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    #3; this place is so full of color...

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    another version of this one; for some reason?? the raw file was about 29meg compared to around 24 meg for the others; had to reduce it's size a bit more to fit the forum.

    i am also finding my images come into flexcolor at temp 5500, tint of 10, but need to be set to 4750 and tint 30 virtually in every case (outdoor shots). I have the back set to daylight.
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    Great images John! I really enjoyed them. Nothing quite like that shipyard up here in Alaska....at least, not in my neck of the woods. You're getting great results from that CFV back. Look forward to seeing more of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    another version of this one; for some reason?? the raw file was about 29meg compared to around 24 meg for the others; had to reduce it's size a bit more to fit the forum.

    i am also finding my images come into flexcolor at temp 5500, tint of 10, but need to be set to 4750 and tint 30 virtually in every case (outdoor shots). I have the back set to daylight.
    John

    I use the same color temp but found that I got the most accurate overall color using a tint of between 43 and 55. I built several presets around these values for use in Phocus. So far the results have been really nice. But out of the back the yellow bias is very prevalent thus the need for additional magenta.

    Woody

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    thanks gary. i am having a blast with it. for the first time i am really enjoying the color work. love that sq format as well. I enjoyed your b/w work as well.

    woody: if i were to go that far in tint, the magenta would be way too strong. i did process these in flex, since i was on my pc. maybe there is s diif? I use the temp drop to compensate for the yellow, but then the tint shift gets rid of the green

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyspedden View Post
    John

    I use the same color temp but found that I got the most accurate overall color using a tint of between 43 and 55. I built several presets around these values for use in Phocus. So far the results have been really nice. But out of the back the yellow bias is very prevalent thus the need for additional magenta.

    Woody
    My new CFV-II shoots at about 5700, tint 4 ... and eye-droppering the whites to my taste takes it to about 4900, -8 tint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    My new CFV-II shoots at about 5700, tint 4 ... and eye-droppering the whites to my taste takes it to about 4900, -8 tint.
    I would never argue with the master but that is so far from my experience (and apparently JLM's) that it is hard to reconcile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyspedden View Post
    I would never argue with the master but that is so far from my experience (and apparently JLM's) that it is hard to reconcile.

    Woody
    Woody, that was shooting the CFV-II yesterday as I set up for for a commercial job in studio with my white plex backdrop using Profoto strobes ... which is pretty consistent color temp and a good evaluation of the capture. The plex does have a slight cast to it, so I really need to use a grey card in frame to nail the temp and tint exactly.

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    does flex or phocus allow the use of profiles for the camera, like C1 does? if so, it might be worth making one up. anyone try this?
    ...I know several people made them for the M8 in C1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Woody, that was shooting the CFV-II yesterday as I set up for for a commercial job in studio with my white plex backdrop using Profoto strobes ... which is pretty consistent color temp and a good evaluation of the capture. The plex does have a slight cast to it, so I really need to use a grey card in frame to nail the temp and tint exactly.
    I get you Marc. The CFV II may be different from the CFV I in that regard. My out of camera files from the CFV I are distinctly yellow and Son reported the same. So at least there is consistency and i could imagine there being a tint difference from Flex as opposed to Phocus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    does flex or phocus allow the use of profiles for the camera, like C1 does? if so, it might be worth making one up. anyone try this?
    ...I know several people made them for the M8 in C1.
    john

    i don't know specifically about profiles but it is really easy to make the needed adjustments in Phocus to get the files to look great to you and then simply save as a preset. The preset can then be used to adjust all imported files as a batch and of course can be used as a close starting point for individual images.

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    a shot from this am. playing with Helicon Focus. works best if the bushes don't move, eh?

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    another helicon series fair amount of CA along the railing for you peepers; also the flag moved, he, he, now there are two. shot with the horseman and rodenstock 35

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    one more series, with the 40mm blad

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    quick question: i've been saving these for the forum using Jack's web converter, but the second one got bumped at 751 x 750, or so, using max quality compression (so I reduced comp to high); first one worked fine at max quality), also 750 x 750.
    I thought the limit was 900x900?

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    for a comparison, here is one of the shots used in the Helicon focus series

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    another Helicon series; I love this ball!

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    last one for the day, helicon again from five focus brackets. once again, this file got bumped and I had to use the high setting; the other worked fine

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    Hi John:

    Superb series!!!

