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    Re: Date Counter on Hasselblad Site ?

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    As I posted on another Hassy dedicated site ...

    I would guess that the sensor will be sourced from Dalsa who makes both types of imaging chips. Much has happened with CMOS technology in a few short years and CMOS provides for smaller, less complex camera design while providing faster capture rates with less heat. A good hint as to what's coming is provided again by watching RED ... which uses CMOS technology, and have indicated up to medium format sized + CMOS sensors are coming.


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    perhaps the future of CMOS sensor/idea stands behind their logic of designing their new lenses HCD 4.0-5.6/35-90, HCD 4/28 by obviously ignoring the ff 645 coverage without much business related stress..

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    Re: Date Counter on Hasselblad Site ?

    Yesterday and before yesterday the person from Hasselblad [from Holland] came to Dubai and joined the event called "Beauty of Images with Hasselblad and Profoto", he did a presentation about Hasselblad, and he mentioned that this date counter is for H4D-60 releasing in the market i think, i played with H4D-50 they brought, but i made a trade-in for H4D-60mp, and he said that they promised people since about 1 year or so, and now it is time to fix a date.
    He told me that the main problem with that new H4D-50 or 60mp is with high ISO from 400 and over, because they are using Dalsa sensor, now we have to wait and see what they did to that 60mp then.

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    Re: Date Counter on Hasselblad Site ?

    hum;
    I hope it's more than just a release date for the H4D-60
    (I'm not saying your info is not correct, I just want more)
    Personally I was very interested in the S2 in concept, if Hasselblad is going to bring out a CMOS body at a reasonable price, I'm all over it.
    I've now skipped a few upgrade cycles and am in the market for something...
    I guess we'll see.
    (problem is I'm such a little kid with these things and I wana know now )
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    Re: Date Counter on Hasselblad Site ?

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Like I said, we'll know in a few days how wrong I am ...
    Your thoughts are correct, just the timing. Sadly it won't be this year.

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    Re: Date Counter on Hasselblad Site ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Professional View Post
    Yesterday and before yesterday the person from Hasselblad [from Holland] came to Dubai and joined the event called "Beauty of Images with Hasselblad and Profoto", he did a presentation about Hasselblad, and he mentioned that this date counter is for H4D-60 releasing in the market i think, i played with H4D-50 they brought, but i made a trade-in for H4D-60mp, and he said that they promised people since about 1 year or so, and now it is time to fix a date.
    He told me that the main problem with that new H4D-50 or 60mp is with high ISO from 400 and over, because they are using Dalsa sensor, now we have to wait and see what they did to that 60mp then.
    These guys are sworn to secrecy. Besides, if I was trying to sell you a H4D/50 or H4D/60 ... telling you about a new camera without being able to spell out the specifics would not be a good sales move. (???).

    Also, why would there be the same issue with the 50 and 60 concerning high ISO over 400? The 50 is a Kodak sensor ... the 60 is a Dalsa sensor.

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    Re: Date Counter on Hasselblad Site ?

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    These guys are sworn to secrecy. Besides, if I was trying to sell you a H4D/50 or H4D/60 ... telling you about a new camera without being able to spell out the specifics would not be a good sales move. (???).

    Also, why would there be the same issue with the 50 and 60 concerning high ISO over 400? The 50 is a Kodak sensor ... the 60 is a Dalsa sensor.

    -Marc
    I don't know why, but maybe because of what happened to P65+ on high ISO comparing to P45+ and P30+, that guy also said that they prefer Kodak sensor over Dalsa sensor, honestly i will buy H4D-60 even it is so bad at ISO400 up to ISO800, my H3DII is so bad at ISO400 anyway, even at ISO200 it is like ISO1600 or ISO800 on Canon entry level or semi pro cameras.

    The event to my opinion was not so good enough, really i didn't see something that making me to go with newer Hasselblad, and about Profoto i saw the lights many times and i have their catalogues and also i visit their dealer in UAE many times and i can try any light there, so this event is i think a trial for them to push people to think about Hasselblad and Profoto, i even they don't care if anyone will be H4D or H3D 50, they will be happy if many will buy H3D 39 and 31, and even those cheap Profoto options [Acute, umbrella, softboxes, cheap power packs or heads...etc].

    Good that you were not there, because i am sure you will not be satisfied much about it, i even didn't go there to buy Hasselblad or Profoto, i was after models or some products shooting, and i don't care when that H4D-60 will be there available, and too bad i ended up with that event to buy profoto light.

