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    First sample 645D shots

    Hello all,

    At long last, I have shot some sample pix with this camera. I should stress that these are not test pictures as such - I still have not bought my new tripod, and the shots are not produced in standardised, controlled conditions. So this is merely an initial taster intended to give an impression.

    I will post a sequence of pictures gradually...

    The first shot (file number ending in 40) was shot with the camera resting on a desk using my Pentax 6x7 105mm f2.4 lens via an adaptor. ISO 200. Focus confirmation used.

    A close up crop from the centre of the frame is included as well.

    The second shot was shot handheld using the brandnew 55mm f2.8 lens released specifically for use with the 645D. Also ISO 200. Focus and recompose used (recompose being irrelevant with such a distant subject).

    A close up crop from the centre of the frame is included as well.

    More to follow...

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    I should also say that I processed these by converting the camera's PEF files to DNG then using ACR. Slightly better results are possible using Pentax's own software, but I wanted to replicate what others might see from DNGs.

    They are pretty much out of the camera, with only capture sharpening applied and a small amount of the 'Clarity' slider to suit my taste.

    Shot on auto exposure.

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    Cool, keep 'em coming!

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    Some more.

    Also hand held, on ISO 200, using auto exposure (I think) and auto focus with recomposing.

    Interesting hint of moire in the texture of the eagle...

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    Of these next two shots, the one of the building was shot on ISO 400, also handheld, using auto exposure and auto focus with recompose. This used the new 55mm lens.

    The final shot used the Pentax 6x7 135mm f4 macro lens using the Pentax adaptor. Camera put down on some masonry and subject propped against a wall (so not parallel to sensor on all axes). Manual focus lens - with Focus confirmation used. Auto exposure.

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    Re: First sample 645D shots

    One more picture (with the full scene and a small portion pulled out)... Still handheld. This time shot with the Pentax 67 75mm f2.8 AL lens and adaptor. Auto exposure. Manual focus lens used with focus confirmation. ISO 200.

    If anyone would like to explain to me how I could upload a file without it being crunched down like this, please do. The files are better than they look above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed HUrst View Post
    If anyone would like to explain to me how I could upload a file without it being crunched down like this, please do. The files are better than they look above.
    Use Dropbox put them in the Public folder as for example a zip file and post the link:

    http://www.dropbox.com

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    When we open them up in their own window, they shouldn't be getting crunched. These files have an interesting rendering. Not sure how to describe it just yet. Thanks for posting these!

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    Re: First sample 645D shots

    Ed, you're really getting around. Where next, Cape York? If you are in Sydney for long, I can provide a tripod.
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    Re: First sample 645D shots

    Finally

    But of course you can't judge those JPEGs...possible to load (a sharp, crisp) DNG up?
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    Ed
    Thank you once again for posting these
    I agree if you are able to post a few random DNG's for us to push around, it would be highly appreciated.
    But please keep them coming.
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    Re: First sample 645D shots

    Hello all,

    As requested, here are dropbox links to DNG files that correspond to the pictures I have posted above. These pictures are only evaluation shots (i.e. of no photographic merit especially!) so I don't feel I am taking a massive risk here. Nevertheless, I respectfully request that you download these files purely to allow you to evaluate the 645D and that no other use of these files is made without my express permission.

    Please note that the PEF (Pentax's raw format) files seem, when used with Pentax's own software, to produce somewhat better results (at least compared to what I have been able to achieve so far). Maybe it's the 'secret sauce' issue we keep hearing about...

    Oh, and just as a reminder, please note that ISO 200 is the camera's base ISO. You can only go below that with ISO expansion, which I have avoided as this generally leads (from experience with other cameras) to reduced dynamic range. This is why there are no files taken at any ISO lower than 200.

    Finally, please don't forget that these are not taken with a tripod. They are either handheld (in the case of outdoor shots) or taken with the camera resting on a solid object like a desk or masonry wall. So these are purely to give you an impression of the camera. I don't pretend they represent a proper test.

    Enjoy - and please let me know what you think.

    Ed

    P.S. I hope to actually take some decent pictures with the camera soon!


