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    Re: The Changing MF Landscape: What's a Mother to do?

    NO
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    Re: The Changing MF Landscape: What's a Mother to do?

    I was afraid that you would say that.

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    Re: The Changing MF Landscape: What's a Mother to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    I was afraid that you would say that.
    i have the Leaf 75s, and absolutely love it!! I"m using it with the Mamiya 645, as well as a Horseman SW-D.

    One of the things that was noticed in the Photo Technique article from above, was the difference in depth, tone and resolution between the P45+ on an H body with H glass, vs the Linhof with the Schneider/Rodenstock Digitar glass. (with the Digitar coming out on top). I can see that difference when shooting with the Mamiya 35mm, Zeiss Distagon 40 and the Rodenstock 35mm Digitar

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    Re: The Changing MF Landscape: What's a Mother to do?

    Jim which one looks better to your eye for look. I have a Hassy 40mm that I want to try out and if not I will get the Mamiya 35mm
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    But Jim, in all fairness, I have been seeing your images online for quite a few years and you make fantastic images whatever gear you use.

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    Re: The Changing MF Landscape: What's a Mother to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Jim which one looks better to your eye for look. I have a Hassy 40mm that I want to try out and if not I will get the Mamiya 35mm
    if i had to keep one (and i have both and will be selling one)... i'd keep the 40mm. It's bigger, heavier, no AF... but it has that Zeiss look to it when wide open.

    coarse.. there's a bit of a price difference.. $900 used for the Mamiya vs $2000 used for the Zeiss

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    Re: The Changing MF Landscape: What's a Mother to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    But Jim, in all fairness, I have been seeing your images online for quite a few years and you make fantastic images whatever gear you use.
    it's all cuz of the gear


    thanks doug... most of my stuff isn't everyone's cup of tea

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    Re: The Changing MF Landscape: What's a Mother to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    But Jim, in all fairness, I have been seeing your images online for quite a few years and you make fantastic images whatever gear you use.
    Good shooters can shoot there way out of a paper bag any day of the week with any gear. Jim certainly is one of them but good gear helps you achieve your output.
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    Re: The Changing MF Landscape: What's a Mother to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by JimCollum View Post
    if i had to keep one (and i have both and will be selling one)... i'd keep the 40mm. It's bigger, heavier, no AF... but it has that Zeiss look to it when wide open.

    coarse.. there's a bit of a price difference.. $900 used for the Mamiya vs $2000 used for the Zeiss
    Thanks Jim , I will try it and see
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    Steve Hendrix of PPR Atlanta has a rebutal to many of the points raised in this article. I hope he will chime in. Many of his concerns has to do with the Hassy vs Phase comparison. His concern is that the software RAW file defaults are quite different making some of the comparisons unequal, and therefore some of the conclusions incorrect.

    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    As an aside - downloaded the soft copy of the Jan-Feb 08 issue of Photo Techniques for the "Battle of The Digital Giants" article comparing 1Ds2 to an H3D-39, H2D w/P45+ and Linhof 679CS w/ P45+. Great read for those that haven't seen it.

    Slippery slope indeed.

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    ... so do I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark1958 View Post
    Steve Hendrix of PPR Atlanta has a rebutal to many of the points raised in this article.

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    Re: The Changing MF Landscape: What's a Mother to do?

    Staying away from the debate of the P45+ bettering the Hassy 39, teh basic conclusions were:

    1. MF beat the 1Ds2 handily, BUT in some circumstances the 1Ds2 did come closer to the H3 than the reviewer would have thought. However, in most cases, the gap between 135 and MF was greater than the reviewer expected.

    2. Two issues handicapping the 1Ds2 (it is after all a 24x36mm sensor with 9um2 photocells) were the AA filter and the fact that was using Canon glass vs (it appears Zeiss and Fujinon on the H2 and H3 respectively. Were simply listed as 'Hasselblad lenses').

    3. The Linhof (with the same P45+ as used on the H2) and Rodenstock HR lenses kicked the rest of the test gear to the curb by a such a large margin, the reviewer found it surprising.

