Site Sponsors
Page 1 of 2 1 2 LastLast
Results 1 to 50 of 53

Thread: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

  1. #1
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    314
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    3

    in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    I am a bit in a struggle: what to do. I always had Hasselblad H3d and ixpress digital systems, tried all the rest but never was convinced to change system. Last week i got myself a mamiya 645II with a P20+ back. Again, coming from HasselbladH the autofocus is worthless on the mamiya AFD123 camera's. But i really like the long exposures on the phase back and i tried the 645DF wich is a lot better than the AFD seies, especially with the new schneider lenses. But I already own all AF lenses from 35 up to 300mm aswel as the for my work most important hasselblad H lenses. What to do: go for a DF, perhaps with a P40+ or go for the Hasselblad H4d40 and sell the mamamiya stuff???????......

  2. #2
    Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    201
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by H3dtogo View Post
    I am a bit in a struggle: what to do. I always had Hasselblad H3d and ixpress digital systems, tried all the rest but never was convinced to change system. Last week i got myself a mamiya 645II with a P20+ back. Again, coming from HasselbladH the autofocus is worthless on the mamiya AFD123 camera's. But i really like the long exposures on the phase back and i tried the 645DF wich is a lot better than the AFD seies, especially with the new schneider lenses. But I already own all AF lenses from 35 up to 300mm aswel as the for my work most important hasselblad H lenses. What to do: go for a DF, perhaps with a P40+ or go for the Hasselblad H4d40 and sell the mamamiya stuff???????......
    Keep in mind that the Hasselblad long exposure (LE) does not require the black shot like PhaseOne does. So a 4 minute H exposure is 4 minutes, where the PhaseOne photograph is 8 minutes (this is what I was told by a Phase rep, so if I am wrong, please correct me). Personally I could not live with that limitation.

    I don't want to turn this in the a brand smashing thread, so I will add that I have seen great stuff produced by PhaseOne backs, you probably can't go wrong either way.

    Kind regards,
    Derek Jecxz
    www.jecxz.com

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    528
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Does it really matter?

    I do know upgrade prices are pretty much the same. I got an offer to upgrade towards the 645DF + P65 for practically the same money as upgrading towards the H4D60.

    As Derek mentioned, you can go either way.

  4. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    314
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    3

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    It is just that i have a lot of fun lenses for the mamiya system, unavailable at hasselblad. On the other hand, i am using hassie for more than 7 years now.....Maybe i just go for a DF body and put a CF back on it.

  5. #5
    Sr. Administrator Jack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Los Altos, CA
    Posts
    10,486
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    1031

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    I understand your pain -- there is no single ideal solution available that does everything at 100%...

    Bottom line is to use whichever system generates the best images for you. This philosophy looks at the entire imaging process from capture through processing; so the ergonomics of the camera come into play, as do the range and selection of lenses, the features of the back that allow or prevent you from doing what you want to do, and finally the software you use to process.

    Nut all that out, and I think you'll arrive at the answer that works best for you.
    Jack
    home: www.getdpi.com

    "Perfection is not attainable. But if we chase perfection, we can catch excellence."

  6. #6
    Workshop Member Wayne Fox's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Draper, Utah
    Posts
    871
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    134

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by H3dtogo View Post
    But i really like the long exposures on the phase back ...
    ... a P40+
    I'm pretty sure the p40+ is limited in long exposure like the p65+ to 1 minute.

    If you are interested in long exposures, the p45+ may be the best option ... up to one hour. (as pointed out by someone else, this requires a dark exposure equivalent to the main exposure, but the results have outstanding noise performance.

  7. #7
    Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    201
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Bottom line is to use whichever system generates the best images for you. This philosophy looks at the entire imaging process from capture through processing; so the ergonomics of the camera come into play, as do the range and selection of lenses, the features of the back that allow or prevent you from doing what you want to do, and finally the software you use to process.

    Nut all that out, and I think you'll arrive at the answer that works best for you.
    Jack said it best. Both systems will do the job; base your decisions on what works best for image creation (ergonomics, lenses, etc...). Good luck with your decision.

