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    A new member and a Pentax 645D question

    Greetings to everybody here from a new member. I'm not a medium format shooter myself, but have been reading this forum/subforum for a while without registration. The superior image quality and technical properties of MF digital cameras and backs are just so fascinating. I'm myself a Pentax DSLR shooter and have been therefore particularily interested in the brand new and shiny 645D. However, I'm a bit surprised to see how little coverage it's getting over here. I wonder why is it so? Is it expected to fail in some aspect in comparison to the current MF cameras? Or is there some other reason? Many Pentax DSLR users have seen the release of this camera as a major step for Pentax and also expect it to be a game changer considering how cheap it is, almost semi-affordable.

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    Re: A new member and a Pentax 645D question

    I think there are number of people here very interested in this camera. There just hasn't been a lot of news on it/ not a lot of image samples and no release information for markets outside of Japan. There is a forum member that has ordered it from Japan but I don't think they've gotten delivery yet. So, I think you will hear more about it once there is more availability.

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    Sorry for the delayed reply guys - I have been travelling. Yes, I have ordered one and will receive it shortly (perhaps even tomorrow). I'll update when I have it and have had the opportunity to test/use it a little.

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    Congratulations! Where did you order it?

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    Re: A new member and a Pentax 645D question

    From www.japanexposures.com

    If you're interested, the guy to go to is [email protected] - he's very responsive.

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    Some 645D images on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/groups/pentax645d/pool/

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    Re: A new member and a Pentax 645D question

    Thanks for the link, Robert.

    All those shots look lovely!

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    I think there's also been a lot of really not-so-pretty samples posted, so most of the MF shooters here... who have REALLY high standards... are waiting with guarded optimism. At 100%, I expect more sharpness than many of the samples I've seen... but I'm sure I've not seen all the samples out there.

    I know I've seen very few samples that looked "mf-like". Lots of resolution? Sure. Pretty? Not so... many files have a dslr-like quality, and the color has been pleasing but not special.

    I can't wait until it's out, though, because I wanna see it sing (if possible)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Thanks for the link...That's the first time I've seen any pictures from the pentax

    So far it looks like about what I was expecting for the price range. The resolution seems nice and there is a muted quality to the contrast and colors. I bet it would make a great studio portrait camera

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    Monza have captured all the nice shoots. You have collected very epic camera. So that You have got good graphics result. The contrast and brightness of the pictures are so cool.

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    Re: A new member and a Pentax 645D question

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike M View Post
    great studio portrait camera
    Have you ever done a studio portrait shoot tethered to a large monitor? You'd have to twist my arm to get me to give up tethering for a studio portrait.

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    Re: A new member and a Pentax 645D question

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpetersonci View Post
    Have you ever done a studio portrait shoot tethered to a large monitor? You'd have to twist my arm to get me to give up tethering for a studio portrait.

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    I almost always tether for that kind of work. May not be important for some folks but I want a good tether system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougpetersonci View Post
    Have you ever done a studio portrait shoot tethered to a large monitor? You'd have to twist my arm to get me to give up tethering for a studio portrait.
    The reason I thought it could make a good portrait camera is because the colors and contrast in the sample photos appear to be a bit muted. These qualities can sometimes be good for portraits of people with less than perfect skin. Fuji Astia and Kodak Portra were popular with many portrait photographers in the film days precisely for their muted qualities.

    Monitors can have a way of working against rapport between the photographer and subject. They may be great for chimping, but can sometimes be too much of a distraction when working with average people that aren't accustomed to having a photo taken in a studio environment. Professional talent doesn't get distracted easily but average people can be more difficult to maintain attention. Everybody has a different approach, but tethered shooting isn't a priority of mine when doing portraits.

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    Re: A new member and a Pentax 645D question

    I agree that tethering is essential for any studio use in my view. That was where the Mamiya ZD I used to own fell down - feeble firewire mini port that broke with use. The Hassy H4D-50 I now use has a stonking great big connector.