    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9943931/_IGP0134.dng

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9943931/_IGP0093.dng

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9943931/_IGP0084.dng

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9943931/_IGP0071.dng

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9943931/_IGP0062.dng

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9943931/_IGP0048.dng

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9943931/_IGP0040.dng

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    Re: First sample 645D shots

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed HUrst View Post
    please let me know what you think.
    try RAW Developer - looks really good!

    Corner sharpness of the 55mm in the first shot (0048) is great (left hand side) as is the corner sharpness of the 105mm (0040).

    Could not load the other files by now (maybe they are still uploading?).

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    Re: First sample 645D shots

    Hi Thomas - thanks for that - they are all uploaded now.

    Hi Jeff - a bit of travelling involved, but just Melbourne and Sydney! Your offer of the use of a tripod is much appreciated - I might just take you up on that. Where are you based?

    Warmest regards to all,

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    Ed
    Thank you so much for posting these
    I'm excited to play with them.
    downloading as I'm writing this.
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    Re: First sample 645D shots

    Here's another one - my first picture taken with this camera in action. Nothing special (if only there had been visible steam from the loco.!). The final 'worked' version has detail brought out in the dark areas, but I want to show you something close to 'straight from the can'.

    You can find the DNG here:
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9943931/_IGP0114.dng

    Best wishes,

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    Re: First sample 645D shots

    Northern beaches of Sydney.
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    Hi Jeff. Good to know! I'm in Kirribilli, so it's pretty close by. Maybe we could meet up over a drink some time soon to talk photography...

    Best wishes,

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    Sounds like a plan.
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    Re: First sample 645D shots

    Thanks for sharing these images Ed. Did you use the new 55mm lens for the photo of the steam locomotive? Look forward to seeing more and reading your impressions of using the camera. Are you happy with how the P67 lenses are working on the 645D thus far?

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    Hi Gary,

    Yes, the steam loco. shot was on the new 55mm lens.

    As for the performance of the Pentax 67 lenses, it's hard for me to give a definitive conclusion at this stage, since I haven't done formal tests. However, my initial impressions are that some lenses are good and others less so. The 75mm f2.8AL, 105mm f2.4, 135mm f4 macro (only used up close) and 150mm f2.8 have all seemed good. The 200mm f4 I have yet to achieve a really crisp shot with, but that could be because I haven't used a tripod; also, I was never totally convinced by that lens even on film. I haven't tried the 300mm f4 EDIF yet. Overall, very promising with these lenses, I must say. And the way the focus confirmation works is very slick.

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    Re: First sample 645D shots

    Ed, thanks for posting these.

    Some pretty convincing shots so far given that you just got the new camera. Pentax owners have to be delighted ... finally,

    Lots more sky detail in that first "blue" building shot indicating a decent dynamic range. I noted a red cast in the pillow shot ... but it may be due to the walls reflecting into the face of the pillow.

    100% views of the train shot shows pretty good performance out to the edges using the new 55mm. Are there more digital lenses planned?

    Not seeing much CA or sensor fringing so far as these shots indicate.

    I looked at these in Lightroom 3. Gave Phocus a try as a long shot, but no luck.

    I think we'll see more out of this camera as users optimize how to post process the files.

    What's the highest ISO? Longest exposure time?

    Love to see some people shots in good available light.

    How is the view through the viewfinder? The viewing device seems small ... is it easy to see the whole frame, or do you have to really center the eye?

    Best of luck on the new adventure! At this price point, some competitive makers have to be sweating a little : -)

    I must say, if I had a set of Pentax lenses this would be a no-brainer decision.

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    Re: First sample 645D shots

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed HUrst View Post
    Hi Thomas - thanks for that - they are all uploaded now.
    many thanks!
    Now, the 75mm in the "Milsons Point" shot also looks very good.
    To me all the images look fine... especially as they are hand hold.
    Noise at ISO200 is a bit too high for my taste (not too high for ISO200, but for base ISO) but that might be just a problem of the unsupported file (RAW Developer can open it, but it's not officially supported by now). On the other hand when you push the files by 3 stops (equivalent to ISO1600) they still look remarkably good... to me. Didn't play around that much with NR but even without applying luminance NR (only color NR) they look more than usable at print size (resp. at 50% on the monitor). If I'm not mistaken that is the same sensor technology as in the H4D40...? Possibly Kodak made a very capable sensor here...
    I do not like how camera raw (6.1) handles the files. I don't know why... they look a bit coarse and flat. However in RAW Developer things look really good.
    Have fun!

