douglasf13
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p.s RawAnalyze isn't a raw converter. It's a raw....well, a raw analyzer. Guy, you should download it and take a look at your RAW's for fun some time.
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I don't think Leica went with DNG because it is Adobe's. The standard is open, and everything worth knowing is public. I think they went with Lightroom for two reasons:Exactly, the RAW converters in question (C1, Phocus, etc) are essentially dedicated to the makers backs first (and in the case of C1) everyone else's second. Leica went with Lightroom since DNG is their native format and Adobe knows it better than anyone. I predict a lot of M8/M9/S2 tweaks in LR3 when it ships.
Carsten, I agree with you about Leica's choice of using the DNG format - because it's an open standard, and I might add, one with the longest theoretical longevity (since it is a standard). Leica used the DNG format for the M8 when it was released in 2006 and shipped with Capture One. Therefore, it is hard to say they chose DNG because it is associated with Adobe.I don't think Leica went with DNG because it is Adobe's. The standard is open, and everything worth knowing is public. I think they went with Lightroom for two reasons:
- Lightroom has the same philosophy as Leica: make it simple but good.
- It was the strongest move left.
I have a feeling that when Leica and Phase hooked up a while back, Leica always thought that the S2 would ship with Capture One. There is no way for me to know this, but I don't see why else they would have tried to make a deal. I don't know what went wrong either. My feeling is that Phase backed out, or worse, but I have no way of justifying that, it is just a gut feeling.
Hmmmm...looks like a Windows only app.p.s RawAnalyze isn't a raw converter. It's a raw....well, a raw analyzer. Guy, you should download it and take a look at your RAW's for fun some time.
It's more than just lens corrections Mark and still to this day LR does not have a proper profile for it. I won't get into all my arguments except to say do NOT underestimate the power of proprietor software for the cam. You don't buy simple solutions to MF you buy control and the power the control brings to the table. This is not a one size fits all situationCarsten, I agree with you about Leica's choice of using the DNG format - because it's an open standard, and I might add, one with the longest theoretical longevity (since it is a standard). Leica used the DNG format for the M8 when it was released in 2006 and shipped with Capture One. Therefore, it is hard to say they chose DNG because it is associated with Adobe.
Now with respect to Leica's switch from Capture One to Adobe Lightroom, I hypothesize that Leica realized the S2 would be in direct competition with Phase One products and therefore it would not be a very good idea to give Phase One access to their S2 customer list and contact information via registration of the Caputure One software. As a result, they had to cut ties with Phase One/Capture One and move to a different raw processing program. At least that is what makes sense to me without any direct or inside knowledge Leica's actual rationale. Fortunately, Leica had the freedom to switch raw converter software because of their previous decision to use an open standard (DNG) as the raw format and their systems do not require lens corrections in the raw converter.
It's more than just lens corrections Mark and still to this day LR does not have a proper profile for it. I won't get into all my arguments except to say do NOT underestimate the power of proprietor software for the cam. You don't buy simple solutions to MF you buy control and the power the control brings to the table. This is not a one size fits all situation
I was not speculating or pretending to know which raw converter is better - just a possible reason for Leica switching.It's more than just lens corrections Mark and still to this day LR does not have a proper profile for it. I won't get into all my arguments except to say do NOT underestimate the power of proprietor software for the cam. You don't buy simple solutions to MF you buy control and the power the control brings to the table. This is not a one size fits all situation
I've actually written about the real events quite a bit in the past, but here's the summary:Since we're speculating on the S2 and LR, what the hell. My gut feeling from the massive confusion, conflicting statements and eventual debacle that was the Leica+Phase "partnership" announcements is:
1. The relationship with Phase at the time the S2 was conceived was planned to be deeper. Use of C1, lenses for Phase, co-sales and service deals, maybe even co-branding, etc. All the things many of us got excited about for roughly 1/2 hr after the press release. All good business sense for Leica making a move into the MFDB market. also a nice niche body for Phase and access to Solms glass tech. At that time Leica would have known that Phase would have access to S2 user data via C1 use. Who cares if your 'deep' partners and revenue sharing?
2. Something went south. Private feedback from the Leica dealer network expressing outrage over a sudden increase in sales competition, Leica falling into the "not invented here trap", Phase/Leica expecting too much, conflict over engineering/marketing/distribution decisions, etc, etc.
3. One of the two, my guess Leica, starts to radically dial the depth of the relationship back- eventually crossing out a bullet point of the deal that, from Phase's PoV was mission-critical. Phase gives the S2 product management team the Bronx cheer.
4. Leica now has a camera about to be released, thankfully using DNG, with no RAW software. Time to start speed-dialing. Adobe says no problem - what the hell, we're agnostic. You're no higher on our list than CaNikon (actually lower given relative sales volumes and model turn-over), but we'll be good for it.
Again, all just speculation, but I'd bet a beer on it.
I like the way it looks!I know its results that matter and what this camera produces is what it counts but oh boy... the thing is terrible ugly.
Guy's got a point, I have to say that for the first time I'm tempted to sell off all my Nikon gear and get into more serious digital shooting. Just tempted.Might just be a great way to get in the MF world for a lot of folks. Bring it on
David, from the Japanese site it looks as though it will be the Pentax version of Silkypix, as has been the case with their smaller DSLRs.Now, back to the Pentax. Anyone know what software will ship with it or if it will offer tethered operation?
Might just be. I have been struggling with the "to MFDB or not" question for a while, and it's mainly the cost vs. functionality thing that I have a hard time justifying. I look forward to seeing what it can do.Might just be a great way to get in the MF world for a lot of folks. Bring it on