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    Leaf Aptus-II 8 VS Phase one P40+ pro and cons ? and others...

    a friend of mine is in the process to buy a second back... he needs a back up, and his aptus 22 worked a lot...
    he's already own an aptus 22.
    Cameras : Arca RM3D, Arca F line 69 and mamiya AFDII.

    He will keep the 22... good back for architecture anyway, and it's always good to have a back up.

    options in his price range are :

    Leaf Aptus II 5... good price, similar to the aptus 22

    Phase one P45+... more pixels, and long exposure... but low iso as well

    Phase one P30+... nice complementarity with the aptus 22 but, not usable with movements...

    Leaf Aptus II 8 or Phase one P40+ are maybe the better balance, even if the sensor is smaller (his 28, will be similar to a 31 on the Aptus 22... not a big deal)
    what's the difference between this two ?

    The P65+ and similar are way too expensive.

    what are your opinion about it ?

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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 8 VS Phase one P40+ pro and cons ? and others...

    Being a P40+ owner my preference would be either one of these (Leaf Aptus II 8 or Phase one P40+) because of the balance , great at higher ISO's, Faster, No wake up cables, Latest 6 micron Dalsa chip although limit to 60 seconds
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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 8 VS Phase one P40+ pro and cons ? and others...

    Quote Originally Posted by archivue View Post
    what are your opinion about it ?
    what about the Aptus II-7 with the 48x36 sensor?

    I am shooting a P45 (and a P21+) and mostly on a tech camera. I am quite pleased with my kit, however if I would start again I'd probably first take a look at Leaf today. Mostly due to the LCD features that I consider very useful especially when working with a tech camera. Too, highlight handling seems to be smoother on the Leaf. Hope I can get one in my hands soon to seriously check it out by myself...

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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 8 VS Phase one P40+ pro and cons ? and others...

    I've got no experience with the backs you're considering but thought I'd mention that one of our members is selling an Aptus 8 kit that's only a few months old. http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18928

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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 8 VS Phase one P40+ pro and cons ? and others...

    Quote Originally Posted by David K View Post
    I've got no experience with the backs you're considering but thought I'd mention that one of our members is selling an Aptus 8 kit that's only a few months old. http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18928
    Being in france, considering taxes issues, warranty... i don't think it's a good idea...

    thanks anyway !

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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 8 VS Phase one P40+ pro and cons ? and others...

    Quote Originally Posted by thomas View Post
    what about the Aptus II-7 with the 48x36 sensor?
    we prefer leaf as well, but the P45+ have a good reputation in therm of long exposure...

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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 8 VS Phase one P40+ pro and cons ? and others...

    Quote Originally Posted by archivue View Post
    we prefer leaf as well, but the P45+ have a good reputation in therm of long exposure...
    now, if long exposure is an issue you have to rule out everything but Phase. And the P45+ is certainly a very nice back...

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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 8 VS Phase one P40+ pro and cons ? and others...

    I was interested in P65+ but couldn't find any way around long exposure.. I remember, I asked Jack about "stacking (P65+short) exposures" something similar to what photographers shooting Star Trails would do but couldn't find anything any solid tutorial/info.. If i remember correctly.. Jack said, he would write an article/tutorial on it.. not sure if he did it yet though..

    Perhaps, Optechs Digital or Capture Integration could do it for their blog since it's related to only one thing P65+ can't do as well compared to P45+ and CI guys are known for no nonsense approach as well as Optechs Digital!!!

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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 8 VS Phase one P40+ pro and cons ? and others...

    is the P40+ friendly with camera movements ?

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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 8 VS Phase one P40+ pro and cons ? and others...

    Yes no micro lenses and the Dalsa sensor seems to be better than the previous Kodaks on color shift. Shooting a tech cam today actually
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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 8 VS Phase one P40+ pro and cons ? and others...

    For now, he managed to test a P45+ and was quite happy with the result... 400 iso isn't bad at all ! And long exposure is really cool !
    But i still prefer how the aptus 22 deal with hight light and contrast at iso25.
    The aptus screen size is much better also !
    Considering the sensor size, and the fact that the P40+ and the P45+ cost nearly the same, why choosing a P40+ for architecture ?

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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 8 VS Phase one P40+ pro and cons ? and others...

    While it is nice that the P40+ is "flexible"... i.e. usable on a tech camera with wide angle and movements I'd go for the larger sensor if the main application is architecture (i.e. Aptus II-10, Aptus II-7, P65+ or P45+).
    On the larger sensor you can use less wide lenses to get the same field of view. For instance I'd prefer the 47XL or 43XL as "working horse" over a 35mm lens...
    The Dalsa (P40+) sensor shows less color cast ... but the Kodak sensor apparently shows less light falloff:


    As color cast is literally a non-issue (due to the very good LCC in C1) I'd prefer the better light falloff behavior of the P45+ here. Though I think in practice the falloff issue is minor.

    So... for architecture I'd say go for the larger sensor.

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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 8 VS Phase one P40+ pro and cons ? and others...

    thanks

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