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    Re: Leaf

    Guy has requested a quick update on what Leaf is up to and about the current offerings;

    Starting with the website, it is now being updated daily with news from customers: projects, awards and most importantly images in the Gallery

    There are also RAW images available for download

    We're also active on Twitter with ongoing updates, you can follow us HERE

    Product wise, the current range consists of Aptus-II 10 (56MP), II 7 (33MP) II 6 (28MP) and II 5 (22MP at 6K EUR and 0.8 sec/ frame).
    The Phase One 645AF, DF and all the lenses and accessories as well as C1 5.0.X are also available from Leaf. Cameras are avilable separately or bundled with Aptus-II backs and 80mm lenses (FP or LS respectively).

    All the above backs shoot at ~ 1 fps or faster with no buffer, tethered or to a CF card and use FW800 for tethering.

    33MP and 28MP backs can also be bought as refurbished Aptus 75 and Aptus 65. These are a bit slower, with a lesser screen and FW400

    On the software side we have LC 11.2.9 which runs on SL in 64-bit and we have added Live View on the AFDII/ III and Phase One 645AF/DF range (was not available before). FWIW many still consider Leaf's Live View as the best in the MF market.

    Capture One 5.0.1 supports files from all Aptus-II and AFi-II backs (including reading Leaf's profiles and curves) and a future version will add tethered support.

    LC Remote app for iPhone and iPod Touch is expected to be on the app store in the next few weeks (already submitted to Apple for their final testing)

    For people who use "old" Aptus backs (pre Leaf Imaging) we offer extended 2-yr warranties which include taking the back in for a check n' clean and a firmware update so it can be kept up-to-date with future versions.

    Many Phase dealers have taken Leaf on as well which has kept me busy for the last 3 months, training everyone and bringing them up to speed on hardware and software. The support and logistics systems have been merged into the Phase One system. We'll also be moving into new premises early in the new year.

    There are a couple of new backs coming which I will have more news on soon.


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    Thank you for this, Yair.

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    Re: Leaf

    Thanks for the update. Just so that all the info is in one place, which mounts are supported for the various backs, what are their aspect ratios, and which can be bought with the internally rotating sensor?
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    Thanks Yair this is great stuff.
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    Re: Leaf

    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    Thanks for the update. Just so that all the info is in one place, which mounts are supported for the various backs, what are their aspect ratios, and which can be bought with the internally rotating sensor?
    28MP uses a Dalsa sensor at size of 44mm X 33mm

    22MP and 33MP use Dalsa sensors at size of 48mm X 36mm

    56MP uses a Dalsa sensor at size of 56mm X 36mm with SensorFlex technology (crop on the fly to 4:3 and 1:1 when tethered. WYSIWYG)

    You can download PDF with full spec of all backs from HERE

    At the moment none of these backs offer a rotating sensor. They are made in M, C, V and H mounts

    We make adapters for RZ, RB and 4X5 (Graflok):

    RZ: Mechanical mount with built in rotation for M, V and H backs
    RB: For V and M backs
    4X5: For all 4 mounts

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    Thanks, that's great. Not that I am thinking of upgrading soon, but if I did upgrade one day, one reason to choose Leaf would definitely be the option of having a rotating sensor on a V camera. Do you know if any such thing is planned?
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    Re: Leaf

    Quote Originally Posted by yaya View Post
    At the moment none of these backs offer a rotating sensor. They are made in M, C, V and H mounts
    We make adapters for RZ, RB and 4X5 (Graflok):
    Yair
    Am I reading this correctly... the new Leaf backs no longer mount to the Hy6?

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    Re: Leaf

    Quote Originally Posted by David K View Post
    Am I reading this correctly... the new Leaf backs no longer mount to the Hy6?
    That is correct.

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    Thanks for all the information. Nice to see information on other options.
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    Re: Leaf

    Thanks Yair.