    Kind regards,
    Derek Jecxz
    www.jecxz.com

  8. #8
    Senior Member yaya's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    London, UK
    Posts
    1,168
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    38

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    If you already have all the H lenses (not sure from your post) then you can find a used H2 and put a Phase back on it for the long exposures.

  9. #9
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    berlin/germany
    Posts
    32
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    technical wise i don't see such a big difference between the systems.
    but since no company has left their customers standing in the rain so many times like phase/mamiya did i definitely would go for hasselblad.

  10. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    1,347
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    12

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by wolf65 View Post
    no company has left their customers standing in the rain so many times like phase/mamiya did
    ??

  11. #11
    Administrator Bob's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Prescott, Arizona
    Posts
    4,492
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    367

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by wolf65 View Post
    technical wise i don't see such a big difference between the systems.
    but since no company has left their customers standing in the rain so many times like phase/mamiya did i definitely would go for hasselblad.
    Now this is not called for without evidence. No camera maker has offered me an umbrella, but I have been well treated IMO by phase (so far crossing fingers...)
    -bob

  12. #12
    Super Duper
    Senior Member
    carstenw's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Berlin, Germany
    Posts
    2,530
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    I think Phase has caught up with their promises except for the grip. Hasselblad has also made a series of promises in the past, which they took a long time to live up to, such as live view on the H3DII-50, but I think they have also caught up, haven't they? I don't see any particular difference between those two companies. The two nice companies are the two which lost
    Carsten - Website

  13. #13
    Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    201
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    I've never seen such a nice and calm thread about both Hasselblad and PhaseOne. What could possibly be next?

    Kind regards,
    Derek Jecxz
    www.jecxz.com

  14. #14
    Senior Member KeithL's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    832
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by jecxz View Post
    I've never seen such a nice and calm thread about both Hasselblad and PhaseOne. What could possibly be next?
    www.jecxz.com
    A calm thread about the Leica S2 perhaps?

    Best

    Keith

  15. #15
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    314
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    3

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    I will see what my used back will make in an upgrade. I lean towards Hasselblad-H because of the long exposures without black....... and already havea P20+ for my hobby photography. I hate to drag around my H3dII-39MS on location but the 645AFD3 simply lack's real autofocus wich the hasselblad does have. Maybe a CF39 on a DF mamiya body.... First i want to really test the DF body. Phase claims faster AF than H3 can deliver but they only test it with their new Schneider lenses. I have mamiya lenses and want to know....

  16. #16
    Administrator Bob's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Prescott, Arizona
    Posts
    4,492
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    367

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    I tried Jack's DF during a recent visit and it was amazing just how much better AF and shutter lag were.
    I am (impatiently) waiting for the delivery of my own, but meanwhile I have time to try out the Hassy offering.
    -bob

  17. #17
    Administrator, Instructor Guy Mancuso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    23,623
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2555

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by KeithL View Post
    A calm thread about the Leica S2 perhaps?

    Best

    Keith
    Your asking way too much. LOL

    Hell someone had to say it.
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

    www.guymancusophotography.com

  18. #18
    Administrator, Instructor Guy Mancuso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    23,623
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2555

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    I tried Jack's DF during a recent visit and it was amazing just how much better AF and shutter lag were.
    I am (impatiently) waiting for the delivery of my own, but meanwhile I have time to try out the Hassy offering.
    -bob
    Yes and the wait is just nuts, Phase needs to get these OUT THE DOOR
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

    www.guymancusophotography.com

  19. #19
    Administrator Bob's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Prescott, Arizona
    Posts
    4,492
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    367

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Don't misinterpret me, I LOVE the P65+, but when shooting people even in-studio, I find myself reaching for the 1Ds3 even though the files are much leas pleasing. The Phase is still my weapon of choice for landscape, but I would rather be using it more universally.
    Studio work has me interested in giving the Hassy a test flight, and I intend to do that while waiting for the DF. My guess is that the DF will probably work well enough in studio for my purposes, but so might the Hassy.
    -bob

  20. #20
    Administrator, Instructor Guy Mancuso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    23,623
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2555