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    Yes, I am pretty impressed with the dynamic range so far.

    The red cast on the 'pillow shot' doesn't surprise me - it was taken in a hotel room in a mixture of tungsten and fluorescent light - and red wallpaper! So my guess is any auto white balance system would have struggled...

    Re. more digital lenses - it's my understanding that they are already working on a wider lens (which by all accounts is the part of the existing P645 lens range that under-performs on digital). The existing longer lenses seem to fare well as it is. But my hope is that there will eventually be a comprehensive range of specialised digital lenses, including a fast zoom spanning something like the 50mm - 100mm range. Time will tell.

    Highest ISO available (without expansion) is 1000, with 1600 available with expansion. I haven't extensively tested the really high ISOs, but so far I am impressed. Longest exposure time is 30 secs.

    The viewfinder is very good. Clear and bright - with the whole frame being pretty easy to see. The screen on the back by the way is very good indeed - better than my Canon 5Dii. The only downside is that it allows you to zoom into images beyond the point where the resolution of the preview file makes this totally useful. But the screen itself is very high res., bright and clear.

    I must say that right now I feel like I've made a pretty good decision!

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    They look very good indeed in Pentax's own software - if you use PEF format rather than DNG. If anyone has that software, I will gladly upload some PEFs, but I'm guessing none of you does!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomas View Post
    I do not like how camera raw (6.1) handles the files. I don't know why...
    Have you tried LR 3.2? It supports the 645D:

    http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Lightroom_3.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by xpixel View Post
    Have you tried LR 3.2?
    no. I don't use Lightroom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomas View Post
    no. I don't use Lightroom.
    There is already a release candidate for camera raw 6.2 for Photoshop:

    http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Camera_Raw_6.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by xpixel View Post
    There is already a release candidate for camera raw 6.2 for Photoshop:
    I also don't use camera raw
    It's a free plugin of Photoshop so I use it very rarely to open files that are not supported in other raw softwares. But if it would not be part of Photoshop I wouldn't pay anything for it.

    However, thanks for the link!

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    Ed, thank you so much for those files!
    The Quality is impressive.
    Longest exposure time is 30 secs.
    +Bulb.


    This account's public links are generating too much traffic and have been temporarily disabled!
    Sadly I can't download the files now(at home).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed HUrst View Post
    They look very good indeed in Pentax's own software - if you use PEF format rather than DNG. If anyone has that software, I will gladly upload some PEFs, but I'm guessing none of you does!
    645D can do native in-camera .DNG raws - so why do you use .PEF if you convert 'em to .DNG anyways ?

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    Thanks for the samples Ed. I'd love to see some shots with the M* 300/4 ED IF. If the more humble 67 lenses are holding their own on the 645D, the M* telephoto's should shine.

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    I shoot and use PEFs. I only converted them to DNGs for posting here because I know most of you can use DNGs, but not PEFs. In reality, PEF is my format of choice.

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    Looks like really nice rendering.

    The train image has good dimensionality, what i call "reach in" quality.

    Lenses seem to mate nicely to the camera.

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    First chance I get (i.e. when I have a tripod), the 300 EDIF will get used!

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    By the way, on the question of humble versus 'newer and hotter' 67 lenses, I should point out that the 75mm f2.8 AL lens was also a very late release and is wonderul in terms of resolution (though perhaps with a little distortion when used with very linear subjects). So I fully expected that to be wonderful too.

    The pleasant surprise is how good some of the older 67 lenses are holding up as well (though perhaps not the 200; and the 165 I am unsure of as well - tripod tests needed methinks).

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    Re: First sample 645D shots

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed HUrst View Post
    By the way, on the question of humble versus 'newer and hotter' 67 lenses, I should point out that the 75mm f2.8 AL lens was also a very late release and is wonderul in terms of resolution (though perhaps with a little distortion when used with very linear subjects). So I fully expected that to be wonderful too.

