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    Progressing through time and gear

    Not sure where I am going with this but after about 20 years of only digital capture I think maybe one of the most qualified folks to talk about this. Not going to get into the way past here but it started back in 1991 with a Kodak 460 and a Nikon E2 which shot to a PCMIA card at about 1 mg per file. LOL

    Man have times have changed but back in 2001 when I got laid off as Chief Photographer at Honeywell International Aerospace in particular i had some tough choices to make. I was shooting digital Nikons and Hassy V with film just prior to leaving. So big choices had to be made at that time on what to do. I almost went MF digital out of the gate and it was a close call but price at the time was a serious 40k or more investment and after being laid off was maybe not a prudent start. So it started with a Kodak 560 if memory serves me and went through Canon like a train wreck than Nikons , Leica's with DMR and M8's and everything along the way but my heart always knew MF was where I needed to be.

    I sit here today thinking about all this after starting with a ZD, P25+, P30+ and now own a P40+. Not only that I tested a lot of systems along the MF path even though I have not done reviews on all of them but maybe for the first time in my working Pro career I lost that screaming painful and down right costly mindset that I need to keep buying up all the time to get better and better gear. But I sit here today with about a 90 percent I am happier than pigs in a mud pen. I left that 10 percent out because things can always get better and maybe some things I want like a Tech cam but maybe the whole point of this thread or thought pattern is i have NEVER been happier with the files and the IQ that comes off these sensors that MF produces. This is not about Phase per say because it could maybe be said for Hassy, Leaf, Sinar or Leica but it is the files that come off these bad boys that just make me smile a mile wide when I am looking at them in C1 as they come in than after I process them I stare at them with amazement since nothing I ever shot in my past come even close.

    Like I said not sure where I am going with this but I THINK I finally hit a point of being CONTENT on what is being produced from these MF files. It in my mind just does not get any better than this and honestly with all due respect to those that say it does not matter in the scheme of things I have to COMPLETELY disagree as it makes ME feel satisfied as a artist and my clients are reaping the benefits and they tell me all the time they just love my files. Not sure I can put a price tag on this or that I want too. At some point the ROI just means very little although it is paying for itself but lets get real here also I could easily cheat and shoot 35mm but that is not the point of this thread. What is the point is and my driving force is deliver the absolute best I can that the gear will allow and my artistic endeavors to flourish. At the end of the day or bottom line regardless of brand I am actually happy NOW. Tomorrow who the hell knows. LOL

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    Re: Progressing through time and gear

    I really need my espresso machine back from NY. LOL
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    I'll beat Ken to this...

    I feel much the same as you; I'm very content with my Cambo WRS/P45+ and the little Leica M9. I'm equally pleased with my printers - Epson 4000 and 9800 although I'll admit to not using the 4000 as much any more.

    Okay I'll also admit to having a 135 on inter-galactic back order. Oh hell I might as well admit to just buying a Leica 28mm f/2 and waiting for big brown to deliver it today.

    This all goes back to the contented feeling I have towards my gear; I feel I have the best solution for shooting with my Cambo and the 3-lenses all Schneider, 35, 72 and 120 and soon I'll have as great with the M9 as I'll have the 28,35,50,90 and eventually the 135.

    No more gear for me anytime soon however I seem to remember you mentioning picking up a technical camera which of course will include the required lenses.

    So Guy you aren't out of the woods yet!

    I'll be Ken's co-enabler here and suggest you look at picking up that TC soon. And while I'm at it I'll recommend the Cambo WRS as that's that I have intimated knowledge of.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    ....maybe for the first time in my working Pro career I lost that screaming painful and down right costly mindset that I need to keep buying up all the time to get better and better gear. But I sit here today with about a 90 percent I am happier than pigs in a mud pen. I left that 10 percent out because things can always get better and maybe some things I want like a Tech cam ....
    Gear slut confessions.
    Phew! For a minute there I thought you were abandoning us as the Gear Slut Support Group Leader....

    On a more serious note, I agree with you at being at the point where I am extremely happy with the gear that I have and its capabilities.

