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    Dear Forum friends,

    I thought some might be interested in these newly available items from Alpa.

    First, the "PGS" ProGridScreen, is a new focus screen with 4mm grid etched in the glass. These grid markings are nicely visible but are very unobtrusive while trying to see your composition. But the main thing of note here is that the grain in this glass is almost non existent so critical focus with a loupe pops in and out of focus with no interference from a grainy glass. These are available as a complete kit with frame, GG and fresnel to fit any Alpa 12. Or the GG can be purchased separately for those that already have an older style Alpa GG kit.

    Secondly, Alpa has improved on their ingenious zero to 6 degree Tilt and Swing adapter by doubling its range to 12 degrees ( or as some would say 24 degree. 2 directions X 12) . It works exactly as the original does with short barrel lenses of 80mm focal lengths and longer. These are available now.

    These two new products along with the already announced LC software equals some pretty exciting times for old, new and future Alpa users all.

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    http://www.pdnonline.com/virtualtradeshow

    An interesting opportunity to have a live chat today and tomorrow with the people from Alpa....
    Somehow it doesn't surprise me that they are the only manufacturer in this segment doing this. It's called professional communication.

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    I would LOVE to have an ALPA tech camera and a few assorted lenses, but oh the prices!!! So it's going to have to be a "lowly" Cambo or Arca or Sinar for me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    I would LOVE to have an ALPA tech camera and a few assorted lenses, but oh the prices!!! So it's going to have to be a "lowly" Cambo or Arca or Sinar for me...
    I still think the 12 TC is a pretty affordable camera for the minimalist... but, yeah, once you get into the max and swa (and all the accessories), man the price moves up in a hurry!

    The alpa tech cameras seem to be the "Mies" chairs of photography, lol. You can believe that so little can cost so much until you try them (which I haven't... at least with Alpa ).

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    Have you seen the 12TC without anything on it? It is a frame, nothing more. The most expensive hole in the world I think one of the Optechs movies shows it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    Have you seen the 12TC without anything on it? It is a frame, nothing more. The most expensive hole in the world I think one of the Optechs movies shows it.
    Very much like the WRS.
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    [QUOTE=carstenw;161939]Have you seen the 12TC without anything on it? It is a frame, nothing more.

    yeah baby! that's what I'm talking about... sssiiimmmpppllleee.....

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    Paul - thanks for the info.
    You can add to the list of new products the soon to be released new handgrip for the TC which could be a nice improvement. I feel the current TC handgrip does not feel as good or as balanced as the grip on the WA or SWA.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    . . . but oh the prices!!!
    That's what I kept saying to myself but I just wouldn't listen!


    Carsten - Yes, perhaps the most expensive hole in the world but very refined. One example: The interior edge has baffles which I guess are there to prevent stray light from bouncing around. You can't get that with any ordinary hole! So if you want a hole with baffles it'll cost you extra!

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    A hole that does not allow light to escape?
    Man, what is its mass?
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    nice gold plated cable release connectors, no really!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelby Lewis View Post
    yeah baby! that's what I'm talking about... sssiiimmmpppllleee.....

    LOL Shelby. Alpa's motto is: "Things are simple at the top"

    The way you expressed it above does add some character to it - rolls off the tongue with more verve and flair!

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    [QUOTE=cmb_;161960]Paul - thanks for the info.
    You can add to the list of new products the soon to be released new handgrip for the TC which could be a nice improvement. I feel the current TC handgrip does not feel as good or as balanced as the grip on the WA or SWA.