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Without the new DF not sure I would still be holding on because of the body reasons. The back and software in my mind are one of the best in the business.Hassy has a nice body and now the Df I would say they equal out pretty good now. They both make great lenses , backs and software so with the bodies sort of equaling out makes this decision harder but Phase still gives you a focal plane shutter at 1/4000 with 3 LS lenses now so I would give the Phase the advantage with these new lenses on board. Hassy is still 1/800 leaf shutter and can't go faster. So now Phase may have some advantages over it today. But for many this means nothing as well. It really comes down to needs wants and what works best for you. Both systems have tons of accessories and lenses out there with a long legacy of older glass so plenty of stuff out there to use. Phase will also take V lenses as well with adapter. Phase does have the advantage of using Leaf backs as well and the ability to switch mounts to a different body down the road. Hassy really does not have that ability but again this stuff has to matter to you in the first place. So if not needed than no reason to buy it.
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

    www.guymancusophotography.com

  21. #21
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    313
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Phase does have the advantage of using Leaf backs as well and the ability to switch mounts to a different body down the road. Hassy really does not have that ability
    Actually the Hasselblad CF backs do allow you to switch platforms.
    Nick-T

  22. #22
    Administrator, Instructor Guy Mancuso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    23,623
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2555

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Thanks Nick
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

    www.guymancusophotography.com

  23. #23
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    314
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    3

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    I think i will have to order a P40 with DF body and sell the new unused back.

  24. #24
    Super Duper
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Royal Oak, MI and Palm Harbor, FL
    Posts
    8,498
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    44

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Hassey USA has a supply of brand new H2s with prism and 80mm lens ... 1 year warranty. Slap a H mount P45 on one and you're there. The autofocus you want, with the long exposures you want.

    -Marc

  25. #25
    Administrator, Instructor Guy Mancuso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    23,623
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2555

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by H3dtogo View Post
    I think i will have to order a P40 with DF body and sell the new unused back.
    Lovin It
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

    www.guymancusophotography.com

  26. #26
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    314
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    3

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    That seems to be the only fast way to get a DF body :-))

  27. #27
    Administrator, Instructor Guy Mancuso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    23,623
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2555

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    YUP the fastest way to get a DF body is BUY a new back. Just had a member buy a P40+ with new DF body got it in a week or so. Look at trade in. Your body and back with a dealer. Mine is Capture Integration and they are friends and do support the GetDPI family. At least something to look into. Steve and Dave are here to help if that is the direction you want to go. Look at Leaf also with there new back. You should also contact a Hassy dealer as well. Certainly does not hurt to ask around with the dealers to see what they can do for you.
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

    www.guymancusophotography.com

  28. #28
    Workshop Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    NYC
    Posts
    3,275
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    7

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by H3dtogo View Post
    I am a bit in a struggle: what to do. I always had Hasselblad H3d and ixpress digital systems, tried all the rest but never was convinced to change system. Last week i got myself a mamiya 645II with a P20+ back. Again, coming from HasselbladH the autofocus is worthless on the mamiya AFD123 camera's. But i really like the long exposures on the phase back and i tried the 645DF wich is a lot better than the AFD seies, especially with the new schneider lenses. But I already own all AF lenses from 35 up to 300mm aswel as the for my work most important hasselblad H lenses. What to do: go for a DF, perhaps with a P40+ or go for the Hasselblad H4d40 and sell the mamamiya stuff???????......
    Our company sells Phase One, but we wouldn't do so simply for the sake of selling another unit. Before a major platform swap you should do an evaluation of what is and isn't working for you on your existing gear and you'd gain and lose with different gear.

    If you're looking for really long exposures then a P45+ is going to be the best back in the world. (as noted elsewhere on this thread the P40+ and 65+ are very weak for exposures past a minute).

    The DF body, is in my experience, the fastest and most accurate Autofocus system in medium format* - but of course you should handle an H4D-40 and DF body yourself and make up your own mind. It's nice that with Phase One you can upgrade your back and body independently and backup bodies are very inexpensive and don't have to be purchased new and matched at the factory. The inclusion of the body-shutter also opens up a huge range of lens options as you noted - basically anything that can physically attach and can be focused mechanically can be used. I've seen everything from Leica microscope lenses (that was my experiment) to a Canon 85mm f/1.2 lens (for macro work - it could not focus at infinity). The entire series of Hassy 500 and 200 series lenses, pentax, etc etc etc.