    But sometimes, just sometimes, we all deserve that little something (a new lens perhaps) that makes us feel warm and fuzzy inside, that just betters the photographic experience and enjoyment. And that's the potentially dangerous (as in expensive) line or endless path that we tread....

    ken

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdphotography View Post
    Phew! For a minute there I thought you were abandoning us as the Gear Slut Support Group Leader....

    On a more serious note, I agree with you at being at the point where I am extremely happy with the gear that I have and its capabilities.

    But sometimes, just sometimes, we all deserve that little something (a new lens perhaps) that makes us feel warm and fuzzy inside, that just betters the photographic experience and enjoyment. And that's the potentially dangerous (as in expensive) line or endless path that we tread....

    ken

    Okay who are you and what did you do to Ken?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I really need my espresso machine back from NY. LOL
    What kind of espresso machine do you have? Maybe I can point you towards another expensive pastime

    Same here, I have tried much different things. I am quite happy with what I use today. I might be persuaded to go for the H4D60/50/40 but I don't see it as a definite need or urge. Apparently none of the dealers are jumping to get me to upgrade either since it seems very hard to part with my money. The times I keep calling and ask whether they will please take my money have gone so I must be pretty happy

    You wouldn't believe, maybe you would but I shake my own head in disbelieve thinking about it, the number of contraptions I have tried and used over the years.

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    Think how much money you all could have saved if only you had discovered Maalox a few years earlier!

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    Re: Progressing through time and gear

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I THINK I finally hit a point of being CONTENT
    Right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Right.

    LOL Now I won't ever say never because you keep drilling that in my head. I will still look for that extra lens or contraption that I may need , more of my point is we are HERE and not much past MF that would be any better on the IQ part. Sure a tech cam is still on the want list and things like that but more 40k investments are already done and don't need to go after them. I still want a M9 and three lenses but that is a 10k investment that I am not making anytime soon. I think what is important is we are hitting the marks now with these newer backs and MF , sure better LCD and stuff like that but unless there is a major breakthrough in sensors coming soon than we can sit on our hands pretty much. I will leave nothing out but I do just feel really good right now about my choices and more important my images. Now if i upgrade to a P65+ does that count.
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    I have not touched my Nikon kit in almost two years ...

    D300 Tamron 28-75, antique 70-200 2.8 push pull, Tamron 90 macro, 55 1.2 AI'd, Sigma 120-300 2.8 + TC, gizto, bogen .... works just great!

    In that same two year time frame ..
    Nikon F100, F4s

    Bessa-R, M6, RD-1 that is still with me.

    GA654, GA645Zi, Bronica 645, stuck with the Zi zoom.

    Speed Graphic 135 and 210 , Polaroid 900 4X5 conversion with 150mm I think the speed is about to go on the block.

    And most recently, Mamiya ZD/AFDII 645, 80mm/150mm, 55-110. The 55 is not wide enough, and the 110 not long enough ( will it ever end?)

    On the D-Slr, I'm happy, like the reach/speed/quality/price .... I'll shoot it till the shutter drops out.

    The Fuji GA645zi is a great lens around a good enough body for the amount of medium format that I shoot.

    4X5 rangefinder 1/2 the size of the Speed, two grapfmaitc backs, almost like shooting roll film.

    I love the files from the ZD .... the ergonomics and some usability suck. The whole kit was sub 5K, cant get into the Nikon game for near that price. I seriously have to ask my self if another 6-10K upgrade is really going to buy me anything significant.

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    Really happy with my H3D39 (only 39MP ) and will get some more lenses. The HTS is a pretty cool thing, very versatile, cannot totally replace a tech cam with dedicated lenses, but really delivers! So in the MF section I am a happy camper. Maybe add 1 or 2 lenses and that is it! not going to upgrade to a H4D60 soon - but who knows.

    Different story for DSLR though - back in Nikon (D700) and all the new nanocoated zooms from 14 - 200. This is a totally different game and I still cannot think that this could be replaced by any MF gear - not Hasselblad, not Phase and almost impossible by S2.

    WRT my M system - this is a weird story, sitting on a big collection of coded M glass, but my M8 sold and not replaced till now by a M9. And I still cannot think of doing that soon, I am still hoping for a M9.2 or M10 which will finally bring high ISO performance of current top of the line DSLR models. What kind of replaced my M system for the time being is the Oly EP2 and standard zoom plus 2.8/17. This is a VERY versatile combination and delivers high IQ. Will get a NEX5 soon - this is the range where I can play with relatively less money.