    Thanks CMB,

    Here is a picture of the new grip. I think it looks fantastic. Should be available soon.... and thats how to build a better hole

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    I want one AGAIN. LOL
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    Does look pretty.
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    Don't get me wrong, that thing is pure sex (for Gary: camera), but the WRS is a bunch more attractive to me, for the T/S options, the handles, the price (!), and so on. For Alpa fans, note that "and", there is no "or" It will be a while until I go in that direction, if ever, but the WRS would be the primary candidate (unless I won the lottery and could afford an arTec). There is a WRS in my local Calumet and it looks really really nice.
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    SWA just dropped off my wish list...need a new grip for my TC!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    Don't get me wrong, that thing is pure sex (for Gary: camera), but the WRS is a bunch more attractive to me, for the T/S options, the handles, the price (!), and so on. For Alpa fans, note that "and", there is no "or" It will be a while until I go in that direction, if ever, but the WRS would be the primary candidate (unless I won the lottery and could afford an arTec). There is a WRS in my local Calumet and it looks really really nice.
    Carsten here is how I look at these tech cams personally . I have the system already with 28 through 150 at the moment, now I have the wrong back per say but not really, One reason to upgrade to the P40+ but anyway the real reason in my mind for any tech camera is WIDE ANGLE and wider than my 28mm. So if i ever go this route I want a 23mm but it's a 23mm do I really need to worry about tilt for DOF , heck I would just stop down to F16 and worst case do focus bracket. Now shift is a little different since i could be a higher angle and lower lens. But how much can you really shift a 23mm to make a big difference in look. Than you have a package to carry around along with all the other gear BUT a little TC with a 23mm on it and bam fits right in a lens section of your bag. Now this is Guy and what would be my idea of it plus a TC and one lens is not that bad price wise. To me this I would regard as cheating the real tech cam and it's prices. LOL
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    Re: New from Alpa

    And if you want to focus an ALPA, Kapture Group is developing a sliding back adapter that will allow mounting the back along with a (Maxwell) GG. Focus, then slide. It will also allow the back to be rotated from portrait to landscape without being removed. Keith at KG estimates two or three months for development of the adapter.

    A similar product for use with view cameras is here: http://www.kapturegroup.com/phase/phase.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by stephengilbert View Post
    And if you want to focus an ALPA, Kapture Group is developing a sliding back adapter that will allow mounting the back along with a (Maxwell) GG. Focus, then slide. It will also allow the back to be rotated from portrait to landscape without being removed. Keith at KG estimates two or three months for development of the adapter.

    A similar product for use with view cameras is here: http://www.kapturegroup.com/phase/phase.html
    After looking at my Alpas this sounds like a very bold statement. Seeing is believing. I'm curious about the outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephengilbert View Post
    And if you want to focus an ALPA, Kapture Group is developing a sliding back adapter that will allow mounting the back along with a (Maxwell) GG. Focus, then slide. It will also allow the back to be rotated from portrait to landscape without being removed. Keith at KG estimates two or three months for development of the adapter.

    A similar product for use with view cameras is here: http://www.kapturegroup.com/phase/phase.html
    this is interesting. alpa has always refused to do so because they claim that their high standards for accuracy cannot be satisfied by sliding adapters.
    i do recall a few years ago when i had a linhof...two weeks of work were ruined because the sliding adapter got somehow bent slightly.....
    curious about the capture group adapter though. maybe this will force alpa to rethink...
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    I must say I am getting more and more impressed by the Alpa lineup, I must admit I did not check prices so far

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    Paul,
    Thanks for the news. Let me know when the new grip for the 12TC is available I would be interested. I wonder how this Wooden grip would look on the 12TC Chrome version.
    Best Regards,
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    Re a sliding adapter for the ALPA, I agree that it isn't a simple thing, but it would be great if KG or ALPA were to make one available. It seems to me that one difficulty would be to make it shallow enough front to back to maintain the full range of focus. Not to mention those shims ALPA provides to obtain perfect fit. (Perhaps Doug can explain why they're needed; he's told me before, but ....)

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    Stephen you better have ordered that new grip bud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pham Minh Son View Post
    Paul,
    Thanks for the news. Let me know when the new grip for the 12TC is available I would be interested. I wonder how this Wooden grip would look on the 12TC Chrome version.
    Best Regards,
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    Hi Son,

    I think this will look great on your silver TC!! I will let you know when they arrive.

    Best Regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by stephengilbert View Post
    Re a sliding adapter for the ALPA, I agree that it isn't a simple thing, but it would be great if KG or ALPA were to make one available. It seems to me that one difficulty would be to make it shallow enough front to back to maintain the full range of focus. Not to mention those shims ALPA provides to obtain perfect fit. (Perhaps Doug can explain why they're needed; he's told me before, but ....)