    The option of keeping your H lens investment and experience with that platform and simply adding a P45+H and H2 body is also logical to me.

    It's logical to look at all possibilities, but I think you can scratch Leaf off your list as none of them have good long exposure capabilities so you would neither maintain your investment nor gain long exposures.

    Finally, if you've not used Capture One or had it properly demonstrated to you it is a fantastic piece of software (you can also use LightRoom or ACR to directly open the P45+ files without any need to convert or uncompress them) and a very big reason to join the Phase One family.

    *I was able to handle an H4D-40 at a launch event last week so I'm including that in my opinion

    Doug Peterson (e-mail Me)
    __________________
    Head of Technical Services, Capture Integration
    Phase One, Leaf, Cambo, Canon, Apple, Profoto, Eizo & More
    National: 877.217.9870 *| *Cell: 740.707.2183
    Newsletter: Read Latest or Sign Up
    RSS Feed: Subscribe
    Buy Capture One at 10% off
    Personal Work

  29. #29
    Super Duper
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Royal Oak, MI and Palm Harbor, FL
    Posts
    8,498
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    44

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpetersonci View Post

    (you can also use LightRoom or ACR to directly open the P45+ files without any need to convert or uncompress them)

    [font="Arial"]Doug Peterson (e-mail Me)
    __________________
    FYI, I open my Hasselblad H3D-II/39 files straight from the CF card into Lightroom and Bridge and have a Hasselblad profile to choose from ... with no need to even open Phocus if I don't want to. Leaf files also open directly into Bridge (or at least they used to with my 75s).

    So, I'm not sure what MFD system you are implying as needing to convert before using ACR in LR or Bridge ... Sinar?

    -Marc

  30. #30
    Administrator Bob's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Prescott, Arizona
    Posts
    4,492
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    367

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpetersonci View Post
    Our company sells Phase One, but we wouldn't do so simply for the sake of selling another unit. Before a major platform swap you should do an evaluation of what is and isn't working for you on your existing gear and you'd gain and lose with different gear.

    If you're looking for really long exposures then a P45+ is going to be the best back in the world. (as noted elsewhere on this thread the P40+ and 65+ are very weak for exposures past a minute).

    The DF body, is in my experience, the fastest and most accurate Autofocus system in medium format* - but of course you should handle an H4D-40 and DF body yourself and make up your own mind. It's nice that with Phase One you can upgrade your back and body independently and backup bodies are very inexpensive and don't have to be purchased new and matched at the factory. The inclusion of the body-shutter also opens up a huge range of lens options as you noted - basically anything that can physically attach and can be focused mechanically can be used. I've seen everything from Leica microscope lenses (that was my experiment) to a Canon 85mm f/1.2 lens (for macro work - it could not focus at infinity). The entire series of Hassy 500 and 200 series lenses, pentax, etc etc etc.

    The option of keeping your H lens investment and experience with that platform and simply adding a P45+H and H2 body is also logical to me.

    It's logical to look at all possibilities, but I think you can scratch Leaf off your list as none of them have good long exposure capabilities so you would neither maintain your investment nor gain long exposures.

    Finally, if you've not used Capture One or had it properly demonstrated to you it is a fantastic piece of software (you can also use LightRoom or ACR to directly open the P45+ files without any need to convert or uncompress them) and a very big reason to join the Phase One family.

    *I was able to handle an H4D-40 at a launch event last week so I'm including that in my opinion

    Doug Peterson (e-mail Me)
    __________________
    Head of Technical Services, Capture Integration
    Phase One, Leaf, Cambo, Canon, Apple, Profoto, Eizo & More
    National: 877.217.9870 *| *Cell: 740.707.2183
    Newsletter: Read Latest or Sign Up
    RSS Feed: Subscribe
    Buy Capture One at 10% off
    Personal Work
    OK, Doug
    I want a DF body; like now; if it is that good.
    -bob

  31. #31
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    313
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpetersonci View Post
    *I was able to handle an H4D-40 at a launch event last week so I'm including that in my opinion
    Somebody needs to have a word with Hasselblad security

  32. #32
    Senior Member Steve Hendrix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    420
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    4

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    FYI, I open my Hasselblad H3D-II/39 files straight from the CF card into Lightroom and Bridge and have a Hasselblad profile to choose from ... with no need to even open Phocus if I don't want to. Leaf files also open directly into Bridge (or at least they used to with my 75s).