    Replace all by a Phase P40+ or a H4D40? Not sure if I am at this stage of maturity right now, but could easily happen that it comes sooner than later

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    Dave it mostly likely would be speed. Speed in back , higher ISO and stuff like that. Your 22 mpx ZD is outstanding at ISO 100, I know I had one and it proved itself but it was lack of speed and some functions that moved me up butI also may have different requirements than you . Which we all know we all beat to a different drum when it comes to needs. I need the speed myself and main reason to go to the P40+ plus was ISO and back speed. The one saving grace in MF is once you get in you can upgrade at a pretty good level without killing the bank. Right now is a prime example of getting a P40+ for maybe under 13k if you do it right a cheap P25 can be had for say 4k than the upgrade is 9900.00 to a brand new P40+ back which will last a LONG time. This really has helped me move up fairly quickly in backs and in less than 2 years from the ZD pretty impressive but maybe one too many backs in the process for me. I should have bought the P30+ in the first place over the P25+ which when I did make the purchase was a agonizing decision and in the end bought the P30+ anyway. Great case of making smart decisions here. I could have done it a little better but that is okay
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    Boy, what a bunch of smug gear sluts! (I know'em 'cos I's one too.)

    I'm very very happy with my Phase DF/P65+ (and too many lenses) Sony a900/a700 (and too many lenses) and recently acquired Leica X1 (and too few lenses)....but you know what?

    When something totally new and different turns up, I'll be drooling with the rest of you. A gear slut is NEVER satisfied. (Happy, yes, but never satisfied.)

    Satisfaction is a very temporary frame of mind.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Caulfeild-Browne View Post
    . A gear slut is NEVER satisfied. (Happy, yes, but never satisfied.)

    Satisfaction is a very temporary frame of mind.....
    Finally some common sense truths are spoken!
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    A comment to Guy --- I do this as a hobby. So in terms of frame rate ( speed ) I am my own boss. In terms of ISO (speed) I shoot the MF almost exclusively on X at ISO 50 anyway. If I need more light, I just crank them up. ( Ok, sometimes 100) I really do need to tether as the screen sucks!

    If I'm moving outside the studio, its to shoot swim meets, or cowboys or some other fast moving things, if not fast moving, then far away. Thus the D300. The next Gen FX may be in my future.

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    Okay, got my morning chores done and decided I'd add my comments for posterity. If I wrote everything I was thinking, it would be so long nobody would read it, so I'll give an extremely abbreviated version.

    My P65+ generates more file than I really need for most of my imaging; I could have easily made do with the P40+ or even stayed with my P45+ and remained "satisfied" for quite a while. (No, I will not give a definite time-frame for the duration of that satisfaction!) But then it was the same when I shot 4x5 film and I still went on to 8x10 as well, so there you go. IMO there's always more satisfaction to be had from more image. And more justification.

    We can niggle over the file traits of color and DR too -- as with everything else about the image, "more" here is usually better too. Better for what though? Our own satisfaction, our ability to justify the purchases, or some real measurable improvement to our images? I submit the former are more likely when we should be focusing on the latter...

    Next we can wax poetic over lens traits. We love various characteristics such creamy Bokeh, smooth rendering, laser sharpness, roundness, or any of a dozen other terms that make us sound like wine snobs at a tasting convention. Heck, I've even heard "great plasticity" whatever the heck that means! Point is, we often use these traits to justify our purchases rather than a desire to put them to serious work for us.

    My point is I think I have grown a little with age (finally). I now actually try and put the traits I tout to work for me to make better and better images. (Novel concept, I know, but admittedly not one I have always focused on myself...) The upside is I can actually see it working now, usually seeing results on multiple images from any given shoot, so get encouraged and continue pursue that track. And surprise, the more I pursue it, the more often it happens, and the more often I am satisfied with "what I already own" which is a good thing I think.

    Of course then I sometimes get hit with an alternate reality --- like making a pretty nice image from a camera and lens that cost me half what a basic MF 80 prime would, all while using it on one of its in-camera jpeg setting . That's when I start to wonder how important the gear is relative to artistic vision...