    The bottom lines (again ignoring Phase1 vs. Hassy back) that I took away and/or were mentioned by the reviewer were:

    1. Size of sensor and size of photocells matters (where have we heard that before)
    2. AA filters don't do us any favors unless you really need them for your work
    3. CMOS vs CCD - the former isn't the end-all be all.
    4. Current sensors are lens-limited. The inability of 99.9% of existing lenses to resolve what a good sensor can deliver is one of the biggest handicaps faced and is an issue that mainstream lens makers need to start addressing ricky-tick.

    All in all a good read (amongst others in the issue) and worth the $10 paid for the back copy of the mag.

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    Re: The Changing MF Landscape: What's a Mother to do?

    I hev no doubt that teh Canon lenses aren't up to the quality of teh Canon chips..a major reason i didn't upgrade from 1dsmk11 to 111 - first time I hevnt upgraded a 1Ds Canon.

    I also wonder if they are trying to compensate for any weaknesses in resolving power of their lenses via camera hardware and software - namely a big fat AA filter..and a LOT of in camera processing - leading to what many describe as the plastic looking files Canon delivers.

    Contrast this to a dedicated digi specked LF lens - it is a strange thing a Schneider or a Rodenstock lens isnt it? ...tiny little things in comparison to a typical SLR lens or Zoom..my 24 and 35,, Schneiders ..more like Leica M lenses..but they kick butt in IQ stakes against anything out there..

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    1. Size of sensor and size of photocells matters (where have we heard that before)
    YES

    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    2. AA filters don't do us any favors unless you really need them for your work
    YES

    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    3. CMOS vs CCD - the former isn't the end-all be all.
    YES

    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    4. Current sensors are lens-limited. The inability of 99.9% of existing lenses to resolve what a good sensor can deliver is one of the biggest handicaps faced and is an issue that mainstream lens makers need to start addressing ricky-tick.
    YES, and I would say it again, like many times before: "garbage in - garbage out"

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    Jim when you stitch using the A75 on the Horseman, do you get color shifts when shift stitching?
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    Re: The Changing MF Landscape: What's a Mother to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    Jim when you stitch using the A75 on the Horseman, do you get color shifts?

    only with the 35mm so far.. but they an app that compensates for that shift. i've found that easy to use. I'd imagine it might be a workflow issue if you had hundreds to do at a time.. but if i'm out with the Horseman and Aptus, i'm in the Large Format mode.. where 10 decent shots is a good day

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    it is effectively a workflow issue, when you have hundreds of files to process with white shadings, one by one: it can easily take hours of corrections. Architecture photographers among others do have such issues to deal with.

    There is a solution for Sinar files which is called the Brumbaer tools, a set of 2 small applications which do apply the "white shadings" automatically to the right files, as many as you want and in a batch process: it is called the Brumbaer "eMotion DNG Converter" and is a freeware. It saves hours of work. Beside applying white shadings to correct color shifts (due to the lens fall-off or due to shifts/tilts/swings), it does as well and automatically correct the wished amount of lens vignetting separately (if wanted), denoises the files (if wanted), and it does automatically correct the centerfold effect present in some situations.

    The quality of those DNGs produced by these Brumbaer converter are praised by all using it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimCollum View Post
    I'd imagine it might be a workflow issue if you had hundreds to do at a time..

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    Leaf.. are you reading this?

    Quote Originally Posted by thsinar View Post
    it is effectively a workflow issue, when you have hundreds of files to process with white shadings, one by one: it can easily take hours of corrections. Architecture photographers among others do have such issues to deal with.

    There is a solution for Sinar files which is called the Brumbaer tools, a set of 2 small applications which do apply the "white shadings" automatically to the right files, as many as you want and in a batch process: it is called the Brumbaer "eMotion DNG Converter" and is a freeware. It saves hours of work. Beside applying white shadings to correct color shifts (due to the lens fall-off or due to shifts/tilts/swings), it does as well and automatically correct the wished amount of lens vignetting separately (if wanted), denoises the files (if wanted), and it does automatically correct the centerfold effect present in some situations.

    The quality of those DNGs produced by these Brumbaer converter are praised by all using it.

    Best regards,
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    Jim, How about the 4 up stitch that Horseman shows that's something like a virtual 70mm x 82mm sensor after stitching ? Is there enough image circle with the 35mm lens to make this work? It seems like you would have an extremely wide angle of view this way, maybe too wide for most compositions, but HUGE resolution.