    A decent connector cost not a lot, so why not fit one?

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    Re: A new member and a Pentax 645D question

    I wouldn't put much stock in the muted image qualities. It just looks like a default neutral capture base to me ... much like the Nikon D3X is IMO and experience. What will be important is how malleable the files are ... which is a strength of most MFD cameras I've ever used. The D3X files were pretty responsive, and based on spec's, this camera should be even better. We'll see.

    It'll be interesting to observe what people can do with it once it's in the hands of more photographers with different post processing approaches and skill at developing presets or actions to achieve a personal interpretive style.

    Shooting tethered is important to professionals in studio ... often working with professional models. It is of zero importance to wedding and event shooters and many who favor mobile outdoor portraits (my personal preference) for whom this camera will have a lot of appeal (price being a top consideration). Many experienced Wedding and Portrait shooters are expressing interest in MFD as a way to distance themselves with the growing hordes of 35mm DSLR shooters entering the business.

    This raises a separate question: Has anyone used the Tethered Capture feature in Lightroom?

    Currently only a range of Canon and Nikon cameras are supported, including most all of the high end models ... but I own neither, so I can't give it a try. It may be possible to have this camera supported if Pentax doesn't step up to the plate. Depends on how popular the camera gets I suppose.

    Is the 645D a direct Hassey, Leaf, or Phase competitor? I think NOT ... and neither is the pricing. How it compares in IQ to the top 35mm dogs will be the critical issue ... and being a MFD at heart, I would be surprised if it didn't kick them to the curb.

    Congrats to Pentax and patient Pentax lovers!


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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post

    Shooting tethered is important to professionals in studio ... often working with professional models. It is of zero importance to wedding and event shooters and many who favor mobile outdoor portraits (my personal preference) for whom this camera will have a lot of appeal (price being a top consideration). Many experienced Wedding and Portrait shooters are expressing interest in MFD as a way to distance themselves with the growing hordes of 35mm DSLR shooters entering the business.


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    100% agreement. That is exactly what I'm talking about in regards to the potential of being a good portrait camera. My comments about muted quality come from a sensibility that has developed from photo experience which might not be the same as others. We each have a different sensibility and often it's a matter of opinion, but I believe I'm seeing a quality of capture that is the relationship between camera components rather than just processing alone. Maybe I'm wrong and my opinion might change after seeing more images, but those are my thoughts at this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike M View Post
    100% agreement. That is exactly what I'm talking about in regards to the potential of being a good portrait camera. My comments about muted quality come from a sensibility that has developed from photo experience which might not be the same as others. We each have a different sensibility and often it's a matter of opinion, but I believe I'm seeing a quality of capture that is the relationship between camera components rather than just processing alone. Maybe I'm wrong and my opinion might change after seeing more images, but those are my thoughts at this time.
    I'm not sure there is a disagreement on this. But MFD is a whole other ball game when it comes to manipulating files ... I believe that the Sinar backs have some reputation for a relatively neutral capture ... and that is in spite of using some pretty legendary Schneider and Zeiss optics.

    Really, with digital the relationship between camera and components, etc. can, and obviously do have an effect, yet I would not write this camera off as just a one trick pony.

    So, if the files have the look right out of the camera that is preferred for your approach to portrait work, then great. However, it remains to be seen what PP can do with the same files.

    There have been numerous threads recently discussing it over-arching importance of post programs for MFD. It's a POV I subscribe to based on a fair amount of experience with various MFD systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike M View Post

    Monitors can have a way of working against rapport between the photographer and subject. They may be great for chimping, but can sometimes be too much of a distraction when working with average people that aren't accustomed to having a photo taken in a studio environment. Professional talent doesn't get distracted easily but average people can be more difficult to maintain attention. Everybody has a different approach, but tethered shooting isn't a priority of mine when doing portraits.
    I hear you there! Tethering can range from a god-send to utterly-useless or even worse-than-nothing depending on the situation.