    Steve
    Hi Steve,

    They are needed to offset the various different chip placements from the back manufacturers. I am trying to be say this as cautiously as possible. It is surprising to see how much variation there can be between two or more copies of a given back.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I want one AGAIN. LOL
    Guess you do... Or is it a WRS?

    Look at what a google search for "Cambo WRS" returns on page 1... funny enough the particular legend reads "Cambo Wide"...

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    Great find, Corlan.

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    I've used an Arca F-metric, then a Cambo WDS and now I have 2 Alpa bodies and 5 lenses. The system is great. The company is great. I have never wanted a sliding back with any camera. It's easier and faster to use the simple viewfinder and then just shoot and see where you are. The time involved to open the shutter and aperture and slide the back and get a viewing device in place is too long for my taste. You get to know your lenses and what they will do so the trial and error method works fast for me. Sliding backs are too big, too heavy and way too prone to trouble. So, yes, it is Simple at the Top, as they say. Just a happy customer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corlan F. View Post
    Guess you do... Or is it a WRS?

    Look at what a google search for "Cambo WRS" returns on page 1... funny enough the particular legend reads "Cambo Wide"...
    That is frigging hysterical!!!

    I took that shot of Guy like 4 years ago using HIS DMR and 180/2 R lens, first frame I ever shot with a DMR too. Not only that, I had to brush out a fencepost that was sticking out of his head when I created the avatar from it. Now, how it shows up in a "Cambo WRS" search is beyond me!
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    Pretty funny
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    OK Paul, so Alpa introduces new grip for TC and on their website they mention an additional wake-up grip that will be optimized for the individual backs from PHASE Hasselblad etc.

    The question is : since when does the H3D back need a wake-up cable...I have used mine for a very long time without. What gives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    OK Paul, so Alpa introduces new grip for TC and on their website they mention an additional wake-up grip that will be optimized for the individual backs from PHASE Hasselblad etc.

    The question is : since when does the H3D back need a wake-up cable...I have used mine for a very long time without. What gives?

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    Hi Bob,

    Some Hasselblad backs seem to have a timing issue when used used with an Alpa or any camera that requires a pc type cable to sync the lens to the digital back. This timing problem shows up as streaks or sometimes a pink cast in the image.

    One solution to this problem is a wake up cable or button as offered by Alpa. Another solution is the Kapture group one shot cable which essentially does the same thing.

    It seems that some Hasselblad users have this problem and others not. I don't why this is.

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    Re: New from Alpa

    Dirty little Confession:

    I have a set of Alpa shims ( of course) to go with the H adaptor I use. I have always looked at these with a combination of suspicion and fear. I do the arithmetic and ask myself - is it worth the trouble to go through the tedium of getting actuall 100% focus calibration on a certain day in a certain month at a certain aperture for a certain lens focussed on a certain distance? Will this level of perfection just make me uneasy about a different lens and a different aperture @ a different focus point?

    these questions bring up more questions - my strategy - avoid the hassle - cos I use wides @ between F8-11 with focus (usually) @ less than 5 meters givng a theoretical hyperfocal 'room for error' of so much it doesn't matter.

    better option for critical focus?

    now I am seriously considering the arTec - especially since (apparently) I can get it in Phase or H mount now. The artec allows me to use the Sinar sliding back system - which is very robust and a 3x loup (with inbuilt hood) on a glass to get critical 100% focus through my lens choice at any aperture - if I so desire.

    I will always keep my Alpa - because I can use the 12WA hand held at insanley slow shutter speeds - it is a great travel camera and street weapon - also - there is nothign sexier on the planet as far as camera gear goes - this is no smalll consideraiton. Finally - what I love the most about the Alpa?- it is a pure system - the photographer has no automation - only his or her brain. Quite refreshing actually.

    I dont like the Alpa tilt mechanism - it smacks of too much add on - and not enough inbult - not for me - matched to no elegant way to use focussing glass - without resorting to taking back off and putting back on? - sorry life is too short. for that sort of anal obsessivenes and downright high risk activity.

