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    Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    I'm interested in doing some beauty shots with my medium format. I was wondering if anyone has experience with both the 120mm macro and using extension tubes on either the 150mm or the 80mm. Focusing distance isn't AS much an issue as sharpness. So keep in mind I won't be shooting little bugs on leaves or anything. But I want SHARP!

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    Re: Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    Extension tubes, no matter of the system and or lenses which they are used with, provide for a closer focus possibility and allowing for Macro shots with lenses which would otherwise not allow to get as close to the subject photographed, and since they do not have Glass, but only provide for a distance range form the Lens element to the sensor, sharpness will be achieved as if tit wasn't there at all.
    Only issue is that the Focus needs to be much better controlled, as depending on how many you use, if stacking, and the aperture you are shooting with, the focus line will be very thin.

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    Re: Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    The 120 is very sharp to the point where it is not well regarded as a portrait lense. It's also heavier and harder to focus than the 150m or 80 IIRC.
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    Re: Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    Many lenses do not perform as well with tubes as they do at "normal" focus distances. So for the optimal sharpness at very close focusing distances -- say 1:2 through 2:1 -- a dedicated macro lens is the best option.

    However, that said, many lenses are adequately sharp when used with tubes at moderately close distances -- like head shot portraits of people with a 150 or 200 lens where you are more like 1:8 or 1:12. Also, macro lenses are not particularly great when used wide open either, so often the trade-off of using tubes with a faster lens is warranted.

    For face portraits, I would stick with a short tube on a fast 150.

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    Re: Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    Most higher end Macros are optimized for close focusing distances, stopped down performance, and generally provide a better flatness of field. The HC120/4 is no exception.

    THe HC/150 with tubes is pretty good close-up, but being optimized for medium distances for portraits, is no match for the 120 at close distances.

    I'd also explore the 210/4 with a smaller extension tube for your application ... depending on DOF needs. I'll give you a bit more distance to subject when working tight to the subject.

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    Re: Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    I assume you are shooting living humans in which case I would personally prefer the 150 with a 13mm extention tube over both the macro or the 210 with an extention tube.

    Both the 210 as well as the 120 have very slow focussing where as the 150 is much faster.

    IQ-wise, all 3 should be adequate where the 120 is the sharpest (to the point you either feel you have to beat-up your make-artist or start blurring your image) followed by the 210.

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    Re: Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    I don't ever blur my images and love sharpness... I'm looking to do closeups of lips, eye makeup, possibly headshots filling the whole screen. Will the 150 or 80 get me closer with an extension tube? As I said, too sharp has never been an issue for me. I do very good edits (atleast in my opinion) and love to keep detail in them. Never do I use the blurr tool but my models always look flawless and unedited...

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    Re: Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    Forgot to mention that lens size/weight isn't a huge issue, I'm young and currently have ONLY been using my 50-110 lens. I have a 150 and 80 and they just sit in my pelican case

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    Re: Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    Quote Originally Posted by shortpballer View Post
    I don't ever blur my images and love sharpness... I'm looking to do closeups of lips, eye makeup, possibly headshots filling the whole screen. Will the 150 or 80 get me closer with an extension tube? As I said, too sharp has never been an issue for me. I do very good edits (atleast in my opinion) and love to keep detail in them. Never do I use the blurr tool but my models always look flawless and unedited...
    In that case, HC-120/4 and add an extension tube to get even closer if you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    In that case, HC-120/4 and add an extension tube to get even closer if you want.

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    Yes, that will get you where you want if upclose with lots of detail is what that is.

    Their is a document with tables on the Hasselblad site that show you how close you can come with each lens and each extension ring (or even combination of rings).

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    Re: Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    Quote Originally Posted by shortpballer View Post
    I don't ever blur my images and love sharpness... I'm looking to do closeups of lips, eye makeup, possibly headshots filling the whole screen..
    Then the 120 Macro for your use, no question. I have used mine as a portait lens and it works a treat.

    You can always remove sharpness by blurring, but if it's not as sharp as you want in the first place, you are stuck!

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    Re: Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    I bought 120mm because i know this lens is for closeups no doubt, i have an extension tube and use it with 80mm, didn't like it, but when i've got 120mm few days ago as i tested it last year in the store i fall in love with it directly, if i have given the choice between 80/100/150 + extension tubes or 120mm i will definitely choose 120mm, now i am not sure if i should go with 100 or 150 for dedicated portraits shots [headshots], my 80mm is great for portraits half and some headshots, and 120 can give me tight headshots as well, so not sure if i will have much use with either 100 or 150, my next lens if i have to get one more will be the zoom then i am done.
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    Re: Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    If you want to buy my 150 I would be more than willing to sell it to you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Professional View Post
    I bought 120mm because i know this lens is for closeups no doubt, i have an extension tube and use it with 80mm, didn't like it, but when i've got 120mm few days ago as i tested it last year in the store i fall in love with it directly, if i have given the choice between 80/100/150 + extension tubes or 120mm i will definitely choose 120mm, now i am not sure if i should go with 100 or 150 for dedicated portraits shots [headshots], my 80mm is great for portraits half and some headshots, and 120 can give me tight headshots as well, so not sure if i will have much use with either 100 or 150, my next lens if i have to get one more will be the zoom then i am done.