    My friend Natasha came over last night to practice modeling and we played around in the studio (technically on the balcony). She is an actress but in South Beach / Miami there are a lot of good-to-great opportunities for modeling. Having a 30" instant preview helped her see instantly when the pose was awkward or her expression was off; I've never had a shoot where tethering had such a positive impact on the shooting - she adjusted extremely well to the visual feedback and it seemed like she improved on every frame. In addition we had looked through some inspirational sources (mostly South American fashion magazines) and picked out this image style (the muted high contrast with a heavy shoulder on the highlight curve) and so every shot came in with those (rather dramatic) adjustments already made so that I could adjust my lighting, composition, and lens based on the image WITH the extra contrast and muted color rather than having to guess at what the image will look like with that color/contrast styling. Better yet the "Exposure Evaluation" tool showed me the histogram of the image without any of the adjustments so I could ensure that I was still capturing highlight/shadow detail in the raw even though I was blowing out the highlights with my adjustments; that way if I wanted to reprocess one or more shots with a different look the files would be flexible to the new look. BIG deal for me on this shoot.

    Other shoots however I take a few images and immediately understand that the subject is going to suffer from seeing themselves "o no! is that what I look like??" (rolls eyes). In this case I can either unplug (switches instantly to the CF card) or turn the monitor around (we have ours on an Ergotron swing arm - we're an ergotron dealer - that can rotate nearly 360 degrees and from horizontal to vertical). Or I turn it off but keep shooting tethered (the Phase will still show the images on the DB LCD for quick checks)

    I've shot the headshots for the University of Miami Beauty Pageant (or whatever PC term they are using now) for three years now and having 12 girls to shoot in a short afternoon I could not do it (sanely) without tethering. Each girl can sit down - I type in their name and take 10-12 shots and then do a quick edit with them to pick their favorite. On my tethered screen is a small focus window in the corner which shows their eyes (they want all the girls in the same composition so none of them appear "favored" in the program and marketing so the eyes are always in the same area) and I can be sure I am getting the eyes in focus. I have enough time between girls to process the select (set to open in photoshop automatically) and run a quick retouch of skin and blemishes and save/close the file. At the end of the day I navigate in C1 to the processed folder where the retouched images are sitting and select to process my Facebook (watermarked low res) and Client-Med-JPG (unwatermarked medium res JPGs) recipes upload the results to facebook and burn a DVD of the JPGs and I'm done!




    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Shooting tethered is important to professionals in studio ... often working with professional models. It is of zero importance to wedding and event shooters and many who favor mobile outdoor portraits (my personal preference) for whom this camera will have a lot of appeal (price being a top consideration). Many experienced Wedding and Portrait shooters are expressing interest in MFD as a way to distance themselves with the growing hordes of 35mm DSLR shooters entering the business.
    Indeed once/if there are local distributors, local service/support I would think this camera should make a great temptation for dSLR shooters who want to distance themselves from their competition but at the lowest possible price. The Aptus-II 5 and used/demo Phase backs have been pretty successful for us (Capture Integration) in that type of situation, and there are clearly some advantages and disadvantages to all those options.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mike M View Post
    The reason I thought it could make a good portrait camera is because the colors and contrast in the sample photos appear to be a bit muted. These qualities can sometimes be good for portraits of people with less than perfect skin. Fuji Astia and Kodak Portra were popular with many portrait photographers in the film days precisely for their muted qualities.
    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    I wouldn't put much stock in the muted image qualities. It just looks like a default neutral capture base to me ... much like the Nikon D3X is IMO and experience. What will be important is how malleable the files are ... which is a strength of most MFD cameras I've ever used.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike M View Post
    My comments about muted quality come from a sensibility that has developed from photo experience which might not be the same as others. We each have a different sensibility and often it's a matter of opinion, but I believe I'm seeing a quality of capture that is the relationship between camera components rather than just processing alone. Maybe I'm wrong and my opinion might change after seeing more images, but those are my thoughts at this time.
    I would be very very surprised if it was not possible to tweak a few raw-processing settings and completely invert your impression of the camera having a "muted" quality. The default look of the raw file is about as important to any user as what color box the camera arrives in; it takes no time at all to set a "default style" in Capture One which can be applied to any or all images according to your personal aesthetics.