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    Re: New from Alpa

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    Hi Bob,

    Some Hasselblad backs seem to have a timing issue when used used with an Alpa or any camera that requires a pc type cable to sync the lens to the digital back. This timing problem shows up as streaks or sometimes a pink cast in the image.

    One solution to this problem is a wake up cable or button as offered by Alpa. Another solution is the Kapture group one shot cable which essentially does the same thing.

    It seems that some Hasselblad users have this problem and others not. I don't why this is.

    Best,
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    I have posted a threa don this issue a while back - and called it the pinky poos. Previously i thought it was a lens caste issue - requiring a shot be made through teh typical white perspex as a calibraton shot. i have never got around to testing - rather went through the pain of afert shot colour fixing.

    On reflection and after reading what you have to say Paul - I think that ther emay be (at times) a timing issue involved because I haev had shots totally lost to heavy pink and megenta - liek teh camera didnt want 6to make teh shot in teh fiorst place and when it did fire - I got that result.

    Frustratingly - I dont get teh pink magenta issue on every shot - most shots are just fine.

    However if you could give me some information (by link? or IM) on teh cable I should be using to remove this error I woudl be very grateful - I use an H3D11-39 back and connect the lens shutter to the back into its in port.

    Thanks
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    Re: New from Alpa

    Man, I keep trying to talk myself into buying an Alpa, but it's just not working. The 12 SWA is too limited (though really seductive). The 12 Max just doesn't have enough movements to replace my M2 and the 12 XY is just silly big.

    I keep thinking... maybe the SWA with a 28 could be my tall building camera... easier to deal with outside, easier to get that ultrawide lens focused... and soo sexy.

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    Re: New from Alpa

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Barrett View Post

    Hi, my name is Chris and I'm a Cameraholic.
    Cripes, don't you already own the latest Arca M-2 digital??? Seriously, that is at the top of my current lust-list.
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    OMGosh - apologies about the spelling in previous post! and too late to 'edit'..

    Chris - the max and XY are at least rock solid - does that mean anything to your shooting? -

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    LoL, Jack... I do love that M Line 2. It is pretty damn solid. I tested the runout last night and found the 70m of rise to produce a variance of less than .001" Shift was a little sloppier at just under .004" but pretty damn good for a view camera, and good enough to give me sharp images on the P65+.

    I'm guessing Peter is right that the Alpa's the most solid game in town, which is why I keep looking at them... just not flexible enough for everything I shoot.

    Hell, I'm just thankful that we all have so many great tools to choose from considering what a really small market mfdb is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    That is frigging hysterical!!!

    I took that shot of Guy like 4 years ago using HIS DMR and 180/2 R lens, first frame I ever shot with a DMR too. Not only that, I had to brush out a fencepost that was sticking out of his head when I created the avatar from it. Now, how it shows up in a "Cambo WRS" search is beyond me!
    Yeah, pretty neat And ironcreek/getdpi hog the hits for the WRS

    Google has really gone down the drain, IMO. I recall when it came out, and the first time I searched, bam!, 10 great hits on the first page. Next search, bam!, 10 more. Now I search for stuff with unusual spelling and it corrects it for me and includes hits for all kinds of shat I didn't search for, don't want to see, and can't turn off. I don't know what they are doing with the page rankings and search terms, but I am looking forward to the next serious competitor in the field to replace Google.
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    Well, there won't be any in the near future. It's a little off topic, but Google does still a good job, I mean I tried all other NEW stuff and the second I tried some more difficult search stuff they all failed horribly...

    The bigger Problem is that People are coding fu*** crap when creating web pages. I mean you just need to look at most of the code they use, sorry but it is just sad how lazy people are.

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    I think a lot of people don't have the time or inclination to learn how to code for the web, and so a lot of webpages are generated by various programs. I tried using iWeb once but when I looked at the generated code, I shelved that idea.
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    Re: New from Alpa

    Tag soup anyone?
    As a W3C participant, web coding is always an emotional bordering on a religious issue.
    Just for fun, I have posted a link[1] to the w3c web validator.
    Have fun...