    One recent MF shot I spent some time working and one recent 4/3rds cam shot basically straight out of the camera. Not really similar so you can't compare them, but I like them both pretty equally and one was a lot easier to make:




    But I love my P65+

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    LOVE that tree reflection, Jack!
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    Re: Progressing through time and gear

    Recently, it's been more about the smaller incidentals that have improved the use of what I already have.

    RRS HD monopod QR head for the H4D/40, their base plates for the M9 so my QR system is all unified between cameras. The new Think Tank lens bag that has improved mobility with the H4D/40 or Sony. Camadapter hand straps with Arca QR and dual strap lugs. The little Quadra kit.

    All of these have added functionality to existing gear and promoted more and varied use.

    Due to the economic situation I've become more discerning about major MFD products ... it really has to be applicable to a need now, not just a whim.

    The only thing I would currently like is the HC 35/90 lens. But as this year's wedding season is coming to a close, I'll probably wait.

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    Re: Progressing through time and gear

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    My P65+ generates more file than I really need for most of my imaging
    Interesting thread. I feel very similar to Guy and others ... I'm finally at a place where I have enough comfort with my equipment that I don't feel I'll be limited afterwards. (Mamiya 645DF/Alpa 12max/p65+ back)

    Since my goal is large images (50" or larger), the key word in that phrase is "most". I will agree than perhaps 95% of the images I take, my 5Dmk2 or even my GF1 is more than enough. The problem is I don't always know when those other 5% are going to occur, and I've got way too many images taken in years past that just can't handle printing large. So I tend to shoot almost exclusively with MF ... sort of a better safe than sorry approach.

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    One reason I went MF clients are making things very large with little control on my end. So I look at it as a CYA system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    One reason I went MF clients are making things very large with little control on my end. So I look at it as a CYA system.
    Or cropping in a lot ... which has been happening more than large usage for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Or cropping in a lot ... which has been happening more than large usage for me.

    -Marc
    Valid point...
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    Re: Progressing through time and gear

    I was searching the forum and ended up on this thread again. I thought it worth resurrection with 2011 perspectives from all involved because if I'm not mistaken ALL of you have upgraded and/or now bought technical cameras & lenses.



    BTW: I deliberately leave myself out of this discussion because I KNOW I'm a hopeless gear slut with no pretensions of being anything else!
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    Glad you did Graham! I bring a completely different perspective because I was entrenched in Canon and the IQ announcement is what pushed me over the edge; that combined with a long-lasting desire to use a technical camera.

    Most of the discussion above is about image quality, not shooting experience. From a user interface perspective, I think it is simple: None of us knew what we were missing. Well, maybe we knew, but underestimated the value improved UI would bring to our shooting experience.

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    On the topic of gear sluttiness, I'll throw my hat in the ring here. I only starred taking photography a little more seriously than a compact point and shoot back in December 2010.

    A trip to Prague quickly taught me how good location, technique and subjects, along with a good mentor, could help me actualize memories (and start ho'ing pics), but I quickly got tired of the very limited high iso performance of the D3100 that saw me through December.

    In January 2011, I sprung for a D700 and was shooting concerts and Motorsports events semi-professionally, and amassed the Nikon Trinity, along with the 35/2, 50/1.4G, 85/1.4D, 105/2DC, 135/2DC, and an 85/2.8 PC-E Micro-Nikkor.

    In March 2011, during a one light workshop with Zack Arias here in Dubai during the Gulf Photo Plus week, a tsunami hit Japan and I took a spot decision to grab a D3s before they became hard to come by. I had been contemplating that body for some time, due to the sort of lighting conditions that comes with live concert photography,

    In May, I came into possession of a Hasselblad 500CM with the 120/4 Macro-Planar, an A12 back, A16 back along with miscellaneous accessories like the light meter winder knob. With that, I fell quickly in a love hate relationship with medium format photography, the agile 6x6 format, the insane bokeh (how much money do 35mm shooters spend to get f0.95 lenses just to get the creaminess of the bokeh we get in MF at f2.8?), the unforgiving DOF and focusing challenges, among others.