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    There have been numerous threads recently discussing it over-arching importance of post programs for MFD. It's a POV I subscribe to based on a fair amount of experience with various MFD systems.
    Indeed. Though creating a good dedicated processing software, especially from the ground up, adds (indirectly) to the net price of the system and Pentax is clearly making price one of their chief priorities. It's probably grossly under-appreciated by most end-users how expensive and difficult it is to create a world-class raw processor.

    For instance Phase One and Leaf provide their own (accurate) ICC profiles for various situations such as the Portrait / Daylite / Strobe / Tungsten profiles you find with a Phase One digital back in Capture One. Most camera companies provide only one embedded color profile which means they have to balance the opposite needs of pleasing skin color, providing accurate reds for product photography, giving a not-horrible response in tungsten light (where, even after a WB the colors of a camera can be very different if not properly profiled) and then rely on you to make any needed changes on-top of that profile in Photoshop/LR etc.

    In addition Capture One provides the Color Editor which is the most powerful ICC profile editor I've seen available in the photo world to provide you a easy way of modifying the EXACT color response of your camera (as opposed to a few scientifically oriented packages by companies like X-Rite that cost a LOT of money and are designed more for color scientists than photographers).

    Phase long ago made one of their best business moves ever by not just opening their software to dSLR users but making a huge investment in the software, coming up with their own start-to-finish math pipeline and color engine and adding native tethering for most popular dSLRs. They did such a great job it became the preferred software for many Canon, Nikon, and Leica users (and a majority of the professional-tethering market) that they were able to charge $500 (now $400) a copy for it, greatly offsetting the cost to the Phase One community of having a world class raw processing engine that could have processing tweaked specifically to Phase One's digital backs.

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    Looks like a great portrait camera to me from what i have seen so far.
    I don't really get the concept of tethering for portrait work though, are you sure you guys don't mean fashion work?
    I have shoot portraits every day, in studio and on location and can think of nothing worse than tethering.
    How did you guys get by with film?

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    Looks like a great portrait camera to me from what i have seen so far.
    I don't really get the concept of tethering for portrait work though, are you sure you guys don't mean fashion work?
    I have shoot portraits every day, in studio and on location and can think of nothing worse than tethering.
    How did you guys get by with film?
    Tethering for fast/easy portraits on location - not usually. Though if you could easily/reliably tether to a iPad I would probably do so pretty often.
    Tethering for fast/easy portraits in studio - absolutely. I tried to give a very detailed description of some of the reasons.

    I "got by" just fine with film, including portraits with 4x5 and 8x10 film and manual medium format cameras. I got by doing my own processing and printing. But if it was possible during those days to have a 30" Polaroid print magically appear a couple feet away 2-seconds after every shot I would have done it every time.

    I could have "got by" shooting to card for the University of Miami Beauty Pagent Headshots example I went into depth on above but the time it took to complete the job would have been significantly higher - especially if I wanted to give each girl the option to pick her favorite image. I was done literally 10 minutes after the last girl walked out the door, which is just about when I would have STARTED importing/naming/sorting/editing/checking/adjusting/processing/uploading my images.

    I guess my question is have you given it a try long enough to get comfortable with it and/or gone to a shoot/lecture/workshop where it was done by someone who has?

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    I guess my question is have you given it a try long enough to get comfortable with it and/or gone to a shoot/lecture/workshop where it was done by someone who has?