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    Re: Leaf

    Is there a particular reason (that can be made public) that Leaf isn't giving even the option for the customer to order a new back and/or future backs in AFi mount? I know that F&H is dead and it is no longer feasible to sell the AFi system, but it is surprising quite another that you will not support the customers who spent all the money buying the AFi and lenses and accessories. I'll admit, I was not one of those people, but I did use a Hy6 and still use a 6008af with the Rollei lenses and had looked to Leaf as the best option if I decided to get back into MF digital..it is a bit disappointing that they are not going to at least allow you to buy a back in that mount...if you offer Contax, why not your own much more recently deceased camera system?
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    My guess is that this is since Leaf is now a Phase company. Selling backs to AFi users would perhaps decrease Mamiya/Phase body/lens sales, plus divert effort from the primary business. I still it would be the decent thing to do, but that is another matter.
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    Re: Leaf

    Quote Originally Posted by carstenw View Post
    My guess is that this is since Leaf is now a Phase company. Selling backs to AFi users would perhaps decrease Mamiya/Phase body/lens sales, plus divert effort from the primary business. I still it would be the decent thing to do, but that is another matter.

    My guess would be that while Leaf might want to offer upgrade paths for AFi customers who stick with the platform (and why wouldn't they?), it may be cost prohibitive to do so.

    The Leaf digital back for the AFi was never just an Aptus with an AFi mount, or just like an Aptus with a V mount. It used the same sensor, same LCD screen, but had a different chassis, different internal electronics. So I'm sure much more expense to keep this going than just the same Aptus back just with a different mount.

    Leaf does support camera platforms which are no longer in production, just as Phase One does - Contax, Hasselblad H, etc. But I'm betting there are many many more Contax users, for example, than AFi users on the planet. Let's say there are 200 AFi users out there with Leaf backs. That's a very small number of users to make production commitments to in the case some of them desire to upgrade at some point, which could be 3 - 5 - 7 years.

    I do still have Leaf users who are using the same digital back, whether it's a Valeo 11/17/22 or Aptus 17/22 from 5 - 7 years ago. So, AFi upgraders could be a very very small number on an annual basis.

    Regardless of Leaf's intentions, it could be economically unfeasible.

    I would think much would depend on what happens with the AFi/Hy6 platform, if it ever resurrects. I've heard rumors Rollei or Franke Heidecke may start back up at some point, but it's hard to say what their future is currently until there's more evidence of a rescue. But if they did find some way to continue, and the AFi/Hy6 production began again, perhaps that would be an impetus for Leaf to return to AFi digital back production.

    Just hypothesizing.


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    "There are a couple of new backs coming which I will have more news on soon."

    well that's very exciting

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    Re: Leaf

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Hendrix View Post
    My guess would be that while Leaf might want to offer upgrade paths for AFi customers who stick with the platform (and why wouldn't they?), it may be cost prohibitive to do so.

    The Leaf digital back for the AFi was never just an Aptus with an AFi mount, or just like an Aptus with a V mount. It used the same sensor, same LCD screen, but had a different chassis, different internal electronics. So I'm sure much more expense to keep this going than just the same Aptus back just with a different mount.

    Leaf does support camera platforms which are no longer in production, just as Phase One does - Contax, Hasselblad H, etc. But I'm betting there are many many more Contax users, for example, than AFi users on the planet. Let's say there are 200 AFi users out there with Leaf backs. That's a very small number of users to make production commitments to in the case some of them desire to upgrade at some point, which could be 3 - 5 - 7 years.

    I do still have Leaf users who are using the same digital back, whether it's a Valeo 11/17/22 or Aptus 17/22 from 5 - 7 years ago. So, AFi upgraders could be a very very small number on an annual basis.

    Regardless of Leaf's intentions, it could be economically unfeasible.

    I would think much would depend on what happens with the AFi/Hy6 platform, if it ever resurrects. I've heard rumors Rollei or Franke Heidecke may start back up at some point, but it's hard to say what their future is currently until there's more evidence of a rescue. But if they did find some way to continue, and the AFi/Hy6 production began again, perhaps that would be an impetus for Leaf to return to AFi digital back production.