    That set me down a slippery slope that found me on eBay, and within a month, I had picked up another 4 A12 backs, an extra Polaroid back, an 80/2.8 CF, and a 180/4 CF plus more accessories.

    A Mamiya RB67 Pro-SD arrived in June, and I fell deeper in love, wiht the 6x7 format and even more insane bokeh. The 127mm K-L lens quickly found company with a 90 Sekor C, a 150 soft focus, and a 180mm KL lens, along with a spare Pro-SD back or two. All without putting a huge hole in the bank, and I found myself enjoying shooting for myself (as compared to shooting for clients). So much so that I picked a great deal on an RZ Pro with 110/2.8 lens and back in July. I loved the dynamic range of film, not knowing what I was going to get, the anticipation of waiting to get my rolls back from the lab (developing at home is a PITA here in Dubai), and basking in the shots I got off the RB, RZ and 500CM.

    Late July comes around, and with it, an excellent deal on a Mamiya AFD II with Aptus 65 back (I was told by the seller that it was a 65S and later found out to be otherwise), along with a 55/2.8, 80/2.8, and a 150/3.5 lens. A 210/4 ULD was sourced from B&H and I was a happy puppy with Capture One and my MFD system.

    Up until now, most of my MF work is portraiture, something I enjoy immensely.

    So here I was, back in Singapore for a short 2 week break, when I get grubby hands on a Hasselblad H4D during the local Hasselblad User Group meeting. I'm blown away by the accuracy and speed of the AF, True Focus, the comfort of the ergonomics, the single power unit (as opposed to having one battery for the back, and 6 AA cells for the body), and high speed flash sync. I had been debating over upgrading to a 645DF with Aptus-II 6 back and 80/2.8 Schneider lens for the same price, but the ergonomics of the Hasselblad won me over, despite having to start back with one lens (in comparison, if I had stayed on with Phamiya, I would have been able to retain the use of my existing lenses, all mof which wee good enough for my purpose) and not have the ability to flash sync at 1/1600, or shoot at 1/4000s. I got a decent offer for my Mamiya MFD system sans two lenses and film backs) and the very morning that I sold it, found myself in possession of a Hasselblad H4D-31 (on hindsight, I wish I got the 40 instead, but the extra was going to be hard to justify, despite the appeal of the Upcoming firmware upgrade on 1 December).

    It's been a great 10 months, full of rich learning experiences and rewarding pictures and moments. Haven't regretted any purchase yet, and looking forward to traveling more and getting better with my shooting and post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Libby View Post
    Okay who are you and what did you do to Ken?
    I was thinking the exact same thing about Guy!


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    Guy it's a good thing your finally getting satisfied. Aren't we getting close to the limits of physics with resolution, light angle, etc. The next announcement will probably be 6x7 and we'll have to start over.

    Truth is, for portrait work the resolution is not necessary but the buttery looking color and dynamic range makes for a wonderfully dramatic visual.

    As a large format landscape, I too am finally getting results I envisioned when I dove into MF. Seeing a 10' wide print from the IQ180 is a sight to behold considering half the people take their reading glasses out to explore every inch.

    I am in love with the look of the HR32 and HR23 files, they are so sharp and have a photographic look that is incredible. My SK 72 and 150 are plenty sharp but the micro contrast or something seems lacking compared to the HR glass. Not intending to bash SK because the 35XL has similar clarity to the HR. The 72L and 150 create great prints but they are not up to the fantastic level of the super glass wides.

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    Guy,
    Did you hear about the new MFDB with 200 mpx resolution and 24 stop DR? Clean images up to ISO 24000 at 25000 it starts to get noisy but a firmware fix is on the way

    It will image a black cat in a coal mine and get the filaments in the hanging bulbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atanabe View Post
    Guy,
    Did you hear about the new MFDB with 200 mpx resolution and 24 stop DR? Clean images up to ISO 24000 at 25000 it starts to get noisy but a firmware fix is on the way

    It will image a black cat in a coal mine and get the filaments in the hanging bulbs.

    My friend, true gear sluts will never really be satisfied. enjoy the glow

    -Al
    100% very true, and i am sure after 5-10 years if i am still alive the latest gear will be shown off no doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atanabe View Post
    Guy,
    Did you hear about the new MFDB with 200 mpx resolution and 24 stop DR? Clean images up to ISO 24000 at 25000 it starts to get noisy but a firmware fix is on the way

    It will image a black cat in a coal mine and get the filaments in the hanging bulbs.