    Pixel size limit for attached images is 900x900. For embeded images -- those you upload to the gallery here or some other host area and then embed the img link in the post here -- there is no size limit, but they will automatically get sized to a 900x1200 initial post size if larger than that to begin with, requiring a second click to get to the full size it was uploaded at. Hope that clarifies!

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    jack: when i check CS3, it says my jpgs are 750 x750; the bumped ones show as 405kb and the message says the limit is 375kb

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    jack: when i check CS3, it says my jpgs are 750 x750; the bumped ones show as 405kb and the message says the limit is 375kb
    Okay, understand now. Yes, we limit attachment image sizes to 389K to help keep the page loads fast. MF backs tend to put more detail in an image, even a downsized jpeg, and so sometimes you'll need to change the quality to an 8 or 9 to get it under that 398K limit. You'll see that option on the save dialog box that comes up for you to name the image, default is set to 10 and may ned to be dropped. If you want to permanently lower that value, open an image then double click on that step in the action, when the dialog pops up, any value you enter in the box becomes the new default for the action
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    had a weird thing happen with the back: several shots (maybe ten) came in very magenta, as if the green channel was dead. interspersed with good ones when i was shooting a focus series. happened with the blad and the horse. then the problem went away.
    when i went out a couple of hours later, the image preview was not working, though the screen indicated shots were being stored. i changed out the battery and all was well, including no more magenta shots.

    also, how do you get the 205 body/CFV to mark the correct date in exif? It isn't still year 2000, is it?

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    one more note, re my workflow, which might be useful and hopefully promote some other insights.
    shots are at iso 100, aperture kept in the f8-f11 range, back set to daylight. i try to set the histogram so it doesn't clip at the top, but usually get better results if i underexpose one more stop.
    as a habit, i try to frame close, none of the shots shown are cropped
    i'm primarily using a pc and flexcolor, latest version. every shot comes in green and warm, so the first step is to set temp to about 4600-4750, tint to 33-43. then i go the histogram and move in the shadow slider to the edge of the graph, maybe move the highlight slider down to the graph, maybe shift the midtone around to taste. final check of overall exposure, maybe a tweak, and save as a tiff, 300 ppi, which gives a 13 x 13 print size.
    load into CS3, check color sat, (maybe a small adjust), check brightness and contrast, spot heal any sensor blobs, save as a tiff, no unsharp mask used generally
    if printing, let imageprint scale up from 13 x 13 to fit the 17 x17 page, use the ICC for harman gloss fb, printing on epson 4880
    if for the web, run jack's action.

    if running helicon, load 3-5 focus bracket tiff's and run, saving as a tiff. this was my first try at helicon. it doesn't like moving subjects, ha ha

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    had a weird thing happen with the back: several shots (maybe ten) came in very magenta, as if the green channel was dead. interspersed with good ones when i was shooting a focus series. happened with the blad and the horse. then the problem went away.
    when i went out a couple of hours later, the image preview was not working, though the screen indicated shots were being stored. i changed out the battery and all was well, including no more magenta shots.

    also, how do you get the 205 body/CFV to mark the correct date in exif? It isn't still year 2000, is it?
    Regarding magenta cast images:
    This is a sync problem with the back and shutter. On the CFV you have the option of setting the shutter acquisition time, <=1/8, 1/4. 1/2, 1 or longer. When your shutter opens before the back has had time to "wake up" a magenta cast image is produced. When using the CFV with a view camera, set the CFV to "Flash sync" and connect the cable to the flash connector on the lens and the other end to the CFV. If the 205TCC has been modified for the CFV then the back may have gone to sleep and did not have enough time to wake up, in this case if two shots were made sequentially, the first would have a magenta cast and the second correctly rendered.

    Image preview is controlled by the "i" button it cycles through image preview, histogram and off. I have hit this button accidently many a time and wondered where my image preview has gone.

    The date/time is controlled by a RECHARGEABLE battery on the main circuit board. You must plug in the firewire cable to the back and PC change the settings on the CFV to never turn off and with the PC on, let the back charge for 12 hours at first. The charge should hold for a few weeks, you must do this every couple of weeks, if the charge does not hold, then the main circuit board needs to be replaced. It seems that a lot of people have had this problem, myself included. The back must be sent to Sweden for the board change out.

