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    Mamiya ZD road test. Wow

    Well a couple lenses came yesterday in on a trade so I played hooky today. Left the house at 4:30 am and drove up to Sedona . i actually beat the sunrise so i knew i had some time so took a right instead of a left and headed for Beaver Creek. Okay no beavers but a decent creek. I have a ton to process and load up but here is one of the first shots of the day . Shot at ISO 50 f22 with a Polarizer for 13 second and NR is NOT on. This was the mamiya 35mm lens which i happened to shoot a lot
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    Re: Mamiya ZD road test. Wow

    Same setup 15 seconds. i burned the corners. BTW i am almost in the dark here
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    Lot's more to come , need to catch up on the forum first.
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    Could not resist this B&W one again 15 seconds
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    I worked it heavy on purpose
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    Very nice my friend!
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    Just wait partner . You will be blown away by the file quality
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    The first one is a tough shot a lot of white Sky. There is a wild fire about 90 miles North out of control and a little hazy but the second one shot with the 55mm Mamiya which BTW is extremely sharp as you can see. There is about a hour difference between them. i had to wait for the sun to crest a mountain top to get light on the building on the second one
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    Re: Mamiya ZD road test. Wow

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Just wait partner . You will be blown away by the file quality
    Uh, just to remind you, it was ME who told YOU about the file quality in the first place!

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    And with the 35mm lens
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Uh, just to remind you, it was ME who told YOU about the file quality in the first place!

    Ah shut up , you are always right
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    Re: Mamiya ZD road test. Wow

    Guy, Keep them coming.

    I am not "blown away" by the image in #10.

    The foreground grass either suffers from Moire` or over-sharpening or jpg artifacts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Ah shut up , you are always right
    That's why I was serious when I called him the master of all things photographic. He thought I had been offended by something he said but I was dead serious.

    I am going out this evening to take first images from my CWD. In the meantime I am boning up on Phocus so I can process. I have the 50, 80,120 lenses with a 40 and 180 soon to come. i am so excited!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Guy, Keep them coming.

    I am not "blown away" by the image in #10.

    The foreground grass either suffers from Moire` or over-sharpening or jpg artifacts.
    Me either I like the 55mm shot better

    Here is a kinda cool image though Shot with the 150mm and the second with a 35mm. i am really just getting this working and testing but I like to shoot and not shoot test targets,leave that to the geeks. LOL
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    What I am seeing though is this back holding the specular highlights very nicely
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Guy, Keep them coming.

    I am not "blown away" by the image in #10.

    The foreground grass either suffers from Moire` or over-sharpening or jpg artifacts.
    Vivek i will look at that again. I was stopped down to f20 on that and maybe i am getting some issues there. I will double check what is going on with that one
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyspedden View Post
    That's why I was serious when I called him the master of all things photographic. He thought I had been offended by something he said but I was dead serious.

    I am going out this evening to take first images from my CWD. In the meantime I am boning up on Phocus so I can process. I have the 50, 80,120 lenses with a 40 and 180 soon to come. i am so excited!!!!!!

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    Well this does it for me. THIS is the reason you shoot MF backs. Look inside those shadows. The DR is amazing . This is hot AZ sun and it's killer bright and to get details underneath the overhang is like pulling teeth. More a test shot. i am not after art here just what it does
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    I really dig the B/W creekbed shot.

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    Another example of the DR, straight from the box. Nothing done
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    Quote Originally Posted by DougDolde View Post
    I really dig the B/W creekbed shot.
    Thanks Doug that one i worked in LR and PS
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyspedden View Post
    That's why I was serious when I called him the master of all things photographic. He thought I had been offended by something he said but I was dead serious.

    I am going out this evening to take first images from my CWD. In the meantime I am boning up on Phocus so I can process. I have the 50, 80,120 lenses with a 40 and 180 soon to come. i am so excited!!!!!!