    The pleasant surprise is how good some of the older 67 lenses are holding up as well (though perhaps not the 200; and the 165 I am unsure of as well - tripod tests needed methinks).
    I was wondering about that 75 f2.8 AL.....I had never heard of it before, so checked on the Web. I've got the 75 f4.5 and the 75 f4.5 Shift lenses....but the 75 2.8 AL looks like a beauty. Must be hard to come by.....I couldn't find any for sale at all my usual places.

    I'll be interested to see how you like the P67 45mm lens on the 645D.....and of course that 300mm EDIF!

    Gary

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    Ed, which 200/4 are you using? The latest design is supposed to be very good. Nick Brandt certainly uses one with great success. Sample variation perhaps? I've heard that can be a problem with 67 lenses ( and many other brands). It took me three tries to get a sharp 45/4.
    Any chance you have the M* 400/4 EDIF or the M* 800/6.7 EDIF? I'd REALLY like to see how those perform on the 645D.

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    Hi Gary,

    Yes, the 67 system 75mm f2.8AL is a wonderful lens. As far as I know (which is UK-based knowledge, because that's where I was at the time) it was only made briefly. It was a late release for the 67 system; surprising they were still investing in new stuff at that point. I bought it new during that period (when I was making extensive use of my 67ii's) and have never seen one for sale used. I guess not many of them were made or sold. Having said that, I believe that the 67 system continued being sold for longer in Japan, so perhaps there are some of them floating around there.

    In resolution and contrast, it's simply a stunning lens - easily as good as anything I have ever used. Curiously, there is (I think) slightly more distortion than in the older 75mm f4.5, but this has never been an issue with the sort of stuff I do - and I don't think it's very marked anyway.

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    The 67 200 f4 I am using is the final version. It's not a bad lens, but I was never 100% convinced by it even on film. If the 165 and 300 EDIF were not so fantastic, I might have accepted it, but it was always sort of 'good but not exciting'. Having said that, it might be ok with the 645D once I have tried it with a tripod. I need to test more to be sure. Or, as you say, I might just have fallen foul of sample variation. It's a good lens, but I am fussy :-)

    Sadly I don't have anything longer than the 67 system M* 300mm f4 EDIF lens (which is a stunner). But if anyone wants to loan me a 400 or 800 to test with the 645D, I would be delighted to do so.

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    P.S. Gary - I don't have a 67 45mm lens. The widest I currently own is 55mm (both the 67 f4 final version and now the new f2.8 version released with the 645D). I will need something wider but am awaiting new digital-specific releases...

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    Ed, if you find yourself in Hawaii, contact me. I have both the 400 and 800 M* lenses. We could meet on the north shore and test them on the 645D. I'll supply the tripod.

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    Great offer! If someone wants to fly me to Hawaii, then I'll be glad to take you up on it :-)

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    Re: First sample 645D shots

    Quote Originally Posted by surfotog View Post
    Ed, if you find yourself in Hawaii, contact me. I have both the 400 and 800 M* lenses. We could meet on the north shore and test them on the 645D. I'll supply the tripod.
    Wow....can't be many folks out there with these two lenses!

    How about a flight as follows for your next trip back to the UK: Australia...Hawaii....Alaska...UK. Stop over in Alaska and I'll supply the 45mm for testing.

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    Pausing only to sell a kidney to be able to afford the airfare

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    Re: First sample 645D shots

    interesting camera, thanx for posting.
    but i can't help - the upper right corner of all the images done with the 55'
    look pretty blurto me. upper left seems to be ok.

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    Re: First sample 645D shots

    Ed, possible to shoot a 30s [email protected] 200? Or maybe even a 1min+ one...
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    Re: First sample 645D shots

    I'll have a look at the top left and top right issue further and see if there's anything going on here that I can identify. Can't say I had noticed that myself.

    As for a long exposure pic @ ISO 200, no problem. I'll do this as soon as I can.

    Anything else I can help with anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed HUrst View Post
    As for a long exposure pic @ ISO 200, no problem. I'll do this as soon as I can.
    That would be great! Thank you so much for your effort!
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    I would be interested to see a longer exposure from this camera as well. Does anyone know what the longest exposure for it is?

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