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    Al:
    i hooked the back up to my macbook pro and it charged overnight and is now shoeing today's date thanks the PC firewire connection does not supply charging...i haven't yet tried to see if it works otherwise (only flex is available for the pc right now)
    i was frantically hitting that i button, that was not the problem.

    I have been selecting SWC mode for my back and cabling it into one of the flash syc ports on the back, on the side of the firewire port. maybe oi had the wrong socket, as i now see there is one on the other side (unlabeled)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    Al:
    i hooked the back up to my macbook pro and it charged overnight and is now shoeing today's date thanks the PC firewire connection does not supply charging...i haven't yet tried to see if it works otherwise (only flex is available for the pc right now)
    i was frantically hitting that i button, that was not the problem.

    I have been selecting SWC mode for my back and cabling it into one of the flash syc ports on the back, on the side of the firewire port. maybe oi had the wrong socket, as i now see there is one on the other side (unlabeled)
    John,
    Check to see if the battery holds the charge, the fault is with the main circuit board that provides the logic to the charging of the battery.

    When using it with a view camera, set the CFV to flash sync, and cable it with the PC-Mini cable to the top socket on the left side of the back. The CFV flash sync is set for "X" sync, on some older view camera lenses, you have the option for "M" sync. With "M" sync the flash is triggered before the shutter is fully opened, "X" when the shutter is open to the widest point. This is enough to cause the magenta cast over the frame. The SWC setting on the CFV is meant to compensate for the standard mechanical triggering of the CFV via the film magazine arm. Attaching the sync cable to the CFV and setting it to SWC may have confused it.

    Lots of different combinations to play with, I have tried a lot of different ones to make old cameras work with the digital age.

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    Re: CFV back

    found this nugget in the manual
    "SWC
    For use with 903 SWC and 905 SWC models.
    • Make an SWC setting.
    PLEASE NOTE: Due to the mechanical design of the SWC, pressing the exposure release button
    too slowly may cause a faulty capture with a magenta cast. Either press the button much more
    distinctly or alternatively change the setting from SWC to Flash sync and use the flash sync
    cable to connect the lens to the CFV. "

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    Even when I set the CFV BACK to SWC and use the <1/8 setting , i get occasionally shots with a magenta cast . An exposure setting of longer than 1/8 helps , but I decided to use the flash sync setting and the flash sync cable , to be on the safe side .
    No more problems since .

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    did you see the note about quick pressing the shutter button?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    did you see the note about quick pressing the shutter button?
    The SWC has a longer throw of the actuating (Red dot actuator) arm than the 500C by about 1/8th of an inch. When you use the "old" habit of squeezing the shutter, the arm is extended and activates the CFV to wake up and start capturing a bit sooner. With a setting <1/8 you have short window for the exposure to take place. If you extend the capture time to 1 sec then you have a longer time to expose. Using the flash sync does cure the magenta problem but I don't like to walk around with a cable attached all of the time.

    Hasselblad did a great job marrying the old mechanical system with the new digital age. The solution for the trigger is based on average time delay for full shutter exposure based on the type of camera used. As such, it is not as reliable as the flash sync. The other brands require the flash cable to trigger the back.

    Even with the minor tweeks to the camera/back profile the combination is well worth the investment. When you consider that 1960's vintage cameras and lenses can be married to digital capture, it is the ultimate recycle story!

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    Amen, brother! i love that CFV back and the 205TCC body ergonomics and look.

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    Al and Jim,
    After I sold the CFV + 205TCC to Jim (I am glad to see Jim do so well with CFV/205TCC) and tried many other medium format systems and optics, I finally came back home to the old classic Hasselblad V system where I first begun my photography in 1999. I am glad to join with both of you in this beautiful and classical system. The 205TCC and 205FCC are among the few of my most favorite cameras of all time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pham Minh Son View Post
    Al and Jim,
    After I sold the CFV + 205TCC to Jim (I am glad to see Jim do so well with CFV/205TCC) and tried many other medium format systems and optics, I finally came back home to the old classic Hasselblad V system where I first begun my photography in 1999. I am glad to join with both of you in this beautiful and classical system. The 205TCC and 205FCC are among the few of my most favorite cameras of all time.

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    Just sent my 203FE off for the conversion for the CFV, and will continue to use film or digital with this wonderful camera ... accompanied by it's little leaf shutter 645 brother the H2F
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    and my 203FE is also now off to Sweden for the mod to make it work with digital backs.