    Just hypothesizing.


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    Thanks for the answer Steve, it makes a lot of sense. I did not realize that the AFi back itself was any different than the aptus backs other than in its mount. This would be different from the 54LV which I used, as it was identical on all platforms, barring the mount. I also understand that there are relatively few users, but I assumed that since they have already done all the technical and R&D work to design these mounts, it would be a very simply matter to continue to offer them. If they are substantially different from the aptus series, than the decision not to support them makes a bit more sense.

    Yair -- I am sorry if the answer seems like beating a dead horse to you. I did not realize you have answered it before. If it is such a common question, maybe that is an indication that it is something that Leaf customers and potential customers care a lot about....
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    As a long time Leaf guy I'm guessing Yair may have suggested this on more than one occasion... and it was beaten to death on at least four of them Pure speculation on my part. In any event, thank you for clarifying things Yair.

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    >Capture One 5.0.1 supports files from all Aptus-II and AFi-II backs (including reading Leaf's profiles and curves) and a future version will add tethered support.

    Good to know that. It means that I can use PC laptop to shoot Leaf tethered.

    Also, I try to find an online price for Leaf Aptus 5. But can only find the price in Euro. Does anyone know what is the USD price? I may consider one if the price is good.

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    Re: Leaf

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart Richardson View Post
    Thanks for the answer Steve, it makes a lot of sense. I did not realize that the AFi back itself was any different than the aptus backs other than in its mount. This would be different from the 54LV which I used, as it was identical on all platforms, barring the mount. I also understand that there are relatively few users, but I assumed that since they have already done all the technical and R&D work to design these mounts, it would be a very simply matter to continue to offer them. If they are substantially different from the aptus series, than the decision not to support them makes a bit more sense.

    Yair -- I am sorry if the answer seems like beating a dead horse to you. I did not realize you have answered it before. If it is such a common question, maybe that is an indication that it is something that Leaf customers and potential customers care a lot about....
    No worries Stuart (and Steve and David), sorry if my post came across as offensive.

    Actually I have never discussed this in public, however there were several threads here and over on LL during the last few months on this subject and a few magazines have published this info as well.

    The known facts are that the rights for the AFi/ Hy6 body belong to Leaf Imaging (A Phase One company) and as such, they will probably be of better use in designing other, future platforms, rather than in setting up a new manufacturing line, sourcing component vendors etc.
    IP for the lenses is likely split between F&H, Schneider and Zeiss and again to make them one will have to re-build a manufacturing line.

    The AFi backs utilised an advanced power management system as they were able to use the camera's own battery and/ or their own battery and/ or the computer's power. They shared only a few components with the Aptus-II backs so keeping production and R&D running for a relatively small install base is hard to justify.

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    Do you mean the IP rights for the AFI/Hy6 camera body, or rather for the AFI digital back (for mounting on the Hy6)?

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    Re: Leaf

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    Do you mean the IP rights for the AFI/Hy6 camera body, or rather for the AFI digital back (for mounting on the Hy6)?

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    Both, the latter is the more obvious one

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    Yair, nothing to apologize for... not a hint of offense in your post. While I would have liked to have had the option of a current Leaf back for my Hy6 I can see why it might be less than compelling for Phase to offer it. Just a shame that all the R&D that went into developing the AFI/Hy6 has had such disappointing results. With the benefit of hindsight I sure wish Phase would have been part of the original group that was able to use it. IMHO, it's a great camera with the ability to use superb lenses.

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    Yair, now I am confused. You mean that Phase One decided to pay for the AFi after all? All indications at the time were that they didn't really want to and saw nothing in it. And did you really mean to phrase it the way you did? You make it sound like Sinar doesn't own the Hy6 rights.

