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DougDolde
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I have to agree there is nothing special about these images. Could be a Nikon or Canon for all I know.
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Thanks so much for posting these.
Sorry, but as much as I want to, I don't see the magic here that others apparently see
Not that there isn't any character, it's just not very Leica in character IMO. Everything I've seen so far from the S2 is technically excellent, but generally lacks a sense of the richness and depth that is the Leica hallmark. Maybe it doesn't translate to MFD ... but I have seen that special feel done with MFD that's just lacking to my eye with the S2 so far. The Pelican shot is very 2D looking for example like a cut out placed on a background ... maybe it's the lighting?
I opened some of the shots I did down in Florida on my main computer and even printed a few ... and that's what I see there also ... excellent resolution and technically superb files that lack Mojo, or whatever you want to call it.
I guess I need to see more before parting with the "war chest funds" I gathered to get this system ... as it stands, I'm all dressed up and have no place to go :ROTFL:
If someone processes some of these in C1 -v5 it'd be great to see them.
-Marc
Marc, to me it all depends on what one intends as "Leica character". If you consider the last generation of M lenses (the ASPH or the 90 APO), then we have it here as well - if what you have in mind is more like the old generation of glass, then I do agree with you: these samples are too technically perfect, too clinical, lack that glow & character that comes out of certain optical imperfections exploited to the max (coma = leica glow, etc).I have to agree there is nothing special about these images. Could be a Nikon or Canon for all I know.
I think it is more softer light than anything else on this series but I do agree Marc what we are seeing from these lenses is clinical in look. I mentioned this a long time ago but no one paid attention that this would be my fear. I will get some in c1 and see if they are somewhat different. These are slightly better than yours from a light standpoint but real LUX mojo is not in these. The detail seems to be there and looks to be coming from this type of sensor and size that is a given. More dissecting needed. LOLThanks so much for posting these.
Sorry, but as much as I want to, I don't see the magic here that others apparently see
Not that there isn't any character, it's just not very Leica in character IMO. Everything I've seen so far from the S2 is technically excellent, but generally lacks a sense of the richness and depth that is the Leica hallmark. Maybe it doesn't translate to MFD ... but I have seen that special feel done with MFD that's just lacking to my eye with the S2 so far. The Pelican shot is very 2D looking for example like a cut out placed on a background ... maybe it's the lighting?
I opened some of the shots I did down in Florida on my main computer and even printed a few ... and that's what I see there also ... excellent resolution and technically superb files that lack Mojo, or whatever you want to call it.
I guess I need to see more before parting with the "war chest funds" I gathered to get this system ... as it stands, I'm all dressed up and have no place to go :ROTFL:
If someone processes some of these in C1 -v5 it'd be great to see them.
-Marc
Thanks so much for posting these.
Sorry, but as much as I want to, I don't see the magic here that others apparently see
Not that there isn't any character, it's just not very Leica in character IMO. Everything I've seen so far from the S2 is technically excellent, but generally lacks a sense of the richness and depth that is the Leica hallmark. Maybe it doesn't translate to MFD ... but I have seen that special feel done with MFD that's just lacking to my eye with the S2 so far. The Pelican shot is very 2D looking for example like a cut out placed on a background ... maybe it's the lighting?
I opened some of the shots I did down in Florida on my main computer and even printed a few ... and that's what I see there also ... excellent resolution and technically superb files that lack Mojo, or whatever you want to call it.
I guess I need to see more before parting with the "war chest funds" I gathered to get this system ... as it stands, I'm all dressed up and have no place to go :ROTFL:
If someone processes some of these in C1 -v5 it'd be great to see them.
-Marc
This has sort of been my take on this whole thing. Not saying that it's "just a P25+" (I own one and like it), but just saying that David has sort of summed up how I feel so far. I do really like some elements of the S2 system, such as weather sealing, form-factor, etc. I'm not dishing it at all, just waiting for the "zing".I'm not sure that anyone sees any magic in these images, we're appreciating Mark's effort to share the raw files. In fact these images prove that one still needs the right technique when it comes to MF and there's no advantage to S2's dslr like qualities if you don't have it!
The more I see the more the files look like those from the P25+ that I tried.
Again, posting thoughts and images is MUCH appreciated!The P25 is a very nice back and owned one for quite awhile. It does not have the DR like the larger backs and 6.8 size so it is more crunchy if you know what I mean. It does have excellent color and saturation very much a Kodak sensor trademark and one I do like myself. I do agree David one needs all the right shooting elements and light and all that to produce great images. I don't think anyone disagree's on that and certainly appreciate Marks efforts very much. Still think there is no buy decision on this system yet though for us pixel peepers and such.
But that's Irakly not the equipment! And the Contax glass has its own mojo...Again, posting thoughts and images is MUCH appreciated!
Guy, I think on a pixel peeping basis it's a winner. I have my images on a 30" screen and it's got all the technical stuff. Not just the few I posted from my lap top ... but in other light also ... I shot 170 frames and not all of them were in that same light.
By character, I don't necessarily mean old Leica ... I'm using the newer lenses on a M9 and a lot of it isn't all that clinical unless you DO pixel peep. There is still that Leica character with a sense of depth and all that. POP, Mojo, that Leica something that you know when you see it and miss it when you don't see it. Hard to explain. M has it, DMR has it ...
Maybe it's to much to expect translating it up to MFD.
I need to see some "moody dark" stuff with a S2 ... like Irakly does all the time with his Contax and P25 or M8.
I'll keep watching,
-Marc
Steve,The problem I have is that I have yet to see any posts of a 100% crop out of a 640 ISO or 1250 ISO image. Mark, that tattoo parlour shot looks about right, but don't know what ISO it was shot at.
In addition to high ISO, it has to be a high ISO shot taken in an environment where you would typically use it, ie, room light, or late in the day natural light. I've seen high ISO samples from manufacturers taken at 1PM on sunny days and tossed them out. That is the best possible scenario for high ISO in terms of what the quality would be, but that is not how users would typically use it. Or rather, it does not demonstrate the quality that a user would see when used in lower light, shadowy conditions.
Steve Hendrix
Steve
I usually have my P30+ at 10 luminance and color 30 as my default
There is a weird gritty noise in the corners, but not close to the building. Is that JPG compression? What ISO is it at, and what was the exposure time like?Here is a crop (maybe not 100%) from the Tampa Skyline. I took the crop from the most demanding portion of the image. The sky was not totally dark as there were some low clouds which were reflecting the street lights. One last thing, I wouldn't get too concerned about the colors because I realized, after the fact, that I hadn't white balanced the photo. I chose to provide a crop from the full image as posted above with no changes other than the crop.