    I will be ordering the CFV II back soon so that when the 203FE returns I will be all set. I sold the CWD in order to fund the intial purchase of the H3DII-39.

    Woody

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyspedden View Post
    and my 203FE is also now off to Sweden for the mod to make it work with digital backs.

    I will be ordering the CFV II back soon so that when the 203FE returns I will be all set. I sold the CWD in order to fund the intial purchase of the H3DII-39.

    Woody
    The conversion is now done in the USA Woody. I spoke directly to service and they now have the kits to make the 200 series work with the CFVs.

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    Marc, how could I forget the Godfather of Hasselblad who sent us to hell to cure the 7 sins but only coming back for even more. I am glad to see you and Woody with the 40 CFE IF. You are the only other person that I know beside myself that own both the 40 CFE and the CFE IF. However, I own the CFE in the film day so I was not able to do a comparison. Based on your experience now with both lens and the existing sensor can you see the differences between the two lens?d

    Woody, like Marc mentioned the conversion now can be done in the USA at Parsipany NJ. I simply do not have the heart to convert all of my 205 so I sent the 205TCC to get convert and keeping the 205FCC to shoot film and Sinar back. If Hasselblad make a full square sensor for the CFV III we all be extremely thankful for no more external cable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pham Minh Son View Post
    Marc, how could I forget the Godfather of Hasselblad who sent us to hell to cure the 7 sins but only coming back for even more. I am glad to see you and Woody with the 40 CFE IF. You are the only other person that I know beside myself that own both the 40 CFE and the CFE IF. However, I own the CFE in the film day so I was not able to do a comparison. Based on your experience now with both lens and the existing sensor can you see the differences between the two lens?d

    Woody, like Marc mentioned the conversion now can be done in the USA at Parsipany NJ. I simply do not have the heart to convert all of my 205 so I sent the 205TCC to get convert and keeping the 205FCC to shoot film and Sinar back. If Hasselblad make a full square sensor for the CFV III we all be extremely thankful for no more external cable.

    -Son
    Son, my 40CFE is gone. When I got the new 503CW/CFV & 40IF bundle I sold one of my other 503CWs and 40CFE. So I never had a chance to compare the two side-by-side. I did consider keeping the CFE because it is smaller than the 40IF ... but there is a limit to how much redundant gear I can warehouse

    The comparison I am more interested in is between the HC 35 and 40IF. You may recall I did a bench comparison between the 40CFE and HC 35 using the H3D-II/39 that allows use of both lenses ... and the HC was sharper @ the edges. I want to see if the 40IF cures that. In effect, that will tell me what the differences are between the the two 40 mm lenses.

    I agree wih you about yearning for a larger sensor CFV version. There is so much pent up demand for a larger sensor CFV back that I was surprised when the CFV-II was announced as a 16 meg. I had hoped for a 22 meg 645 senor ... but understand why is would be so hard to make that work for portrait orientation due to the camera's mechanical activation of the CFV.

    Frankly, a 6X6 sensor in a CFV with 9X9 micron pixels ... and I'd be done for a long time to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Son, my 40CFE is gone. When I got the new 503CW/CFV & 40IF bundle I sold one of my other 503CWs and 40CFE. So I never had a chance to compare the two side-by-side. I did consider keeping the CFE because it is smaller than the 40IF ... but there is a limit to how much redundant gear I can warehouse

    The comparison I am more interested in is between the HC 35 and 40IF. You may recall I did a bench comparison between the 40CFE and HC 35 using the H3D-II/39 that allows use of both lenses ... and the HC was sharper @ the edges. I want to see if the 40IF cures that. In effect, that will tell me what the differences are between the the two 40 mm lenses.

    I agree wih you about yearning for a larger sensor CFV version. There is so much pent up demand for a larger sensor CFV back that I was surprised when the CFV-II was announced as a 16 meg. I had hoped for a 22 meg 645 senor ... but understand why is would be so hard to make that work for portrait orientation due to the camera's mechanical activation of the CFV.

    Frankly, a 6X6 sensor in a CFV with 9X9 micron pixels ... and I'd be done for a long time to come.
    Marc, I would join you with a 9 micron pixel size full square sensor on the CFV and I guess I have to plunge into the bank account again for the F-Distagon T* 3.5/40 CFi if that back exist.