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    Hi Doug,
    Yes, I did read your beauty pageant tethered shooting example but as i was suggesting, i see as more a fashion/beauty shoot rather than a portrait session.
    Portraiture covers a lot of areas of course.
    My typical portrait sessions are followed up by a 'viewing' session where the sitter picks their favourite images using ProSelect. Now i understand that if i was working tethered i could do this on the fly, but that would not help me maximise profit on a session.
    Being tethered and asking for feedback on a typical session would also kill the momentum, for my working style anyhow.
    To upsell and increase potential sales, i need the time to post-process a number of the best captures and present them in their best light.
    I don't have an art director looking over my shoulder wondering where the 30inch displays are, I am hired directly by the client who has to trust that i know what i am doing.

    Don't get me wrong, if i am doing a product shoot i tether, but that's mainly so i can nail focus. I am questioning the advantage of tethering specifically for portraiture.

    Finally, i don't think i am alone in not tethering for portraiture. I am part of a network of pro portrait photographers, some members are pretty high up the food chain in the uk and i just don't see tethering on portrait sessions. Again, Portraits not Fashion shoots.

    If tethering increased my profit margin, i would hook it up real fast

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    Re: A new member and a Pentax 645D question

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    Tethering for fast/easy portraits on location - not usually. Though if you could easily/reliably tether to a iPad I would probably do so pretty often.
    Tethering for fast/easy portraits in studio - absolutely. I tried to give a very detailed description of some of the reasons.

    I "got by" just fine with film, including portraits with 4x5 and 8x10 film and manual medium format cameras. I got by doing my own processing and printing. But if it was possible during those days to have a 30" Polaroid print magically appear a couple feet away 2-seconds after every shot I would have done it every time.

    I could have "got by" shooting to card for the University of Miami Beauty Pagent Headshots example I went into depth on above but the time it took to complete the job would have been significantly higher - especially if I wanted to give each girl the option to pick her favorite image. I was done literally 10 minutes after the last girl walked out the door, which is just about when I would have STARTED importing/naming/sorting/editing/checking/adjusting/processing/uploading my images.

    I guess my question is have you given it a try long enough to get comfortable with it and/or gone to a shoot/lecture/workshop where it was done by someone who has?

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    Doug, I think there is no "right" way here. Just options ... which is what I think you are advocating.

    I always shoot tethered in a controlled studio environment using dual 30" screens ... one with the browser, and the other with the last shot displayed. Mostly this is commercial work ... and when the subject is people, tethered shooting provides feedback for the Hair and Make-up/Wardrobe people ... and with a client art director on set, tethered gets you to a final shot much faster.

    Private portrait work can be interrupted by the subject wanting to see what they look like, especially non-professional models. It's just human nature. So, I have my studio set up so I can look at what has been captured right from the camera, but the subject can't. This allows a series of shots without the subject rubber-necking the monitors. Periodic breaks in the shooting to review the images does help get to shots that the client will buy faster than not doing it.

    However, it takes great discipline on the part of the photographer to not "chimp the monitors" and break the connection with the subject ... and in my experience both as Photographer and an Art Director, that is a pretty rare ability.

    I have never used a tethered set-up for private outdoor portrait photography ... mobility to "find the light" is the priority ... and would be literally impossible to shoot tethered for wedding portrait work.

    So, you choose your options and pays your money ... which in the case of this camera, sets a much lower financial entry point into MFD.

    -Marc

    BTW, I think there are some simple features on this camera that the "big" players would benefit from studying and adding to their future cameras in order to capture more market segments than they currently appeal to.

    Dual redundant capture to a CF and SD card is invaluable to wedding/event shooters, location portrait work, and even for those trekking off to a remote location for private photography.

    11 point AF with wide frame sensor points looks promising (remains to be seen).

    A claimed 800 shots on the battery sounds pretty good also (also remains to be seen).

    Wireless TTL sync using Pentax flashes.