    I am guessing that the statement could be clarified as follows: Phase One/Leaf Imaging have the non-exclusive rights to manufacture and support the AFi camera. Is that right?
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    Yair, now I am confused. You mean that Phase One decided to pay for the AFi after all?
    I did not say that

    You make it sound like Sinar doesn't own the Hy6 rights
    Since this is a Leaf thread, I'd rather stay on topic, if possible. I guess Sinar can/ should answer this question. AFAIK Sinar is committed to support the AFi and Hy6 bodies and lenses.
    Actually I'd rather focus on current products rather than on discontinued ones...
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    Re: Leaf

    And as promised the Leaf Capture Remote software for the iPhone/ iPod Touch is now available FREE from the App Store and the server side is available for download from Leaf's website

    Enjoy!

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    Thanks very much for the explanation Yair...it helped very much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yaya View Post
    I did not say that


    Since this is a Leaf thread, I'd rather stay on topic, if possible. I guess Sinar can/ should answer this question. AFAIK Sinar is committed to support the AFi and Hy6 bodies and lenses.
    Actually I'd rather focus on current products rather than on discontinued ones...
    This here sounds a little bit like Leaf would not care that much about the customers from yesterday. I think however that this could be a mistake in a longer term. Yesterdays customers could be customers for tomorrow as well.
    But I think one would have to trust to get a longterm partner and not to be forced to buy a new camera body and lenses for each new back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t_streng View Post
    This here sounds a little bit like Leaf would not care that much about the customers from yesterday. I think however that this could be a mistake in a longer term. Yesterdays customers could be customers for tomorrow as well.
    But I think one would have to trust to get a longterm partner and not to be forced to buy a new camera body and lenses for each new back.
    Focusing on current products has no relation whatsoever IMO to caring/ not caring about yesterday's customers.

    If you bought your AFi camera from a Leaf dealer you will still go to a Leaf dealer for service or repair.

    I do not know of any company in our business that has ever forced anyone to buy anything. For example Leaf never made backs for the Rollei 6000 series so users of that camera had the choice to buy their backs from other vendors.

    The picture might have been different had F&H and the project been still running strong when Leaf Imaging was set up but this as I said before is a dead horse IMO.

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    I just thought it is interesting that Leaf backs are now available for different mounts but can not be adapted for the AFI but you explained before it seems to have technical reasons. In this regard I am still impressed with Sinar backs which are quite flexible.


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    Focusing on current products has no relation whatsoever IMO to caring/ not caring about yesterday's customers.

    If you bought your AFi camera from a Leaf dealer you will still go to a Leaf dealer for service or repair.

    I do not know of any company in our business that has ever forced anyone to buy anything. For example Leaf never made backs for the Rollei 6000 series so users of that camera had the choice to buy their backs from other vendors.

    The picture might have been different had F&H and the project been still running strong when Leaf Imaging was set up but this as I said before is a dead horse IMO.

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    Yair, part of my confusion arises from you continually writing "AFi/Hy6". Leaf has never had specific access or rights to any Hy6 that I know of, just AFi. The Sinar Hy6 is a current model and is not discontinued. I think it may not be currently manufactured, but Sinar has enough for now, and it is an open question what they would do if their stock ran out.
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    Re: Leaf

    having an open forum on topics is great unless there are those who won't be open and transparent.. for obvious reasons, I guess we have to take the cons as well as the pros when it comes to reading and partaking of this forum..kinda like going to the shrink and thinking that they really are your friend and have just your well being in mind.
    Sorry but this thread reads like a press release from the new and open white house.

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    can you give us any news or clues on the new backs?
    I'm just inpatient that's all
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    "Sorry but this thread reads like a press release from the new and open white house."

    Huh? I thought this thread began because Guy suggested it would be a good idea to have information about Leaf's products. Yair did just that, and then responded to critics who didn't like what was offered. I guess you can't please everyone.

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    Re: Leaf

    Forgive me if this has been answered before but, do the current Leaf Aptus-II backs require a wakeup cable on technical cameras?
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    I'd like to ask a more technical related question: do you think it is possible to produce a back for AFI/HY6 using flash sync socket only? That is, a generic back with an AFI/HY6 interface? The camera designer should make that possible as compatibility is always the weakest point of those electronic cameras. That will be kind of last resort of work-around....