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    Re: Date Counter on Hasselblad Site ?

    This is posted on their site...doesn't sound like new equipment is going to be announced.

    "So what's with the clock?

    Curiosity’s killing you, isn't it?

    What if we were to tell you that our little surprise is something that can help you get famous?

    What if we were to tell you that we can put your work in front of hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people, absolutely free of charge?

    What if we were to tell you that you still have to wait until February 1st to find out the rest? "

    http://www.hasselblad.com/promotions/countdown.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsrfun View Post
    This is posted on their site...

    What if we were to tell you that our little surprise is something that can help you get famous?

    What if we were to tell you that we can put your work in front of hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people, absolutely free of charge?

    What if we were to tell you that you still have to wait until February 1st to find out the rest? "
    First two sound like a website. 3rd sentence could be hinting that something else will be announced. At least they didn't try the Zeiss Ikon approach of revealing the camera bit by bit. That was excruciating.

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    Re: Date Counter on Hasselblad Site ?

    i hear from various sources that it will be a H4D 40. most likely the same sensor as in the P40+. if so, it is a letdown afaiac.
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    while and H4D 40 and not a fully integrated SLR may be a bit of a let down for me, I wonder if the price will be attractive enough to entice a few more potential customers away from Leica's S2. For me the S2 seems like almost the perfect camera but is priced in a bracket that is hard to rationalize on a per feature and performance basis. (Old news and story, I know. Sorry to tread old ground!) If an H4D 40 is priced at 2/3rds the price or even 3/4 the price, has a full system of accessories available already, then it would be a no brainer for me.

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    Re: Date Counter on Hasselblad Site ?

    A H4D/40 would be a non-event IMO ... not worthy of all the countdown hype. Just another replacement model (replaces the H3D-II/31 as the intro level H digital). Not interested, I'll stick with the H4D/60.

    But it makes sense given they are also doing a 60 Dalsa.

    What may still be a surprise is if it is fully integrated rather than modular, smaller, and priced to make it attractive for high end DSLR users.

    But not ground breaking IMHO.

    A CMOS sensor would be another matter altogether ... especially if accompanied by Live View.

    Just a couple of days to go.

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    Re: Date Counter on Hasselblad Site ?

    Well, there's an ad in a UK photo magazine that went to subscribers a couple of days ago, saying it is indeed an H4D-40, at an new entry-level affordable price of 12,995 + Vat + 15,269 in the UK.

    The ad has the baby's face and talk of a Feb 10 worldwide launch at 50 locations of the new camera.

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    Re: Date Counter on Hasselblad Site ?

    Well have to say though I really like my P40+ so with Hassy coming with a 40 first does not surprise me and second I think a smart move on Hassy's part. Be interesting to see what they use though Kodak or Dalsa. My guess it is the 60 Dalsa cropped like the P40+ is to the P65+. Have to say these are good deals and I am not feeling left out for a second with a 40 mpx back at all. Hopefully like the P40+ the Hassy owners will see improvements over the 39 legacy sensors. I know I am seeing some really nice stuff coming out of this sensor so for the Hassy folks something to look forward to. Look forward to this announcement
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    Re: Date Counter on Hasselblad Site ?

    Now if it is a 40MP crop 1.3 digiback on a Hasselblad camera that's not really worth the hype.
    But if it is a DLSR- or S2-like 40MP camera that's certainly something.
    A 40 MP DSLR with...
    - Recompose-AF
    - sharp edges (in distinction from the S2)
    - probably quite a high frame/sec rate
    - the whole line of Hasselblad accessories available right now
    - a mature software
    - noticable less expensive than the S2
    ... and the brand name "Hasselbald".

    But from the announcement I actually think it's more an online galery thing...

    we will see...

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    Re: Date Counter on Hasselblad Site ?

    Thomas not so sure and please no engineer here but if it was a DSLR not sure they could use there existing glass with the lens to sensor distance needed. But a DSLR style would certainly be interesting to see.
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    Re: Date Counter on Hasselblad Site ?

    Even though I may not be as interested in a H4D/40 ... I also think it is a natural and smart move ... and frankly, I'm not so sure a 40 wouldn't suit my needs better than a 60 if it works in the manner of the Phase One kit. I never had a big issue with the H3D-II/31, and like the quickness and higher ISO of that camera a lot.