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    I have this thing for the 9 micron sensor , reason I went with the P25 plus in the end over the P30 plus
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    I think the CFV II back is a "we ran out of parts" interim solution. The supplier of the LCD screens stopped producing them. In order to keep selling the CFV, Hasselblad had to switch to a larger LCD, while at it, replaced the IR filter with the same one being used in the H system backs. Economy of scale?

    If you look at the aggressive pricing of the CWD/40 promotion, the price is the same as the old CWD with 80. In effect they have discounted the CFV by $2500 if you itemize the components. This looks like they are setting the stage for a large upgrade this coming September. I personally would love a full frame sensor, just don't know if my pocketbook is big enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atanabe View Post
    I think the CFV II back is a "we ran out of parts" interim solution. The supplier of the LCD screens stopped producing them. In order to keep selling the CFV, Hasselblad had to switch to a larger LCD, while at it, replaced the IR filter with the same one being used in the H system backs. Economy of scale?

    If you look at the aggressive pricing of the CWD/40 promotion, the price is the same as the old CWD with 80. In effect they have discounted the CFV by $2500 if you itemize the components. This looks like they are setting the stage for a large upgrade this coming September. I personally would love a full frame sensor, just don't know if my pocketbook is big enough.
    That's probably more accurate than anyone would like to admit. Yet I'll take anything I can get, no matter what the reason is.

    However, staging for a large upgrade this September is wishful thinking ... which I hope is correct ... but I doubt it.

    Think it through. They would have to solve the mechanical triggering issue for anything other than a square sensor. A larger square sensor would only work on the 500 and the discontinued 200 series camera NOT the 645. So without the H camera, economy of scale goes out the window for any new sensor. Phase One is in the same boat ... they also get their sensors from Kodak and are aligned with the Mamiya 645 AFD-III.

    A larger square sensor is more likely to come from Dalsa who makes sensors for Leaf and Sinar ... for application on the Hy6 which is a digital ready 6X6 camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    That's probably more accurate than anyone would like to admit. Yet I'll take anything I can get, no matter what the reason is.

    However, staging for a large upgrade this September is wishful thinking ... which I hope is correct ... but I doubt it.

    Think it through. They would have to solve the mechanical triggering issue for anything other than a square sensor. A larger square sensor would only work on the 500 and the discontinued 200 series camera NOT the 645. So without the H camera, economy of scale goes out the window for any new sensor. Phase One is in the same boat ... they also get their sensors from Kodak and are aligned with the Mamiya 645 AFD-III.

    A larger square sensor is more likely to come from Dalsa who makes sensors for Leaf and Sinar ... for application on the Hy6 which is a digital ready 6X6 camera.
    Mark,
    The cost of a full frame CFV would have to be at least $20K, as the cost of the sensor is dependent on how many sensors per wafer. The size of a 6x6 sensor would be equivalent to 1.3 645 sized sensors which are already in the $20K range.

    It is wishful for a full frame CFV but without dreams where would we be?

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    But what about a 44X44 sensor? It wouldn't be that much now, especially if rumors about FF 645 for Kina are true. Or "better" yet (read cheaper) a smaller 42X42" sensor, big enough for maybe 24million big fat pixels. Big big plus: Will fit every 645 camera in the world. For an example, it would turn a Mamiya 645D into a waist level finder camera!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by atanabe View Post
    Mark,
    The cost of a full frame CFV would have to be at least $20K, as the cost of the sensor is dependent on how many sensors per wafer. The size of a 6x6 sensor would be equivalent to 1.3 645 sized sensors which are already in the $20K range.

    It is wishful for a full frame CFV but without dreams where would we be?

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    And "Me" makes "Three."

    Just sent my 203FE off for the conversion for the CFV, and will continue to use film or digital with this wonderful camera ... accompanied by it's little leaf shutter 645 brother the H2F
    Hi Marc,
    I'm relatively new to the world of Hasselblads....the 203/205 cameras seem to be hard to come by.....are they a real improvement over the 501/503 series cameras? I saw what looked to be a really nice condition 203FE with 110/2 lens and film back on ebay recently for over $5,000....is that about the market price for one of these? Lastly, is the H2F only film or will it take a digital back also? I was trying to determine the difference between the H2 and the H2F.

