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    Re: MF for wildlife photography?

    I realize that but it is pretty amazing he was able to adapt to them on very close range. Not my cup of tea either but he did not feed them he actually lived among them which is even scarier.
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    Re: MF for wildlife photography?

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    Steve, the guy doesn't have any pictures of fast action, static birds, not to speak of birds in flight and any shy animals. Why? Why could not he establish intimacy with them?

    Well, sure - there are limitations to everything. I'm not saying not using telephoto lenses is easy or versatile, just pointing out that in some instances non-telephoto situations can be utilized with amazing results.


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    Re: MF for wildlife photography?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Hendrix View Post
    Well, sure - there are limitations to everything. I'm not saying not using telephoto lenses is easy or versatile, just pointing out that in some instances non-telephoto situations can be utilized with amazing results.


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    I am on the same page with you on this one. In fact I am struggling inside and changing my mind in respect to getting into MF on a daily and sometimes hourly basis It drives me nuts! I open 56 mpx Leaf aptus ii file and start drooling over the details and DD. I will end up doing everything up to ~ 200 mm with MF and everything above that with DSLR At least that's the craving I have in my head right now not sure about tomorrow

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    Re: MF for wildlife photography?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nik View Post
    I am on the same page with you on this one. In fact I am struggling inside and changing my mind in respect to getting into MF on a daily and sometimes hourly basis It drives me nuts! I open 56 mpx Leaf aptus ii file and start drooling over the details and DD. I will end up doing everything up to ~ 200 mm with MF and everything above that with DSLR At least that's the craving I have in my head right now not sure about tomorrow

    I like that thought - best of both world's.....and different world's at that.


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    Re: MF for wildlife photography?

    I think that for real wildlife nothing can top a fast AF FF DSLR. There are only 2 brands in my opinion which can deliver in that field - Nikon and Canon.

    Although the thought to use MF as supplement for some wider and more landscape plus animals work is interesting and makes lot of sense.

    My dream combination would be D3X plus 200-400 and a fast 600 plus TC1.4 and TC2.0. And a Hasselblad with 28, 100 and 300mm lenses and the 1.7 Tele Converter, which gives you a 510 in MF - not too bad!

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    Re: MF for wildlife photography?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    I think that for real wildlife nothing can top a fast AF FF DSLR. There are only 2 brands in my opinion which can deliver in that field - Nikon and Canon.

    Although the thought to use MF as supplement for some wider and more landscape plus animals work is interesting and makes lot of sense.

    My dream combination would be D3X plus 200-400 and a fast 600 plus TC1.4 and TC2.0. And a Hasselblad with 28, 100 and 300mm lenses and the 1.7 Tele Converter, which gives you a 510 in MF - not too bad!
    I shot with D3X plus 200-400 and 600 VR during my last trip to Tanzania in January. Despite some recent "disillusionment" about 200-400 medium and long range optical performance by several users on dpreview and after the review given to it by Thom Hogan (http://www.bythom.com/Nikkor-200-400mm-lensreview.htm), I still believe it is an ideal safari lens. Together with 600VR it is a killer combo.

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    Re: MF for wildlife photography?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    I think that for real wildlife nothing can top a fast AF FF DSLR. There are only 2 brands in my opinion which can deliver in that field - Nikon and Canon.

    Although the thought to use MF as supplement for some wider and more landscape plus animals work is interesting and makes lot of sense.

    My dream combination would be D3X plus 200-400 and a fast 600 plus TC1.4 and TC2.0. And a Hasselblad with 28, 100 and 300mm lenses and the 1.7 Tele Converter, which gives you a 510 in MF - not too bad!

    I generally agree for traditional work.

    But I loved the idea of what Brandt did, which was almost like wild animal classic hollywood portraiture (at least that's my idea of what he did).

    And the idea of taking a traditional genre and putting a different approach to it I think is a great position to come from - especially in terms of uniqueness.

    But traditionally, no question, Canon/Nikon will provide length and access to wildlife, faster handling and ISO for various conditions.

    But the idea of being closer to something and getting a real look in there and capturing that with such a high quality device (or even just something different from 35mm) would be thrilling (and difficult). And unique.


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    Re: MF for wildlife photography?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Hendrix View Post
    I generally agree for traditional work.


    But traditionally, no question, Canon/Nikon will provide length and access to wildlife, faster handling and ISO for various conditions.

    But the idea of being closer to something and getting a real look in there and capturing that with such a high quality device (or even just something different from 35mm) would be thrilling (and difficult). And unique.


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    Of course, this would be unique and thrilling and I must say I would really like to try it.

    Not doing photography for a profession actually allows to play a bit around and not necessarily come home with perfect results. But on the other hand exactly this freedom can result in extraordinary and outstanding new images and styles.

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    Re: MF for wildlife photography?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Hendrix View Post
    What if indeed?

    This guy produces amazing, intimate images without a telephoto lens. I love his work.

    http://www.nickbrandt.com/portfolio....8&nS=0&i=85418


    I think it can be done, but it takes more time, just as much great nature photography takes time to acclimate yourself to the subject. Without the benefit of distance, acclimation becomes a more prevalent part of the process. But as you can see from his results, not using distance and introducing intimacy can have a stunning effect.


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    Nick Brandt had an exposition in a gallery in Brussels over the holiday season. While his photos look great on screen, you can only fully appreciate them if you see them live in large prints. They are very elegant and reveal an almost human character of the animals. In fact, my wife and I liked them so much that we bought a print of the square portrait of the lioness (the 9th photo in his gallery). The photo of the lion you see on the gallery was taken after he spent 18 days observing him. If is a very special type of wildlife photography, indeed somewhat comparable to Richard Avendon's portraits rather than wildlife, and certainly no action (although he also has a photo of two rhinos standing nose by nose where you can feel the tension.

    I was on a family safari in Etosha national park where you get very close to wild animals. So I think one can do it with MF, and if I ever choose a MF system, the availability of somewhat longer lenses will be an important factor for me.

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    Re: MF for wildlife photography?

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    I believe that Pentax 600/4 mentioned is for the 6X7 camera and it is a beast (there is also a 800/4, 800/6.7). Do not know yet whether a Pentax 67 lens can be adapted to the new Pentax 645D camera. Hope so.
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    The Pentax 67 lenses can be used on the Pentax 645N & 645NII with the Pentax 67->645 adapter and they retain full auto aperture functionality but you lose the multi-segment metering. According to the 645D specs released by Pentax the 645D lens mount is compatible with the older 645 "A" manual focus lenses and since that's basically what a P67 lens is when mounted using the P67->645 lens adapter.....I think they should work on the 645D. I hope so too!

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    Re: MF for wildlife photography?

    I used to have the 400/4 ED-IF for my P67, and it's a good lens. But not really long enough on 6x7; it should be great with an extender on the new 645D although I found it wanted to be stopped down a notch with the 2x. The 67 image circle makes it a big lens though, quite larger than the Mamiya 500/5.6. The latter is about the size and weight of the Canon 500/4 IS so is somewhat compact for 645. (Doesn't Pentax have a 645 tele lineup?)

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