    BTW, this page has 10 errors LOL
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    Re: New from Alpa

    I think the majority of the images shown were from the review differences between the WDS and WRS I had posted here and on my blog. I also noticed were on the top half of the page of the Google search for Cambo WRS. I had been following this earlier this year and saw that depending on the day, we came in on top of Cambo and Calumet at times.

    Oh just to be clear by we I mean Ironcreek and GetDpi. I think Jack and Guys avatar show up as they had both posted comments to the thread just goes to show how crazy Goggle handles its searches for images.

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    Yeah, google should honour DIV/TABLE cells more in their tagging.
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    lower case please :-) if declared as any form of xhtml in the doctype

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    I have posted a threa don this issue a while back - and called it the pinky poos.

    On reflection may be (at times) a timing issue involved
    Peter,

    It would be interesting to examine the shutter speeds at which you see the problem...and to ascertain that the menu setting was synced to a shutter speed that matches the lens setting in the future. Is there any speed at which back sync does not work or consistently creates pink magenta colors? If the menu setting is too far away from the lens setting you can get a problem.

    With regards to the wake-up cable I assume that it would be much less hassle to double tap....take two fairly close shots which is in effect what most of the wake-up cables do anyway. Kill any pink capture after the fact...

    I am of the opinion that the wake-up cable is one of the most inelegant solutions to this problem possible...which is why the new P65+ looks appealing as one can avoid the extra cable.

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    Peter,

    I am of the opinion that the wake-up cable is one of the most inelegant solutions to this problem possible...which is why the new P65+ looks appealing as one can avoid the extra cable.

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    I really liked how the P65+ let me drop the wakeup cable, however that comes at the expense of considerably greater battery consumption due to the lack of sleep mode. You do still have the option of choosing "normal latency" over "zero" and sticking with a wakeup cable if you think you'll be in the field all day without a charger at hand. Options, options, options...

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    Other issue with no wake-up on the P40/65+'s I've heard is noise build-up. If the back is live for more than a minute, it heats up, so the wake-up cable is still recommended for that as well as greater battery life...
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    Well, I heard that two, but I did not know that 4 months ago, now if I look at the noise at the time where I never used a wakeup cable and left the bag on for 10 or 15 minutes and now look at images shot after the back was turned on 10-15 seconds, I honestly can't tell a difference. Perhaps I have to do some side to side comparing, but I yet to see some ACTUAL proof of that noise statement. It remembers me a little of the DSLR live view / noise claims. I haven't seen any real confirmation for them as well. Perhaps when I'm back home I can do some more tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    Peter,

    It would be interesting to examine the shutter speeds at which you see the problem...and to ascertain that the menu setting was synced to a shutter speed that matches the lens setting in the future. Is there any speed at which back sync does not work or consistently creates pink magenta colors? If the menu setting is too far away from the lens setting you can get a problem.

    With regards to the wake-up cable I assume that it would be much less hassle to double tap....take two fairly close shots which is in effect what most of the wake-up cables do anyway. Kill any pink capture after the fact...

    I am of the opinion that the wake-up cable is one of the most inelegant solutions to this problem possible...which is why the new P65+ looks appealing as one can avoid the extra cable.

    Bob
    Bob - thanks for that thought - I was out doing some street shooting/Saturday morning coffee bacon and eggs - this morning with the Alpa ( I use the Imagebank11 as power source ) - and noticed @ f8-11 with the 35digitar I was pretty much stuck on 1/8th - 1/30th - I will check out the back sync settings and report back - as I am going out for some more shooting - just as soon as I can recharge a battery -

    Thanks for that info Jack - as you know I am seriously considering a P65+ at the moment - the Phamiya mount on the arTec was what I was waiting for - but will also consider the Hartblei as more information comes out - overall ergonomics and simplicty of use is a major factor for me in this consideration..

    battery consumption - I never get more than 50- 100 shots out of a single battery with any system

    Did I mention i just love shooting with the Alpa ?

    Pete

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