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    Re: Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    Quote Originally Posted by shortpballer View Post
    If you want to buy my 150 I would be more than willing to sell it to you!

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    Hey Eric,

    Thank you very much!

    Why do you want to sell your 150? and what did you use it at mostly?
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    Re: Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    jumping in here...I also have a 150 for sale! for me the focal length is not quite what I am after (probably a 210 would suit me better), otherwise a great lens. I can use the 100 with the telextender to get mid 100"s focal length. I am not shooting close-ups.

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    Re: Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    hmmmmm, then i will dump that 150, good, the options now narrowed to 3 lenses, thanks!
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    Re: Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    I've been using the three extension tubes with my 50, 80 and 150 lenses quite a bit since getting a CFV... They work very well for little investment (they're cheaper than lenses). If you don't plan to do a LOT of macro, a dedicated lens might be overkill (and expensive).

    I have some sample/test shots if you're curious.

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    Re: Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post

    Maybe you better choke down this one

    http://www.hasselbladusa.com/media/5...s_metricv5.pdf

    or if you prefer imperial

    http://www.hasselbladusa.com/media/5...imperialv5.pdf

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    Re: Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    egad!

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    Re: Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    I forgot that i ordered 150 but from my film Hasselblad, it will be a bit different because it will be on 6x6 body, not 6x4.5, but it will not be that big different, and later i will see if that 150 on film will have much use over my digital 80/120 lenses.
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    Re: Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    I shoot a lot of macros, currently exclusively on the 80 + extension tubes...I have the 26 and 52.

    I am quite happy with this combination, though am still going to buy the 120. (or trade with my 35 which in the Gear FS section.

    Some examples of the shots here:

    http://peter-chong.blogspot.com/search/label/Watches

    All the posts were shot with H3D-39, 80, tubes except for the first one (lowest post) which was shot with 1dmk3/100macro.

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    Re: Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    Apologies for double post.
    Last edited by P. Chong; 27th July 2010 at 17:20. Reason: Apologies...double post.

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    Lightbulb Re: Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    As an example of the level of detail available, this was shot with the Hasselblad 120mm Makro-Planar (no extension tubes) at ~3 feet from subject to film plane. This 640-pixel wide crop is about 1/12th of the original frame (7216 pixels wide). The watch measures about one inch from the 9 to the 3.

    Note the hairs visible on the apple, running up across the seconds dial to the 10. Also note the dust spot on the seconds dial at 16, and other fine details of the watch.

    (BTW... This is nowhere near in a league with Mr. Chong's outstanding watch photos. I'm just using it as example of the resolution of the lens.)



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    Last edited by Leigh; 17th August 2010 at 15:07.

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    Re: Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    I do not own the 120 but know it is an outstanding Macro lens. The reason I am hesitating to buy one is because I usually do not do so much macros anymore and I found it is very slow in AF - which is no surprise of course and it does not need to be fast AF.

    Extension tubes for sure work and are a valuable and cheap solution, but I never could get friend of this type of work in the past. So I am also not considering for my MF system - has nothing to do with IQ!

    Anyway, as my MF gear might very well become my one and only gear replacing my DSLR system, I might reconsider the purchase of a used 120 again

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    Re: Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    apologies, I had decided to do revisits to some pics...and as a result, some pics were shot with Canon 1Dmk3. But H3D pics are labelled and the exif is intact. Almost all the watch macros were shot with either one or both extension tubes - H28 and H52.

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Chong View Post
    I shoot a lot of macros, currently exclusively on the 80 + extension tubes...I have the 26 and 52.

    I am quite happy with this combination, though am still going to buy the 120. (or trade with my 35 which in the Gear FS section.

    Some examples of the shots here:

    http://peter-chong.blogspot.com/search/label/Watches

    All the posts were shot with H3D-39, 80, tubes except for the first one (lowest post) which was shot with 1dmk3/100macro.

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    Re: Hassy Extension tubes vs. 120mm macro

    I am very happy with 120 Macro lens, incredibly razor sharp, i hope to have fun with it more in the future.



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    H4D-60, the light i can't remember, either natural light of the room only[tungsten] or the built-in flash of H4D.
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