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    Re: The Changing MF Landscape: What's a Mother to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    Jim, How about the 4 up stitch that Horseman shows that's something like a virtual 70mm x 82mm sensor after stitching ? Is there enough image circle with the 35mm lens to make this work? It seems like you would have an extremely wide angle of view this way, maybe too wide for most compositions, but HUGE resolution.
    wide open, the image circle' not that big.. allows you maybe 8-10mm in each direction... stopped down, however, you can go the full shift.. corners are degraded a bit (similar to what you'd find on a typical canon superwide)

    i usually shoot 3x3 instead of 4up.. i prefer some overlap , and the back has dentents, so it's a pretty easy process.

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    Resurrecting this one.

    After playing with MF Phase backs in Puerto Rico, I was just blown away by the difference compared to 35 mm (M8 & D3).

    I just sold an M8 lens, VF, two Zeiss primes for Nikon, the D300 (which I had been holding for a friend since upgrading to the D3), Nikon grip, and miscellaneous stuff.

    This MF stuff is indeed a slippery slope.

    I want to use it for some fashion/portrait & product work.

    I have been surprised on product shots too many times where the end use is planned to be of a specific size in a magazine and it ends up being a two page spread (which is stretching the D3 and previously the D2x), or when a shot suddenly becomes the cover and therefore an 8ft. banner later.

    The DR, color, and detail of the files were all just amazing.

    I did struggle at first not really realizing in my head that I needed to stop down 2-3 stops to get the same DOF which I was thinking of from 35mm. Another surprise was that, when handheld, the old 35mm rule of 1/focal length for shutter was not fast enough to prevent motion blur. These things really want good light.

    I was thinking of the Mamiya/Phase system, but struggle over the focal plane shutter vs. a leaf shutter. The added vibration of the focal shutter is a disadvantage and so is the low flash sync speed of 1/125.

    My mind is also going in the direction of staying away from any of the microlens systems, as I want to be able to do tilt/shift for products. That is another issue in itself as neither Mamiya nor Hassy have T/S lenses for their current bodies. This slope is getting even more slippery if I have to get some sort of "technical" camera to use with the back.

    After viewing the files from Puerto Rico, I've decided to just bite the bullet and go for a 39MP back vs. the 22MP. What a difference in detail. Even on a few which had a little camera shake from me, they recovered nicely when I down sized them to the equal of the 22MP back. This means that I get so much more detail when shot correctly, and the ability to still recover if I have a very slight bit of motion.

    Sorry to the Sinar guys but after seeing David struggle with his camera all week long, that just dropped out of the equation.

    Now the issue is Mamiya or Hassy. The Mamiya/Phase is a more open system, but I want the advantages (for me) of the leaf shutter. The Hassy seems very well integrated, has the leaf shutter, but is a closed system.

    What to do?

    Yes, I have fallen down this slope with the rest of you guys.



    Ray



    PS: Still keeping the M8 & D3, I'm just reducing the kits and focusing on what I really use them for vs. having a one camera does all system. The M8 is down to 28 Cron ASPH, 35 Cron ASPH, 50 Lux ASPH, 90 Elmarit. The Nikon D3 is down to 24-70/2.8, 105 VR Macro, 70-200/2.8 VR, and the 1.7 Extender. I think both systems are still very usable in their areas. MF has seduced me for the really great files and all of the strobe work.
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    Re: The Changing MF Landscape: What's a Mother to do?

    LOL I am just about to wire my money. This is not a slippery slope this is a leap off the cliff. LOL
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    Re: The Changing MF Landscape: What's a Mother to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by harmsr View Post
    Resurrecting this one.

    After playing with MF Phase backs in Puerto Rico, I was just blown away by the difference compared to 35 mm (M8 & D3).

    I just sold an M8 lens, VF, two Zeiss primes for Nikon, the D300 (which I had been holding for a friend since upgrading to the D3), Nikon grip, and miscellaneous stuff.

    This MF stuff is indeed a slippery slope.

    I want to use it for some fashion/portrait & product work.

    I have been surprised on product shots too many times where the end use is planned to be of a specific size in a magazine and it ends up being a two page spread (which is stretching the D3 and previously the D2x), or when a shot suddenly becomes the cover and therefore an 8ft. banner later.