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    Congrats Woody, can't wait to see some of your images! (And glad I hadn't offended you )
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    The 35mm is a must lens for this camera . One thing is you can focus as close as 8 inches and wide open it has pretty nice bokeh
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    Slowest shutter speed i could pull off handheld 1/15
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    I am pretty sure you are diffraction limited at f11 on that rig. I say this only from experience with phase and leaf backs in studio on the 645. It is splitting hairs but f16, f22, all get softer.

    Sometimes you need the depth of field and that is more important obviously.

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    Another one at 1/20 handheld . Left the tripod in car , big dummy
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    Quote Originally Posted by robertwright View Post
    I am pretty sure you are diffraction limited at f11 on that rig. I say this only from experience with phase and leaf backs in studio on the 645. It is splitting hairs but f16, f22, all get softer.

    Sometimes you need the depth of field and that is more important obviously.
    Yea Robert i was very concerned about that early this morning how the MF lenses handle it. i was thinking F11 is probably there sweet spot. leica M glass is in general like 5.6 or even F4 there optimum. But i had a feeling this morning F22 is too much. I only had a polarizer with me but I really need a neutral density filter. But i was trying to catch DOF but some I did not have too. Reason for getting out there and figuring this out before money is on the line. It's good i learned a few things and hopefully others will learn from it also. We have a lot of folks looking to jump in to MF on the forum. So this may help some. Oh BTW the very very early shots I shot at ISO 50. The rest ISO 200 and 100
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    BTW for the locals of AZ. that is Slide rock in Oak Creek Canyon
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    Well you had a good day. Me, just jealous. Glad it is working out. I guess it will be my hand me down when you want to upgrade.

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    Very nice hand me down my dear. i have to say i am pretty impressed and that is not easy to do. These files are loaded with detail that I have not seen in a long time like this. Actually credit goes to Jack for twisting my arm.
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    Love the DR and 'transparency' (best description- effect of being there vs. looking thru a window).

    How do you find the VF on the Mamiya?

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    Actually the best news after three weeks of killing myself to get my Mac pro to work correctly after Carmel is the real blessing. C1,LR and PS all seem to be running normal
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    Love the DR and 'transparency' (best description- effect of being there vs. looking thru a window).

    How do you find the VF on the Mamiya?

    It's big and bright and very easy to focus with just the normal screen. I used manual almost all day for focusing. But i don't like the rectangle outside rubber eye cup . Rather have round
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    What does the 35mm equate to in full frame 35mm focal length?

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    I think it is like a 28mm but seems wider to me.
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    Alpa has a great calculator for comparing lenses/formats.

    http://www.alpa.ch/knowledgebase/que...tal+formats%3F

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    Quote Originally Posted by robsteve View Post
    What does the 35mm equate to in full frame 35mm focal length?
    There is no direct equivalence due to the different aspect ratios. Using the width of a landscape image, the equivalent is 26mm.

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    Very nice Guy. One of the things I appreciate about you is not only your enthusiasm for equipment but your continued excitement about photography and how that excitement and enthusiasm drives you to get the gear to work for you in a meaningful way. It is also a pleasure to us on the forum that you enjoy sharing that insight with others. Good job, my friend, I have learned a lot.

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    Thank You Charlie you just made my day. I love to teach anyway i can. Hopefully it's all good. LOL
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    Thanks Graham yes it felt wider than 28mm. i would love to get the famed Mamiya 28mm someday. The 35mm is very nice but if you want sharp corners start at f8 it seems. It's a little soft above that but i think many are like that this wide. Even that nice Hassy 40mm i had traded needed to be around F8 . Now I am not sure about the modern wides from Hassy and Rollie
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    Guy, any shots without the IR filter in place?

    :-)

    I am dying to see how a file looks without the IR filter.

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    I just did this one in C1 beta in B&W . This is the Mamiya 55mm and it is one sharp cookie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Biggs View Post
    Guy, any shots without the IR filter in place?