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    Re: Leaf

    Quote Originally Posted by stephengilbert View Post
    "Sorry but this thread reads like a press release from the new and open white house."

    Huh? I thought this thread began because Guy suggested it would be a good idea to have information about Leaf's products. Yair did just that, and then responded to critics who didn't like what was offered. I guess you can't please everyone.
    my not-so-important point was that we get fed info here..and in varing degrees of transparency, it was just a reminder to me of that and when it come to getting info about products I would rather hear it from a fellow photographer who is not embedded with a manufacturer.. I am sure yair and the other "reps" do their best to relay as much info as they can.. but as I said, for obvious reasons they can't really write here the truth as they know it or even guess at it, whereas shooters such as myself and spout off how we see reality..may not have any worth either! my point other not-so-brilliant point about the whitehouse, they talk about openess and transparency but it seems they are open about just what they want to tell, not what the folks what to know about...time for me to use the deadhorse too.

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    Re: Leaf

    Quote Originally Posted by paulmoore View Post
    my not-so-important point was that we get fed info here..and in varing degrees of transparency, it was just a reminder to me of that and when it come to getting info about products I would rather hear it from a fellow photographer who is not embedded with a manufacturer.. I am sure yair and the other "reps" do their best to relay as much info as they can.. but as I said, for obvious reasons they can't really write here the truth as they know it or even guess at it, whereas shooters such as myself and spout off how we see reality..may not have any worth either!
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    Re: Leaf

    Quote Originally Posted by paulmoore View Post
    my not-so-important point was that we get fed info here..and in varing degrees of transparency, it was just a reminder to me of that and when it come to getting info about products I would rather hear it from a fellow photographer who is not embedded with a manufacturer.. I am sure yair and the other "reps" do their best to relay as much info as they can.. but as I said, for obvious reasons they can't really write here the truth as they know it or even guess at it, whereas shooters such as myself and spout off how we see reality..may not have any worth either! my point other not-so-brilliant point about the whitehouse, they talk about openess and transparency but it seems they are open about just what they want to tell, not what the folks what to know about...time for me to use the deadhorse too.
    Hi Paul,

    I think I understand your point of view as it is hard to get a complete picture without having access to the actual agreements between the few parties that are involved.

    Specifically in this case, there is a lot more going on that cannot be shared and it will be irresponsible on my part to provide information that is not meant to be public. but that's life as they say...

    This has less to do with wanting to be transparent and more to do with having to keep the integrity and continuity of those agreements.

    Anyway, I've been asked to provide info on the current offerings and was "dragged" into this AFi discussion...to be honest I was expecting it and I have no problem answering as many question as I can, but obviously I do want to try and serve the interest of customers as well as the interest of the companies involved.

    As many said before, there is no substitute to having 1st hand experience with the product and no matter what others (reps, colleagues, mates or whoever) say, you should be making your decision only after you have tried it yourself, if possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yaya View Post
    Hi Paul,

    I think I understand your point of view as it is hard to get a complete picture without having access to the actual agreements between the few parties that are involved.

    Best

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    glad you got my non-hostile intent.
    we photographers are sometimes left holding the bag when it comes to this equipment ..knowing that some, not implying you, have info which could make in some cases thousands of dollars difference if all info was available before purchases were made can be frustrating. I guess unavoidable even in this age of information. sorry for running off track from your leaf thread
    but keeping up with who is doing what with whom back-wise can be a full time job.

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    Re: Leaf

    Ok everyone missed two things:

    1. my question from 6 posts up and
    2. the incredibly obvious pun in the title of the thread.
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    Re: Leaf

    Quote Originally Posted by etrigan63 View Post
    Forgive me if this has been answered before but, do the current Leaf Aptus-II backs require a wakeup cable on technical cameras?
    Nope, never needed one either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yaya View Post
    Hi Paul,

    I think I understand your point of view as it is hard to get a complete picture without having access to the actual agreements between the few parties that are involved.