    The DR, color, and detail of the files were all just amazing.

    I did struggle at first not really realizing in my head that I needed to stop down 2-3 stops to get the same DOF which I was thinking of from 35mm. Another surprise was that, when handheld, the old 35mm rule of 1/focal length for shutter was not fast enough to prevent motion blur. These things really want good light.

    I was thinking of the Mamiya/Phase system, but struggle over the focal plane shutter vs. a leaf shutter. The added vibration of the focal shutter is a disadvantage and so is the low flash sync speed of 1/125.

    My mind is also going in the direction of staying away from any of the microlens systems, as I want to be able to do tilt/shift for products. That is another issue in itself as neither Mamiya nor Hassy have T/S lenses for their current bodies. This slope is getting even more slippery if I have to get some sort of "technical" camera to use with the back.

    After viewing the files from Puerto Rico, I've decided to just bite the bullet and go for a 39MP back vs. the 22MP. What a difference in detail. Even on a few which had a little camera shake from me, they recovered nicely when I down sized them to the equal of the 22MP back. This means that I get so much more detail when shot correctly, and the ability to still recover if I have a very slight bit of motion.

    Sorry to the Sinar guys but after seeing David struggle with his camera all week long, that just dropped out of the equation.

    Now the issue is Mamiya or Hassy. The Mamiya/Phase is a more open system, but I want the advantages (for me) of the leaf shutter. The Hassy seems very well integrated, has the leaf shutter, but is a closed system.

    What to do?

    Yes, I have fallen down this slope with the rest of you guys.



    Ray



    PS: Still keeping the M8 & D3, I'm just reducing the kits and focusing on what I really use them for vs. having a one camera does all system. The M8 is down to 28 Cron ASPH, 35 Cron ASPH, 50 Lux ASPH, 90 Elmarit. The Nikon D3 is down to 24-70/2.8, 105 VR Macro, 70-200/2.8 VR, and the 1.7 Extender. I think both systems are still very usable in their areas. MF has seduced me for the really great files and all of the strobe work.
    Ray, you are going through the same thought process I went through. It really IS application sensitive. For most commercial work it was a simple choice for me ... a leaf shutter camera was far more important than a focal plane one, and I needed a higher sync speed for outdoor fill. A hint concerning this is the fact that Hasselblad 500 cameras and all the copies of it; plus Rollei (and now the Hy6); Fuji, and Mamiya RZs are the dominate commercial systems ... and have been for as long as I can recall.

    Having owned and used a number of MF digital solutions, I also have formed an opinion concerning closed and open systems. I totally understand the open concept, and in fact Hasselblad offers that open option with the CF back selections using iAdapters that fit just about every MF camera out there ... leaf shutter or focal plane. So, it's not the digital backs that are closed. The notion that the H cameras are closed is the issue (except the H2F). However, for me this was not an issue...

    I prefer the fully integrated approach when it come to complex digital capture ... my experience has been that the more mix-and-match the more problems there are ... and I just got sick of it. Having a camera, back and software that are in sync with one another ... where when you upgrade the software version, the back AND camera firmware are automatically upgraded with it is exactly the way I like it. I hope Phase and Mamiya do the same and suspect they will.

    I find my system choice to very flexible ... integrated operation and tight sync with a software designed to maximize the system, fast AF and excellent on-camera TTL flash control, A choice of the H/C lenses or any of the CF, CFi or CFE Zeiss glass, use of the 39 meg back on a viewcamera with incomparible digital APO lenses ... does it for me. As usual, to each his or her own.

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    Re: The Changing MF Landscape: What's a Mother to do?

    Ray,
    With the introduction of the new PhaseOne 645 sytem they also announced that there will be leaf shutter design lenses available starting this year. I believe that there will a few models - normal,wide and long. This will make the PhaseOne 645 platform the only MF camera platform is that is not only an open system but has the ability to run both leaf and a focal plane shutter.

    But available today is the PhaseOne 645 AFD and Mamiya RZPro IID both using one back. The PhaseOne 645AFD would give you autofocus and portability today (ultimate flexibility with leaf shutter lenses this year), and then the Mamiya RZ ProIID would give you 1/400th flash sync and T/S capability all with one back!
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    Re: The Changing MF Landscape: What's a Mother to do?