    My friend, true gear sluts will never really be satisfied. enjoy the glow

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    How soon can I get my hands on one? I heard that rumour as well, along with the expected RRP of USD5,000
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    I will chime in ......

    The ZD is gone. A good year and some cash in hand led to a P30+, and my MFDB woes were almost gone Gosh darn crop factor. We are a small community, and I wound up with Guys 35mm third hand. I shoot almost exclusively in the studio, and this suits me just fine, great frame rate, a tethered solution that works, very useable ISO 400, and ISO 800 in a pinch.

    My APS-C and Micro 4/3 world is about to change radically. As we all know, print/output size matters, and in this part of my photographic world, Nikon is sucking wind through a bleeding chest wound. In my photographic life. The D300 will not be replaced by a D400, but rather a Panasonic G3, the lenses are good enough, and the IQ/DR/Tonality is just fine below 8X10. I have just completed two studio sets, and the few shots where the MF system does not work well are filled just fine by the G3. ( I have the PP done, and will post links in the right board soon ) Think ultrawide, 18mm FF equivalent.

    For the kids running around, family sports and snaps, the G3 + 14-140 is great, add the 20mm, 100-300 and a 45 1.8, and I'm selling the Nikon kit at some point ( or parts of it ). If you look on this very board, one member even took this type of kit on a once in a lifetime safari. For the occasional bit of street shooting that I do, this is a fine platform.

    My film world has simplified, I'm down to one 4X5, and soon will have only one Nikon film body. I inherited a Zeiss folder, and had it CLA'd. The Fuji may go or not ....

    The only place where things are not clear is that special place in my heart that I have for the RD-1. A M9 would be great, but for 300 frames a year, sorely underused. Ditto M8. The Sony NEX-7 and Ricoh are offering some interesting fodder, but I'm no early adopter in this market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    I was searching the forum and ended up on this thread again. I thought it worth resurrection with 2011 perspectives from all involved because if I'm not mistaken ALL of you have upgraded and/or now bought technical cameras & lenses.



    BTW: I deliberately leave myself out of this discussion because I KNOW I'm a hopeless gear slut with no pretensions of being anything else!
    Naughty, naughty, Graham! I hope everyone caught the dates of the posts. (May significant others never ever read the leading posts in this thread feigning contentment...)

    Okay---September 2011, one year later, I can now truly say I am almost content with my MFDB system (only because my pocket book says so). I will add that I do think some consideration should be given to personal choices in equipment used, after all, a significant part of the enjoyment in creating images is the actual photography, and using equipment that you enjoy is what adds to that experience. For example, I have/use a full Canon DSLR set-up, not because I enjoy it, but because some of my work calls for it. It's nice but no real love. But I really enjoy photographing with a MFDB rather than a DSLR.

    So it might be kind of fun to note what you're using now, and your feelings---and than Graham can catch us with our pants down in about a year or so... Right Guy? (hey, btw, how's that Cambo RS, IQ160, and new RRS tripod coming along?)

    I moved up from a P65+ to an IQ180 and 645DF. Gorgeous wall portraits. The IQ180 is a joy to use. UI makes all the difference. And I'm almost content. I really want Schneider to offer a wide angle Phase LS lens ala 28 or 35. The IQ180 could be my last MFDB. Dangerous words, huh?

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    Okay Ken pulled me off my forum break. Trying to get some real things done. LOL