    So, I'm not sure what MFD system you are implying as needing to convert before using ACR in LR or Bridge ... Sinar?

    -Marc

    If a Leaf Aptus II (or Aptus, or Aptus S), is shot with compression on to a CF card, the files must either be run through the Leaf decompress utility or opened in Leaf Capture and edited (some saved adjustment must be made) before they will open in Lightroom or Bridge (ACR).


    Steve Hendrix
    Steve Hendrix, Sales Manager, www.captureintegration.com (e-mail Me)
    Digital Cam: Phase One | Leaf | Leica | Sinar Authorized Reseller
    TechCam: Alpa | Cambo | Arca Swiss | Sinar Authorized Reseller

  33. #33
    Workshop Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Jupiter, Fla.
    Posts
    1,967
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick-T View Post
    Somebody needs to have a word with Hasselblad security
    If you guys let Doug in there I'd say "Hasselblad security" is an oxymoron

  34. #34
    Workshop Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    NYC
    Posts
    3,275
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    7

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by David K View Post
    If you guys let Doug in there I'd say "Hasselblad security" is an oxymoron
    :-)

    I RSVP'd in advance and sought the blessing of the Hassy guys when I arrived. They were welcoming and I returned the respect by being restraining myself to observation. We would show the same courtesy to anyone who wanted to attend an event we were hosting.

    We may take issue with some of the decisions Hasselblad Corporate HQ has made in the past two years as they have closed off their system, but that doesn't mean we don't have great respect for the individuals who work for Hasselblad in the US. In fact, John Williams (Hasselblad Dealer) and I had some beers after the event - he's a great guy. I've previously mostly spoken with him on the phone so it was nice to sit down in person. Especially over a trifecta of Hitachino Ginger/White/Red Ale.

    Doug Peterson (e-mail Me)
    __________________
    Head of Technical Services, Capture Integration
    Phase One, Leaf, Cambo, Canon, Apple, Profoto, Eizo & More
    National: 877.217.9870 *| *Cell: 740.707.2183
    Newsletter: Read Latest or Sign Up
    RSS Feed: Subscribe
    Buy Capture One at 10% off
    Personal Work

  35. #35
    Super Duper
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Royal Oak, MI and Palm Harbor, FL
    Posts
    8,498
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    44

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Hendrix View Post
    If a Leaf Aptus II (or Aptus, or Aptus S), is shot with compression on to a CF card, the files must either be run through the Leaf decompress utility or opened in Leaf Capture and edited (some saved adjustment must be made) before they will open in Lightroom or Bridge (ACR).


    Steve Hendrix
    Well, that makes sense. However, if you are a Lightroom user then you simply don't shoot compressed Leaf files therefore can open the Leaf files directly in LR or Bridge.

    This is an important distinction IMO. I often shoot mixed formats on a job and like to dump all the files sorted by time shot into one file and place them into a Lightroom Library. I can assemble shots done with a M9, Hassey, Sony and my second shooter's Canon into one folder and edit, correct and output them, including any PS work or applications of Define 2, right out of LR.

    Time is money, and IMO nothing is a fast as LR to job completion.

    So, contrary to implied messages here ... the Hasselblad and Leaf files DO open up directly in Lightroom and Bridge ... and, BTW, the Hassey files open directly in Aperture also.

    The advantages of proprietary processing software are obvious, but aren't needed for every single shot you take. I use Phocus and C1 V5.0.2 (and Leaf Capture when I had an Aptus) for their specific advantages in any given "special" case. I am not as proficient in Phocus or C1 as I am in LR, but I do not have to be. Lightroom serves for 90% of images shot ... and because of the new tools available in LR, most files never need utilize the PS or Define 2 options anymore.

    Different strokes for different folks.

    -Marc

  36. #36
    Super Duper
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Royal Oak, MI and Palm Harbor, FL
    Posts
    8,498
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    44

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    So, Doug ... your impressions of the focus comparisons at the Hasselblad event were done as a side-by-side (H4D and new Phase/Mamiya) in the same lighting and subject conditions ... right?