    Here is Ray getting a demo at the workshop. The warmth is from the 7am lighting.

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    Re: The Changing MF Landscape: What's a Mother to do?

    Obviously I did not have my coffee yet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lance_schad View Post
    Obviously I did not have my coffee yet!
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    Re: The Changing MF Landscape: What's a Mother to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by harmsr View Post
    Resurrecting this one.

    After playing with MF Phase backs in Puerto Rico, I was just blown away by the difference compared to 35 mm (M8 & D3).

    I just sold an M8 lens, VF, two Zeiss primes for Nikon, the D300 (which I had been holding for a friend since upgrading to the D3), Nikon grip, and miscellaneous stuff.

    This MF stuff is indeed a slippery slope.

    I want to use it for some fashion/portrait & product work.

    I have been surprised on product shots too many times where the end use is planned to be of a specific size in a magazine and it ends up being a two page spread (which is stretching the D3 and previously the D2x), or when a shot suddenly becomes the cover and therefore an 8ft. banner later.

    The DR, color, and detail of the files were all just amazing.

    I did struggle at first not really realizing in my head that I needed to stop down 2-3 stops to get the same DOF which I was thinking of from 35mm. Another surprise was that, when handheld, the old 35mm rule of 1/focal length for shutter was not fast enough to prevent motion blur. These things really want good light.

    I was thinking of the Mamiya/Phase system, but struggle over the focal plane shutter vs. a leaf shutter. The added vibration of the focal shutter is a disadvantage and so is the low flash sync speed of 1/125.

    My mind is also going in the direction of staying away from any of the microlens systems, as I want to be able to do tilt/shift for products. That is another issue in itself as neither Mamiya nor Hassy have T/S lenses for their current bodies. This slope is getting even more slippery if I have to get some sort of "technical" camera to use with the back.

    After viewing the files from Puerto Rico, I've decided to just bite the bullet and go for a 39MP back vs. the 22MP. What a difference in detail. Even on a few which had a little camera shake from me, they recovered nicely when I down sized them to the equal of the 22MP back. This means that I get so much more detail when shot correctly, and the ability to still recover if I have a very slight bit of motion.

    Sorry to the Sinar guys but after seeing David struggle with his camera all week long, that just dropped out of the equation.

    Now the issue is Mamiya or Hassy. The Mamiya/Phase is a more open system, but I want the advantages (for me) of the leaf shutter. The Hassy seems very well integrated, has the leaf shutter, but is a closed system.

    What to do?

    Yes, I have fallen down this slope with the rest of you guys.



    Ray



    PS: Still keeping the M8 & D3, I'm just reducing the kits and focusing on what I really use them for vs. having a one camera does all system. The M8 is down to 28 Cron ASPH, 35 Cron ASPH, 50 Lux ASPH, 90 Elmarit. The Nikon D3 is down to 24-70/2.8, 105 VR Macro, 70-200/2.8 VR, and the 1.7 Extender. I think both systems are still very usable in their areas. MF has seduced me for the really great files and all of the strobe work.
    Ray

    I may be wrong but I thought there was an adapter to use V lenses on the Mamiya. If so you get the advantages of an open system and still get to use the great V lenses although I guess not with using the leaf shutter. Probably works like V lenses on the 203FE where the leaf shutter is locked open and the focal plane shutter of the body does the work.

    Woody

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    Re: The Changing MF Landscape: What's a Mother to do?

    Quote Originally Posted by woodyspedden View Post
    Ray

    I may be wrong but I thought there was an adapter to use V lenses on the Mamiya. If so you get the advantages of an open system and still get to use the great V lenses although I guess not with using the leaf shutter. Probably works like V lenses on the 203FE where the leaf shutter is locked open and the focal plane shutter of the body does the work.

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    Woody,
    Yes you could use the V-series lenses, but I think that Ray wants to use a faster flashsync than what is currently available on the Mamiya/PhaseOne 645 which is 1/125. PhaseOne has committed to releasing a few leaf shutter lenses beginning this year to be used with the PhaseOne 645AFD. It will be the only MF camera system that will have the ability to use both a focal plane shutter and leaf shutter lenses on one camera system.
    One recommendation that could cover a few of Rays needs is to use both the 645AFD platform, and when he needs either tilt/shift capabilities or flash sync greater than 1/125 use the PhaseOne back on a Mamiya RZ ProIID system.
    This would give him the best of both worlds.

