those that get the C1 4 Pro now?

Thanks Yair.
 
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thomas

New member
KETCH ROSSI said:
Good Guy!any knowledge of what upgrade path would be given to those that get the C1 4 Pro now?
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Pro comes with 1 free upgrade AFAIK ("upgrade" is referring to a major upgrade. Incremental updates within the same version - 4.5, 4.6, 4.7 ... - are free). You can run C1 in "DB" mode. It's the same as Pro but doesn't support DSLRs. So if you need the DSLR support you should use the DB version for the next 2 or 3 weeks and then buy V5 pro... so you'll safe 1 upgrade.
 
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ddk

Guest
KETCH ROSSI said:
Thanks David,

while I only observed files which were sent to me from a P1 P30+, impressive no doubt, but I too was literally blown away by how Leaf manages to deliver the files with a some how different tones and a quality of DR that I had not seen before, skin tones for me are the most important aspect of my back as I shoot mainly People, well actually I should say Females :).
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My entire portfolio is only nudes, both male and female, so skin tones are extremely important to me; even if you don't see it in my pbase galleries. I shoot a lot of couples and need the skin tones to have depth and look natural. Leaf trumped Phase in that department for me. The canned profiles in Leaf Capture are excellent and I think that they were originally designed by Kodak which always had the best skin tones out of all digital cameras. But even in PS I get fantastic skin tones with my Leaf backs; I have 3!

KETCH ROSSI said:
I sure liked the larger screen and was just not explained much of nothing of how the Leaf DB works vs. the P30+, as far as thethering and how the wireless works, sync speeds, long exposure time duration and how such shooting modes are handled by the sensor, etc.
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The larger screen is nice but it doesn't make a huge difference in actual use compared to the Phase back. I never tried the wireless option so no comment but tethering is very straight forward as is with the Phase. Sync speed depends on your camera and lenses for both backs. Long exposure for Leaf is 30 seconds and longer for Phase.

KETCH ROSSI said:
I must say that the difference in Image size vs. the P30+ concerns me a bit but not too much as we are only talking 3MP difference, but it is extremely important how Leaf handles retouching and enlarging for extremely large prints.
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Extremely well, both backs create very thick files the can easily handle a lot of processing and enlarging. The big difference here is the great tones and imo superior tonal range and depth of Leaf files straight out of the camera compared to the Phase; otherwise one can get used to the software and ergonomics of either company.
 
atanabe

atanabe

Member
Have you rented a system and tried it out on a shoot to see if the system "fits" you? While getting advice and opinions from everyone is very helpful and appreciated, in the end you are the one who is going to be making a living from your decision. It can be a VERY expensive mistake!

See if any of the dealers that you are talking to will let you rent the setup and if you buy it from them, credit you the rental against purchase price. This way you can get the feel of the equipment and make an educated choice on how the equipment fits your workflow. Trying out the camera in the store is one thing, putting it through your studio workflow is another. I like to use the suit analogy, just because everyone says buy an Armani because it fits them so perfectly, when you put it on and do not look good in it then you have wasted your money.

After you try the systems and form your opinion on how the software interface works, how the images look to your eye for the type of lighting and setups that you do. Then ask about the individual brand's reliability etc of the group. In my opinion is the logical way to go.

Good luck
 
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