    When comparing systems for specific attributes ... shouldn't it be directly apples-to-apples? Personally, I often invite someone who's impartial opinion I value ... like Irakly did when I test drove a Leaf AFi in my studio against my H3D-II, or more recently trying a S2 with my pal Ed Richter with his Canon 1DsMIII, since my objective was to see if the S2 could indeed replace a 35mm DSLR as implied by Leica marketing.

    That's why I like comparisons done like Guy and Jack did recently with their Phase Products and the S2. Apples-to-apples.

    -Marc

  37. #37
    Workshop Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    NYC
    Posts
    3,275
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    7

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    So, Doug ... your impressions of the focus comparisons at the Hasselblad event were done as a side-by-side (H4D and new Phase/Mamiya) in the same lighting and subject conditions ... right?

    When comparing systems for specific attributes ... shouldn't it be directly apples-to-apples? Personally, I often invite someone who's impartial opinion I value ... like Irakly did when I test drove a Leaf AFi in my studio against my H3D-II, or more recently trying a S2 with my pal Ed Richter with his Canon 1DsMIII, since my objective was to see if the S2 could indeed replace a 35mm DSLR as implied by Leica marketing.

    That's why I like comparisons done like Guy and Jack did recently with their Phase Products and the S2. Apples-to-apples.

    -Marc
    Unfortunately I wasn't given the option to take the H4D-40 home with me and I didn't think it was polite to bring a P65+/DF to the Hasselblad-sponsored H4D-40 launch party for my direct comparison as it might have made those still waiting for the H4D-60 to ship a bit sore . *

    Your point is absolutely well taken. My one day with the H4D in a small number of lighting scenarios cannot by definition be completely conclusive. Anyone buying such a system would be well advised to put both in their own hands (as I said in my original post) with their own typical shooting scenario to see how each system handles for them.

    I would surely surely love the opportunity to further test the systems head to head and in a greater variety of scenarios, and Capture Integration would gladly provide a DF system at as reasonable rate as can make sense (discounted rental with credit towards purchase if shipped, or free if used within a drive of one of our studios) to anyone who would like to do so.

    The bottom line, since I should focus on products that I am intimately familiar with and avoid talking about products that we don't sell is this:
    The Autofocus on the DF rocks.


    *I mean this in good humor. Allow me a little fun when I'm posting at 5am.

    Doug Peterson (e-mail Me)
    __________________
    Head of Technical Services, Capture Integration
    Phase One, Leaf, Cambo, Canon, Apple, Profoto, Eizo & More
    National: 877.217.9870 *| *Cell: 740.707.2183
    Newsletter: Read Latest or Sign Up
    RSS Feed: Subscribe
    Buy Capture One at 10% off
    Personal Work

  38. #38
    Administrator, Instructor Guy Mancuso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    23,623
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2555

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Sending a Starbucks card Doug. LOL
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

    www.guymancusophotography.com

  39. #39
    Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    201
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Sending a Starbucks card Doug. LOL
    Too fancy for a proletariat.

    Kind regards,
    Derek

  40. #40
    Administrator, Instructor Guy Mancuso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    23,623
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2555

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Short story on that. I went to Starbucks everyday and one day the lady I knew behind the counter we got to talkin and the price issue came up. So we came up with I was spending 2800 dollars a year at Starbucks. Now that is a nice lens to me. LOL So i went out and bought a espresso machine for 225 dollars and been making it myself . The pods cost 55 cents each and i don't have to drive there any more. Obviously this is gear slut mentality, if I can get a lens instead than it makes sense to me. LOL
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

    www.guymancusophotography.com

  41. #41
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    314
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    3

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    And i was thinking to myself: why not use what i have got, i made some great pictures with it in the past, why not do so in the future. I make a profit of at least 14K by not buing stuff until i have sold some gear. Btw, how much should a Hasselblad H1 with Sinarback Emotion22 be worth. I am thinking of selling it but want to get a fair price.