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    Re: The Changing MF Landscape: What's a Mother to do?

    Lance is right.

    I'm really struggling with the focal plane shutter concept, as I want a fast sync speed so that I can use strobes for bright daylight fill.

    Relative to tilt/shift, I've pretty much decided to just look for a technical camera and get the whole ball of wax including swing. For some of the firearms photography that I do, it has been impossible to get everything in focus regardless of stopping the apertures as far as possible. Using a tech camera yesterday, one of the shots which I just could not otherwise get everything in focus was possible to do using the tilt & swing options of the tech camera. It was also very nice to be able to fix perspective by moving the back end.

    I have decided that I want the 39MP back and leaf shutter capability. The issue is going to come down to one of finance along with ease of total use and workflow. The Phase/Mamiya was nice to use and will have leaf shutter lenses at a later date. I'm going to be using a Hassy now, so that I can really make a good comparison on what works best for me.

    I'm not willing to go through any real mix and match systems, as I just want a system that works without the headaches of new technology to market (AKA: the M8 launch), or having to deal with multiple companies and tech supports to resolve issues.

    I'll let you guys know more, once the Hassy is in hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harmsr View Post
    Lance is right.

    I'm really struggling with the focal plane shutter concept, as I want a fast sync speed so that I can use strobes for bright daylight fill.

    Relative to tilt/shift, I've pretty much decided to just look for a technical camera and get the whole ball of wax including swing. For some of the firearms photography that I do, it has been impossible to get everything in focus regardless of stopping the apertures as far as possible. Using a tech camera yesterday, one of the shots which I just could not otherwise get everything in focus was possible to do using the tilt & swing options of the tech camera. It was also very nice to be able to fix perspective by moving the back end.

    I have decided that I want the 39MP back and leaf shutter capability. The issue is going to come down to one of finance along with ease of total use and workflow. The Phase/Mamiya was nice to use and will have leaf shutter lenses at a later date. I'm going to be using a Hassy now, so that I can really make a good comparison on what works best for me.

    I'm not willing to go through any real mix and match systems, as I just want a system that works without the headaches of new technology to market (AKA: the M8 launch), or having to deal with multiple companies and tech supports to resolve issues.

    I'll let you guys know more, once the Hassy is in hand.

    Best,

    Ray
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    Make sure you have someone who can competently help you along with the Hasselblad hardare/software so you can see the full potential of the solution. If you don't have someone, feel free to contact me directly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Hendrix/PPR View Post
    Ray:

    Make sure you have someone who can competently help you along with the Hasselblad hardare/software so you can see the full potential of the solution. If you don't have someone, feel free to contact me directly.

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    I'll second that offer Ray. Peter A and I communicate quite a bit as we work through some of the new things offered with Phocus Beta software updates.

    You also may wish to join Nick T's forum dedicated to Hasselblad Digital users. Invaluable resource.

    http://www.hasselbladdigitalforum.com/index.php

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    Ray,
    I hate to sound like I am "selling" futures, but with an investment of this size you do have to look into a crystal ball a bit and try to see what is on the horizon and beyond. On the horizon for Phase short term is the availability of newly designed leaf shutter lenses to work with the PhaseOne 645AFD,which will make it the first and only medium format system to feature a focal plane and leaf shutter.What does this mean? Ultimate flexibilty of the choices of lens that are available today (Hasselblad 500 and 200 series, Pentacon six mount, MF Mamiya lenses, AF Mamiya lenses, Sekor Digital)This is just the first of many things you can expect to see on their new open camera system/platform (which is built upon years of Mamiyas experience on the 645afd).
    I can only imagine that this camera is only the begining of things to come.
    Phase One with their design have left the "doors" open for others to attach any digital backs that has the afd mount/film backs, and allow for legacy lens support.
    You may not be looking for other types of lenses today, but it is nice to know that they are out there and hopefully other manufactures will see the market potential of this 'open' platform and be encouraged to come out with solutions for it.
    Options are never a bad thing
    L

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