    Well it is a year later and yes some things changed at least for the better but in a way they stayed the same. Yes I have a IQ 160 but I guess it is a testament to the sensor since I bought the same one as my P40 only bigger. Frankly it was a Very smart move on my part and I fought off the you should get the IQ 180 instead and I'm happy I did. In the end this was what I was after and yes I did replace my wide angle with a tech cam and so far that has actually turned out to be pretty dang good. I actually shot a group photo yesterday of 200 people inside a plant from a scissor lift with the Cambo. If anyone knows me well enough i will do what your not supposed to do with a cam. I did buy a RRS tv 23 series 2 tripod and kudo's to Ken and Stephen for a little arm twisting although been thinking of switching for awhile from Gitzo to RRS. So I have the travel pod and it is frankly kick *** over the Gitzo. Now I want to get the TV 34l but I see Mark did a review on it, now they will never be in stock again. LOL Damn him he let the secret out.
    Seriously great tripod but very pricey and stock right now is the pits on them. But even the tv 23 which is small is rated at 40 lbs and the Gitzo equal is 26 which I played with in Yosemite that Bob has but wanted to give the RRS a try and so far it's a gem. I bought a leveling base for it too and going to instal that today. It's only 52 inches but with leveling base and Z1 head it put my Cambo actually above me which is what I wanted. But look for my Gitzo 3 series to be sold I want the TV 34L next.
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    I'll just quote myself with updates cause it's easier than 'splainin; just substitute P65+ with IQ180, and P45+ with P65+

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Okay, got my morning chores done and decided I'd add my comments for posterity. If I wrote everything I was thinking, it would be so long nobody would read it, so I'll give an extremely abbreviated version.

    My P65+ generates more file than I really need for most of my imaging; I could have easily made do with the P40+ or even stayed with my P45+ and remained "satisfied" for quite a while. (No, I will not give a definite time-frame for the duration of that satisfaction!) But then it was the same when I shot 4x5 film and I still went on to 8x10 as well, so there you go. IMO there's always more satisfaction to be had from more image. And more justification.

    We can niggle over the file traits of color and DR too -- as with everything else about the image, "more" here is usually better too. Better for what though? Our own satisfaction, our ability to justify the purchases, or some real measurable improvement to our images? I submit the former are more likely when we should be focusing on the latter...

    Next we can wax poetic over lens traits. We love various characteristics such creamy Bokeh, smooth rendering, laser sharpness, roundness, or any of a dozen other terms that make us sound like wine snobs at a tasting convention. Heck, I've even heard "great plasticity" whatever the heck that means! Point is, we often use these traits to justify our purchases rather than a desire to put them to serious work for us.

    My point is I think I have grown a little with age (finally). I now actually try and put the traits I tout to work for me to make better and better images. (Novel concept, I know, but admittedly not one I have always focused on myself...) The upside is I can actually see it working now, usually seeing results on multiple images from any given shoot, so get encouraged and continue pursue that track. And surprise, the more I pursue it, the more often it happens, and the more often I am satisfied with "what I already own" which is a good thing I think.

    Of course then I sometimes get hit with an alternate reality --- like making a pretty nice image from a camera and lens that cost me half what a basic MF 80 prime would, all while using it on one of its in-camera jpeg setting . That's when I start to wonder how important the gear is relative to artistic vision...

    One recent MF shot I spent some time working and one recent 4/3rds cam shot basically straight out of the camera. Not really similar so you can't compare them, but I like them both pretty equally and one was a lot easier to make:




    But I love my P65+

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    And now I also love my Arca RM3D!

    IQ180 on DF with 55LS:



    IQ180 on Arca with 40mm HR-W:


    PS: And my P&S camera got even smaller
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    Went out last night and my wife said bring the little camera. Hmmm honey sold that thing. Want me to bring the Cambo. LOL

    Did not go over to well. LOL
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    I remember laughing at this thread a year ago, laughing all the more to read it now!

    Still shooting the same pair of 5D's since they were released some 7 years ago, two out of my three main lenses haven't changed in that time at all either. Am I allowed to continue on the forum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Rubinstein View Post
    I remember laughing at this thread a year ago, laughing all the more to read it now!

    Still shooting the same pair of 5D's since they were released some 7 years ago, two out of my three main lenses haven't changed in that time at all either. Am I allowed to continue on the forum?
    Not only can you continue, we may have to elevate you to "Enigma" status!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Went out last night and my wife said bring the little camera. Hmmm honey sold that thing. Want me to bring the Cambo. LOL

    Did not go over to well. LOL
    "Honey, where did you park my Camry?"

    Oh, just use the SUV.

    "So where is it?"

    Ah ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    "Honey, where did you park my Camry?"

    Oh, just use the SUV.

    "So where is it?"

    Ah ...

    Giggle.
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