  42. #42
    Administrator, Instructor Guy Mancuso's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Arizona
    Posts
    23,623
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2555

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Take a look at this link gives you some idea on value in trades towards a P40+ or P65+

    Bottom line the idea here is to get you in so trade values are very good.

    http://www.captureintegration.com/20...s-of-the-year/

    Now I am not sure if Hassy does off brand trade ins. Maybe someone can help show this or not


    Anymore it seems to me trade ins are a better value than outright selling . Obviously you have to stay within the MF line. But I did trade in myself and was pleased with the difference in price. Obviously not for everyone of course but I was staying within Phase anyway so it made sense at the time. Look at all these options out there you just never know how well you can do.
    Also I believe this is with any Phase dealer
    Photography is all about experimentation and without it you will never learn art.

    www.guymancusophotography.com

  43. #43
    Super Duper
    Senior Member

    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Royal Oak, MI and Palm Harbor, FL
    Posts
    8,498
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    44

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Take a look at this link gives you some idea on value in trades towards a P40+ or P65+

    Bottom line the idea here is to get you in so trade values are very good.

    http://www.captureintegration.com/20...s-of-the-year/

    Now I am not sure if Hassy does off brand trade ins. Maybe someone can help show this or not


    Anymore it seems to me trade ins are a better value than outright selling . Obviously you have to stay within the MF line. But I did trade in myself and was pleased with the difference in price. Obviously not for everyone of course but I was staying within Phase anyway so it made sense at the time. Look at all these options out there you just never know how well you can do.
    Also I believe this is with any Phase dealer
    Yep, any brand MF and digital back is eligible for trade if Hassey is still running their promo. This was before the H4D/40 was announced, so I don't know if it'll be included or not.

  44. #44
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    313
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpetersonci View Post
    :-)

    I RSVP'd in advance and sought the blessing of the Hassy guys when I arrived. They were welcoming and I returned the respect by being restraining myself to observation. We would show the same courtesy to anyone who wanted to attend an event we were hosting.
    Doug I'm sure you realised I was joking, at Photokina I spent a bit of time on the Phase and Leaf and Sinar stands (wearing a Hasselblad shirt as I was demoing the HTS) and they were all very welcoming and professional.

    Nick-T

    (The only issue we had at Photokina was the huge number of Phase users wanting to see the HTS

  45. #45
    Workshop Member ptomsu's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Austria, close to Vienna
    Posts
    3,872
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    In doubt I would suggest today - after all my experiences Hasselblad!

    Took me over a year to decide, tested Phase and Hassi and really liked Phase, but finally decided for a Hasselblad. I must admit it was the great price offer initially.

    Now after using it for almost 3 months I would never ever again decide for anything else. Several reasons which are fitting perfectly - handling, IQ, the quality and functionality of Phocus (always thought this can only be done in C1) and the perfect lenses.

    So if you do not need the shutter speeds shorter that 1/800 go for it, you will not regret. And think twice if you really need faster speeds, I thought so but for what I use MF I actually do not need it so far.

    Just my 5c - hope that helps

  46. #46
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    314
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    3

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Well, i have made up my mind but... first i will have to sell my H3dII-39 multishot camera. It is as new, 4899 shots taken, in box only 12750 euro.

  47. #47
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    314
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    3

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Decided to do nothing and spent the money for selfpromotion. Any more pixels will not make more profit and the H3dII39MS is as good as i can buy at the moment.

  48. #48
    Administrator Bob's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Prescott, Arizona
    Posts
    4,492
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    367

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    I recently received my new DF body from CI.
    It is focusing very well and much better than the AFDIII
    Shutter lag is a non-issue at this point
    AF is fast and totally acceptable, more AF points would be nice, but not really a primary issue, but might be a nice future enhancement.
    thanks
    -bob

  49. #49
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    314
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    3

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Now I am looking for someone who wants to trade his Mamiya AFD Sinar emotion adapterplate for a Hasselblad H plat. ( I have the Hasselblad H plate and want to tade it for a mamiya one).

  50. #50
    Workshop Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Jupiter, Fla.
    Posts
    1,967
    Post Thanks / Like
    Images
    2

    Re: in doubt: Hasselblad VS Phase One

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    I recently received my new DF body from CI.
    It is focusing very well and much better than the AFDIII
    Shutter lag is a non-issue at this point
    AF is fast and totally acceptable, more AF points would be nice, but not really a primary issue, but might be a nice future enhancement.
    thanks
    -bob
    Great news Bob, I know you've been waiting for this patiently !!!!

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •