Yep I'll be talking to the fashion guys tooMake sure to hit the Canon/Nikon threads also, Nick.
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Yep I'll be talking to the fashion guys tooMake sure to hit the Canon/Nikon threads also, Nick.
are you talking about the P65+ compared to the Aptus II 10 (56MP due to the image format)...?I think the differences between a Sensor + 60 megapixel file at ISO 800 and a non-Sensor + 60 megapixel file at ISO 800 are much greater than...
are you talking about the P65+ compared to the Aptus II 10 (56MP due to the image format)...?
There seems to be much more NR applied in the P40+ file ...The Sensor Plus P65+ (also P40+) file at ISO 800 is comparable to a Canon 5DMKII file at ISO 800 and comparable to an Aptus II 10/P65+ (full rez) at ISO 200 (in terms of noise).
http://www.captureintegration.com/2010/03/30/phase-one-p40-versus-canon-5dmkii-iso-800/
Boy I would like to see that myself. I'm pretty stinking happy with the P40+ full res high ISO and with Sensor + that is a whole new ballgame like 35mm land. Dead serious on Sensor Plus I will go up against anything out there at ISO 800 and 1600 . I may lose but you better get a damn big loupe outYou were talking about 60MP at ISO800 with and without Sensor plus ... so it was not clear to me which DBs you were referring to as the P65+ is the only 60MP DB...
There seems to be much more NR applied in the P40+ file ...
An ISO comparision of the P40+ and the H40 would be interessting. From the few samples I've seen I'd say the H40 smokes the P40+ at higher ISO.
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Anyway... the difference of the same back in single shot and multi shot mode is really impressive.
I was referring to the P65+. You are correct, there is no other 60MP digital back. And Sensor Plus was the topic, so I thought that would be obvious. Sorry for not clarifying that more.You were talking about 60MP at ISO800 with and without Sensor plus ... so it was not clear to me which DBs you were referring to as the P65+ is the only 60MP DB...
There seems to be much more NR applied in the P40+ file ...
An ISO comparision of the P40+ and the H40 would be interessting. From the few samples I've seen I'd say the H40 smokes the P40+ at higher ISO.
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Anyway... the difference of the same back in single shot and multi shot mode is really impressive.
Steve I lower the luminance some with the higher ISO Sensor Plus shots. C1 looks to have it up slightly but it is a matter of taste and I can see why the higher numbers are there . I think maybe what Thomas might be referring too is the default is a touch high.
Marc, your input is absolutely valid. Just because someone doesn't choose a Phase One product doesn't mean they don't have a valid reason not to...Well, at the very least this livened up the MF forum a bit ... it was getting a little sleepy... :ROTFL:
In the end we all select what fits our needs and that isn't always the absolute ultimate ... especially at these prices.
I researched my MS choice with some pretty credible professional users who did have the where-with-all to get most anything ... what they didn't choose was Phase One ... so that's my antidotal input which is just as valid as anyone else's.
I do not know anything about a P40+ except what I hear here ... I do know about the H4D/40 and the high ISO full res is astounding, including full res ISO 1600 if exposed carefully. That is useful for my applications as is the very accurate True Focus feature ... which solves a real everyday issue with some types of MF photography.
Most of the other issues raised on this thread are speculation and quite frankly a few are pretty far fetched like wearing out strobe gear because shooting so much with a MS back ... as I said, if that is the case the Brinks truck will be backing up to my studio. :thumbup:
-Marc
To add to Guys spot on reply:Marc:
nice to hear this is working for you who serves as an inspiration.
I do have a general maybe historical question for discussion, however. it seems like there is always a perceived need to improve quality, more res, multi-shot, MF, live-view and fast preview, etc. but by comparison, what did the art director's settle for in the old days when you were shooting 4x5 chromes, polaroid proofs and waiting for the chromes from the lab?
at what point has digital achieved that quality, can anyone tell the difference, do they care, etc. clearly dig is way more convenient and probably more economical, but how far does it have to go?
Update, completed my first paying job with the Multi-Shot ...
The final was much more detailed and required less of the minor retouching I used to do to some details like the logo in the center cap, etc.. Saved lots of time compared to previous similar shoots.
-Marc
May I ask why?.......
Another thing your clients or their studio will like you for is when something needs to be set free from its background. This is a total breeze with the lovely transitions that MS provides.
May I ask why?
Are you setting the lightning in a different way with MS backs?
Can you clear the background more effectively in camera, or is this a matter of easier post?
Yes, when comparing the same meg back to another with multi-Shot. The Wheel job was a good example of this time savings as I also had to knock out the backgrounds to pure white for the catalog use. Selecting the edges at 200% was much easier and much cleaner than it was with similar shoots previously ... cut the outlining time in half.interesting comments. seems like the most valued improvements as MFDigital evolves are those that lead to less post processing and MS gives you more of that compared to single shot