    I think the 503CWD-II with the 40mm IF lens is still the way for me to go.....but it's good to know about the alternatives.

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    Hi Marc,
    I'm relatively new to the world of Hasselblads....the 203/205 cameras seem to be hard to come by.....are they a real improvement over the 501/503 series cameras? I saw what looked to be a really nice condition 203FE with 110/2 lens and film back on ebay recently for over $5,000....is that about the market price for one of these? Lastly, is the H2F only film or will it take a digital back also? I was trying to determine the difference between the H2 and the H2F.

    I think the 503CWD-II with the 40mm IF lens is still the way for me to go.....but it's good to know about the alternatives.

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    Hi Gary.

    The 500 series cameras are 6X6 Leaf Shutter cameras (the shutter is located in the lenses, not the camera body), and the 503CW is still in production. These are the "Classic" Hasselblads, and there are many of these cameras in use. They use "C" type lenses. The shutter is located in the lenses and provides a top shutter speed of 1/500th with flash sync at any shutter speed. There is no meter in any 500 series camera. TTL metering can be done by using a metered prism ... but the readings have to be manually transfered to the lens aperture and shutter speed rings. Zeiss F and FE type lenses cannot be used on a 500 series camera because there is no Leaf Shutter in the lenses.


    The 203 and 205 cameras are discontinued 6X6 models but still serviced by Hasselblad. Fewer of these cameras were produced compared to the 500 series and were more expensive new ... which is why they are harder to come by and cost more used. They are Focal Plane shutter cameras (shutter is located in the camera) with a top shutter speed of 1/2000th and a flash sync of 1/90th. They have built in TTL meters and can be shot in manual mode or aperture preferred mode. You can use any F or FE lens, as well as any "C" lens made for the 500 series cameras. "F" series lenses tend to be faster maximum apertures than C lenses. FE lenses communicate directly with the camera and are the more desirable versions.

    The 500 series can take almost any digital back ever made by using a sync cord from the "C" lens sync port to the digital back, but only the CFV and CVF-II are integrated and eliminates the need for a sync cord. The 200 series cameras can only be used with a CFV type back and retain full functions. Both 500 and 200 cameras can take film backs.


    The H2F is a 645 Leaf Shutter type camera with a top shutter speed of 1/800th and flash sync at all shutter speeds. Like all H cameras it provides TTL metering with a metered prism, and offers Aperture Preferred, Shutter Preferred, Program and Manual control. The H2F was offered after Hasselblad introduced the H3D-II digital models which eliminated the ability to use a film back. The "F" is supposed to mean "Film." The previous H1, H2, and H3 cameras can also use film backs, but are discontinued models available on the used market (or remaining dealer stock if any).

    Currently the H2F will accept any Hasselblad CF type digital back. These backs currently come in CF/22, CF/39, and CF/39 MultiShot. All CF backs require an on-board battery to operate, they do not draw power from the grip battery the way H3D-II cameras do. CF digital backs in turn can be used on a broad range of different medium format cameras by using a system of "iAdapters" from Hasselblad.

    The difference between a H2 and a H2F is that the H2 can be fitted with many different digital backs. To date, other manufacturers do not have the firmware requirements to integrate their backs on a H2F ... but the camera is very recent.

    The other difference between the H2 and the more recent H2F is that the H2F has more features.

    All H cameras use the system of HC lenses ... but can also use the "C" type Leaf Shutter Zeiss lenses by means of a CF adapter.

    Hope this helps and doesn't confuse

    Here's a H2F with a CF adapter which allows use of all "C" Type Leaf Shutter lenses in this case a Zeiss 40/IF:
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    Marc,

    Thanks for taking the time to write that up....it cleared up several misunderstandings I had and gaps in my knowlege of the various Hasselblad systems. Wish I could afford a pair of 200 and H series cameras, in addition to the 503CWD-II/40 I'd like to get! Guess I'd better concentrate on building one MFDB setup first.

    Most of my photography is pretty slow and methodical, so I think the 503CWD will work fine for me.

    Thanks again!

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    40mm lens from this morning,

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    one more, same lens

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    More great images from the shipyard JLM! I just can't get over how colorful things are there.....I've really enjoyed your photos. Hope I can get some images with the CFV & 40mm combo that are even 10% as good as yours.

    Keep 'em coming!

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