    Specifically in this case, there is a lot more going on that cannot be shared and it will be irresponsible on my part to provide information that is not meant to be public. but that's life as they say...

    This has less to do with wanting to be transparent and more to do with having to keep the integrity and continuity of those agreements.

    Anyway, I've been asked to provide info on the current offerings and was "dragged" into this AFi discussion...to be honest I was expecting it and I have no problem answering as many question as I can, but obviously I do want to try and serve the interest of customers as well as the interest of the companies involved.

    Best

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    Yair -

    My apologies for dragging you into the AFI discussion: it seemed a bit unclear if you were refering to the back or the camera at the time, and I was looking for clarification as to the extent of Leaf/Phase interest in the body (not just the back).

    Given that the F&H project for the Hy6 was set up to be adaptable to three different ownerships (Rollei, Sinar, and Leaf), confusion is clearly possible. Perhaps there were clear dividing lines, perhaps it was "if it works, we're all fine, if it doesn't, it doesn't matter". As you suggest, some of this has to be behind closed doors.

    On the consumer side of the fence, as long as we can make it work and get what we need, and know where to go.... all should be well. Hope still springs eternal as to further revival of the platform, or at least that Sinar keeps supporting it.

    Again, sorry to cause complications.

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    Re: Leaf

    Quote Originally Posted by etrigan63 View Post
    Forgive me if this has been answered before but, do the current Leaf Aptus-II backs require a wakeup cable on technical cameras?
    Quote Originally Posted by yaya View Post
    Nope, never needed one either.
    Actually, I think it's a feature of the Dalsa sensors in general, isn't it? I know the Phase P40+ and P65+ have a "zero" latency setting and don't need them now either. However I also understand Phase claims they remain desirable as noise can build up if the back is left on for any length of time. Also, I understand back battery life is reduced in that mode... Is that different for Leaf?
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    Re: Leaf

    I read somewhere (here probably) that the P65+ & P40+ also support Live View in C1v5 as well. Is this correct? I do like the larger screens on the Leaf.
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    They do but have yet to try it yet.
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    a good reason to order an iphone to santa... ;-)

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    Re: Leaf

    I've got the iPhone and the Leaf software. Now I need a Leaf to test it out on!

    Dear Santa Claus,
    I have been a very good boy this year and would like the following:

    Phase One 645DF w/80mm LS Lens
    Alpa TC with 35mm lens and new rosewood grips and viewfinder
    Leaf Aptus-II 10

    A note from you to my wife telling her I did not sell the house to get this stuff.
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    Re: Leaf

    Quote Originally Posted by etrigan63 View Post
    I've got the iPhone and the Leaf software. Now I need a Leaf to test it out on!
    You don't need a back to use the app, all you need are some raw files in a folder on your Mac that is assigned as your Shots folder. You can download a few files from Leaf's website

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    Re: Leaf

    Still want to review the system, Yair! Or make that Christmas list happen, but I don't see how at the moment. Also, I'm not a big fan of Alexa Mengual's work (not my cup of tea). Looking more for cityscape/landscape work.
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    Re: Leaf

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Actually, I think it's a feature of the Dalsa sensors in general, isn't it? I know the Phase P40+ and P65+ have a "zero" latency setting and don't need them now either. However I also understand Phase claims they remain desirable as noise can build up if the back is left on for any length of time. Also, I understand back battery life is reduced in that mode... Is that different for Leaf?
    Dalsa and Kodak use different sensor architecture. I am not sure about the new 40/50 Kodak ones but the older models were slower to re-set after capture compared to the Dalsas. The Dalsa sensor wakes up and flushes instantly, which means that you can keep it off and not worry about "preparing" it for the next capture with a wake-up or a 2-shot cable.

    Leaf backs use an advanced power management architecture that allows some of the internal components to be in "stand-by" mode between captures and wake-up to a signal from the body or the lens. The fan helps in regulating the working temperature so noise build-up is not an issue.

    In terms of battery life I don't think that there's much of a difference between a P65+ and an Aptus-II 10 but I admit I've never measured that side-by-side.

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