    :-)

    I am dying to see how a file looks without the IR filter.
    No Andy i have yet to try it out yet . Jack did and the one issue he ran into was keeping any dust out off the sensor. BTW welcome did not get a chance to formally welcome you after i signed you in last night. Love to do the Africa gig with you sometime myself. Sounds like a blast but anyway this is a great option to this back because you can remove the IR filter. I think the only one that you can actually remove. This is something Jim Collum who doe s a bunch of IR work wants us to test also. Jim uses the Mamiya body and a Aptus 75 back and actually one of our moderators here and also teaches at our workshops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso;
    I just did this one in C1 beta in B&W . This is the Mamiya 55mm and it is one sharp cookie
    YOU MAKE MY HEART SING........
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    No Andy i have yet to try it out yet . Jack did and the one issue he ran into was keeping any dust out off the sensor. BTW welcome did not get a chance to formally welcome you after i signed you in last night. Love to do the Africa gig with you sometime myself. Sounds like a blast but anyway this is a great option to this back because you can remove the IR filter. I think the only one that you can actually remove. This is something Jim Collum who doe s a bunch of IR work wants us to test also. Jim uses the Mamiya body and a Aptus 75 back and actually one of our moderators here and also teaches at our workshops.
    Thanks, Guy. Glad to be here. Hey, I would love for you to come to Africa sometime. I am spending more and more time in Namibia these days, all in an effort to gather more content for a book. Probably the most beautiful landscapes I have ever seen.

    It sounds like the ZD is quite popular as of late. I have my eyes on one at a local dealer, and I can get a *steal* of a deal on one right now. I mean steal. I just need to make sure that it fits my overall goal for what I am doing.

    Jim had me over to his house way back in 2001 or 2002 when we used to live in the bay area. So glad to 'see' you again, Jim!

    Ok, so I cannot wait to see what a ZD raw file looks like when the IR filter is removed. I am willing to beg for one right now, unfortunately.

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    Andy seriously go grab that ZD. Worst case someone here will most likely want to get one for a good price if it don't work out but the files do jump. I got a great deal at 8600.00 body , lens and back and i here there are even better deals . There is a new body coming with improvements but the back alone at this price is worth it.
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    Re: Mamiya ZD road test. Wow

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Biggs View Post
    Guy, any shots without the IR filter in place?

    :-)

    I am dying to see how a file looks without the IR filter.
    Truth be told, I have some test shots I am too embarrassed to show -- they were taken specifically to see how the ZD sans cut filter responded to IR and have less than zero artisitic appeal. Suffice it to say, I am not in a hurry to do more IR with the ZD until I have an appropriate subject for it: It took me 45 minutes, three attempts and 9 swabs to clean off the naked sensor front, filter rear and filter front, just to get it back to the point where I had no dust bunnies... And no, the canned air would NOT blow them off, they needed the Eclipse and swabs. Like hanging freaking flypaper when you have to keep two surfaces clean before you assemble them to clean the third... FTR I *HATE* dirty sensors.
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    Jack, My apologies if my query cost you much distress.

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    Re: Mamiya ZD road test. Wow

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    Jack, My apologies if my query cost you much distress.
    You weren't the only one, so no worries. I was curious too. But truth be told, it was really all Jim's fault.

    Be advised that if you do remove that filter and drop it, it is $1600 to replace . Also be advised that it is kind of fidgety to get out if you have big fingers like I do. Be further advised that when it sails off the back and you react quickly and are lucky enough to catch it, you'll have tons of fingerprints covering both sides of it to clean off . Then when you cuss yourself for being so careless , you'll have a few drops of spit-spray on your now naked sensor glass that needs to be cleaned off too...

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    Re: Mamiya ZD road test. Wow

    No worries on such trivial matters (no pun).

    I make my own conversions on more complicated set-ups to have dedicated IR and UV cams for my use.



    The innards of a Nikon D80. I cut the filter (Hoya R72) as well

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