    Tripod mounts bottom and side is pretty cool IMO. Finally, a place to put a radio sender when using on-camera TTL fill, while shooting mobile using off-camera strobes.

    Frankly, if I were to step over to a Focal Plane set-up as a supplement to my H system for the work I do, and if the IQ is up to snuff once it's out in the market, I'd look at this Pentax before Phase One/Mamiya


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    Re: A new member and a Pentax 645D question

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY6GdxDyP1w

    Eye-Fi demo (in Japanese) but an interesting alternative to tethering.
    Since the 645D has two sd card slots, it opens up otions for using one as a dedicated Eye-Fi slot.

    For previewing it should be quite fast if you set up the camera to shoot raw dng to card one while smaller jpgs are sent to the eye-fi card in slot two.

    The advantages of tethering without the tether?

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    Just watch the back during the burst as the previews come up on the back seems very slow
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    Re: A new member and a Pentax 645D question

    Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to slow.

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    Re: A new member and a Pentax 645D question

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to slow.

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    Yes, but being slow is part of the fun of medium format digital right?

    But to be serious, you don't really know what your looking at here, unless your Japanese is up to scratch. Are they the full dng files being transmitted or just jpeg previews? If its just jpegs then it is slow.

    EyeFi (what ever that means) works and will only get faster.

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    Re: A new member and a Pentax 645D question

    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
    Yes, but being slow is part of the fun of medium format digital right?

    But to be serious, you don't really know what your looking at here, unless your Japanese is up to scratch. Are they the full dng files being transmitted or just jpeg previews? If its just jpegs then it is slow.

    EyeFi (what ever that means) works and will only get faster.
    Not fun when working with models by the hour and a whole crew standing there, or shooting kids, or with an Art Director or client on set.

    If these were RAW it is Slooooooow, if Jpgs, it is really sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow.

    Otherwise, it's pretty neat and may show what the future may bring someday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Not fun when working with models by the hour and a whole crew standing there, or shooting kids, or with an Art Director or client on set.

    If these were RAW it is Slooooooow, if Jpgs, it is really sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow.

    Otherwise, it's pretty neat and may show what the future may bring someday.

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    Yep, just watched it again, your right. Its slow.

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    Re: A new member and a Pentax 645D question

    I believe he says the first lot are JPGs. The last demo is of DNGs. You can see him wondering at one point if it's going to work, he's so bored! Better than nothing if you can't afford the big boys I guess.

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    I wonder if there's a way to work with the eye-fi Jpegs and the iPad... that would be something I would love to have for on location work. The Pentax 645D has 5 jpeg image sizes, so the transfer speed could improve a lot.
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    Re: A new member and a Pentax 645D question

    I'm not sure if there is already a link to this, but here goes for those who are interested:

    http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/p...5d-images.html

    The full res image of Jessica, the red haired model, looks pretty good to me.

    I'd be interested to hear comments on his image from those who have alot of experience with this type of studio portrait photography.

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    I'm tempted to say the Pentax is the modern day ZD in look but I need to see a lot more images and some raws to be really clear about it.
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    Re: A new member and a Pentax 645D question

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I'm tempted to say the Pentax is the modern day ZD in look but I need to see a lot more images and some raws to be really clear about it.
    Hi Guy. Although I've seen pics of the Mamiya ZD, I don't know what sort of look the ZD images had.

    I hadn't thought about it, but there is a remarkable similarity between the ZD and 645D designs. I'm curious as to why the ZD never seemed to catch on.

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    I downloaded the file and for a JPG straight out of the camera it seems impressive to me. Especially considering the cost of the camera itself compared to the other high res competition. I'm looking forward to more forum members getting their hands on the Pentax so we can really see how if performs out in the field. Someone should take one on one of Guy and Jack's workshops to test against the Phase and 'Blad systems.

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    Love to have one on a workshop. It would be a great chance for some comparisons.
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