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    Re: Date Counter on Hasselblad Site ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Thomas not so sure and please no engineer here but if it was a DSLR not sure they could use there existing glass with the lens to sensor distance needed. But a DSLR style would certainly be interesting to see.
    you're right.
    Me personally I don't see any real difference between an S2 and a Hassy (back calibrated to body; lenses calibrated for focus shift). It's more about the marketing. Hasseblad is certainly a very strong name with a very strong history - if they sell this (imagined) camera strictly as a DSLR at a killer price - so targeting users interessted in a DSLR or an S2 - it might be very interessting.

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    Re: Date Counter on Hasselblad Site ?

    Marc have to say you saw those results I got from the high ISO stuff and also the speed of the system. I'm pretty impressed. If the Hassy is like that very compelling
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    Re: Date Counter on Hasselblad Site ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Marc have to say you saw those results I got from the high ISO stuff and also the speed of the system. I'm pretty impressed. If the Hassy is like that very compelling
    I go back and forth since my needs vary a lot.

    On one hand I'd love to dump all the DSLR stuff like you and Jack have done. I had hoped the S2 would do that for me, and it still is on the shopping list. So a H4D/40 would fit that criteria like a glove since I rarely shoot above ISO 1000 with any camera, and even the H3D-II/31 could do that. The new focusing would fix the one niggle I had with using MFD for weddings (I use the M9 for candid works).

    One the other hand there is the studio work ... like stuff I published on the other thread (fabrics and wheels pics). But that type of work has fallen off considerably in the last few years ... and it is iffy at best for the next few years.

    Let's see what Hassey has ... we'll know by this time tomorrow.

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    Let's see what Hassey has ... we'll know by this time tomorrow.
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    Reports of ads in UK mags. Feb 10 launch of HD4-40....If that's it, a lot of hype for not much new.

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    you mean this one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Be interesting to see what they use though Kodak or Dalsa.
    I can't really say but as the announcement is due in 1 minute I will say that the new chip is from a company that starts with "K" and ends in odak.
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    Re: Date Counter on Hasselblad Site ?

    LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    LOL
    And the counter is having a melt down.. There should be some other news too *sigh*

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    Re: Date Counter on Hasselblad Site ?

    Says 19 hours. Needs a firmware update. LOL

    keep us posted Nick
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Says 19 hours. Needs a firmware update. LOL

    keep us posted Nick
    Will do Guy... I'm just wondering who wrote the flash script that had the whole ****ing thing (can I say "thing"?) melt down when the clock hit zero...

    Nick-T
    The cuss script cut in thank goodness..

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    Re: Date Counter on Hasselblad Site ?

    I'm sure glad Hasselblad stuck to cameras on the lunar missions and didn't help out with the countdown stop watch. Can you imagine? T-minus 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 ..... Oh, wait. We're eighteen hours early. Can you come back at 16:00?

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    Also, you've got to wonder how Leica will fear on sales of the S2 when Robert White has it listed at 14246.81 ex VAT and Hasselblad themselves have priced the H4D-40, according to the photographed article above, at 13K ex VAT, including an 80mm standard lens and its own proprietary raw converter. Most dealers I know of sell items slightly below manufacturers RRP. I've said it a few times, but the S2 would suit me down to the ground if only it were priced more in line with the competition. I would appreciate all it has going for it, in particular the weather seals, integrated body and back plus form factor. The only feature I don't like, price aside, is the "Leica Format" 3x2 ratio! Go figure! I honestly hope the S2 gathers momentum and catches on, only then will prices fall to be within my reach. I look forward to that day, and in the mean time I guess the new baby Hasselblad will be closest to getting my money. Or the next D4x, or the next Phase system.... Or.... Or..... Stuff it, I'm gonna go back to film!

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    Re: Date Counter on Hasselblad Site ?

    All I hear are crickets. LOL!

    Someone slap that "new baby" on the butt will ya!

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    "Also, you've got to wonder how Leica will fear on sales of the S2 when Robert White has it listed at 14246.81 ex VAT and Hasselblad themselves have priced the H4D-40, according to the photographed article above, at 13K ex VAT, including an 80mm standard lens and its own proprietary raw converter. Most dealers I know of sell items slightly below manufacturers RRP. I've said it a few times, but the S2 would suit me down to the ground if only it were priced more in line with the competition. I would appreciate all it has going for it, in particular the weather seals, integrated body and back plus form factor. "

    Once you pay this amount of money, it really doesn't matter anymore, does it?

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