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    Alpa tripod mounting plate

    I'm waiting (somewhat impatiently) for my Alpa Max to arrive this week and will need to mount this on my Arca Swiss head (i.e. Cube/B1/RRS BH-25). I was wondering what plates folks were using with these cameras (SWA/TC/Max etc) that work best and won't rotate at some point.

    I've seen the BH-22 from RRS which looks like it should work well but I figured that the experienced Alpa users here would have some options or recommendations.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    I use the NOVOFLEX QMOUNT QPL 3/8" standard plate for my ALPA 12 SWA .
    That plate is very small and I am very satisfied with that solution . I leave it mounted on the camera all the time .
    http://www.novoflex.com/en/products/...ystems/qmount/

    The only thing I do not like with that qmount is its blue color . I would prefer it in black . This qmount is ARCA compatible and fits the ARCA CUBE .
    The qmount surely also fits the ALPA (S)TC , but I do not know if it is sufficient enough for the ALPA MAX or other models .

    Jürgen

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    The RRS B22 works fine, as does the B29, a longer version of the same design. I use the B29 on my TC: it's something to hold for hand held use, and allows rotation on the nodal point with shorter lenses. The B22 might be a better choice for the Max.

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Quote Originally Posted by stephengilbert View Post
    The RRS B22 works fine, as does the B29, a longer version of the same design. I use the B29 on my TC: it's something to hold for hand held use, and allows rotation on the nodal point with shorter lenses. The B22 might be a better choice for the Max.
    With the B22 / B29 does the lip align with the front of the Alpa frame to prevent any rotation? I see that being the benefit of those plates vs the general flat plates that I already have.

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Graham,

    The lip on the B22 and B29 does not work on the ALPA bodies: they're only about 3/4 inch thick, and the slot in the plate doesn't reach close enough to the edge for the lip to work. With a 3/8 inch bolt, the fit is quite secure without the lip's help. If you have a lipless plate that'll fit, I don't think the RRS plate will add anything.

    Steve

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Thanks - that's what I thought too ...

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    In case anyone finds this thread later, I found the almost perfect plate for the Alpa Max.

    The RRS MPR-73 3/8ths mount plate/flange fits perfectly and has an adjustable vertical lip that secures the camera from rotation.


    http://reallyrightstuff.com/rrs/Item...3/8ths&eq=&Tp=

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Thanks, Graham. Another addition to my vast RRS collection.

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    As I want to rework a NOVOFLEX QPL-1 to give that quick coupling a "lipp" as described for the RRS above , I ordered an additional QPL-1 . What I received is this:
    Attachment 34828

    That is the new type . Please have a look to the two rubber inserts . They shall prevent a rotation .

    I will mount that coupling device tomorrow , but still I will rework the other one with a "lipp" and show an image soon .

    Jürgen

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Quote Originally Posted by jotloob View Post
    As I want to rework a NOVOFLEX QPL-1 to give that quick coupling a "lipp" as described for the RRS above , I ordered an additional QPL-1 . What I received is this:
    Attachment 34828

    That is the new type . Please have a look to the two rubber inserts . They shall prevent a rotation .

    I will mount that coupling device tomorrow , but still I will rework the other one with a "lipp" and show an image soon .

    Jürgen
    there is also that round camera plate from novoflex:

    it shipps with different screws and you can use 2 of the screws to prevent rotation.
    BTW: the spacing of the screws fits on Contax/Mamiya cameras.

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Yes Thomas

    I have seen all these coupling plates when I visited NOVOFLEX , but I do not like the size and the idea with the screws . The QPL-1 is the smallest and fits the ALPA12SWA perfectly . I have one plate with screws and they damage the paint or surface of the camera . That is what I do dislike .

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Graham,

    The RRS MPR-73 arrived today, and it's perfect. You can mount it in various ways, all of which have the lip positioned to prevent twist. Not that twist was a problem, but still, . . .

    Thanks for the heads up,

    Steve

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Hello,
    New member, first post. I'm about to dive into MF; the IQ backs have pushed me into Dante's Inferno. Looking at an Alpa STC w/ rt hand grip, and wondering about mounting. If I get two of the RRS MPR-73's, mount one on the bottom and the other on the side opposite the grip, will that work or just get in the way?

    I'm thinking it would work like an L-bracket. Allow me to rotate the camera to portrait without removing the back, and provide an easy mount for rise/fall with the STC.

    Dave

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Hi Dave welcome to the forum. I used the Alpa TC with the phase wakeup grip for the first time yesterday. I REALLY liked that grip especially as I was handholding it. Others with more experience can chime in here but something to consider.

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Dave,

    I don't think you can use a MPR-73 on the side of the STC; it'll interfere with shift movement to the left (the side where the plate is attached). I believe I saw a recommendation of an RRS PnS plate for the STC.* That's a narrow plate designed for narrow point and shoot cams.

    Graham will probably have more on this. He discovered the MPR-73.

    Steve

    * According to Jurgen, here http://forums.getdpi.com/forum/showp...6&postcount=25,

    "The ALPA people recommended to use the RRS BPNS. I had a look to that stuff but it does not convince me. What do you use to put the STC onto a tripod for vertical and horizontal use ? ? ? I would like to leave the gear permanently mounted, but that would obviously require different plates for the base and the grip side of the camera."

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    I just got the STC and also bought a couple of the RRS BPNS-S plates for it. It's small and adjustable with a lip so that it can fit perfectly. The plate is slightly narrower than the STC 'body') and you certainly could mount the 2nd plate on the side of the grip, although I actually decided not to in the end. If you aren't shooting handheld much though it wouldn't be too much of an impediment as it is small.

    Btw, you can't mount it opposite the grip because that's where the back slides out when you shift left. Unlike the Max which has all shifts within the body, the STC extends out on one side when shifted left although a right shift is accommodated since there is the grip on the right.

    The MPR-73 is WAY, WAY too big for the STC.

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Thanks for the replies. I'll get two BPNS-S plates and experiment. I could always add it when needed, but as Jurgen points out, that's a bit of a pain.

    I don't expect to shoot handheld much, and I do want to use rise.

    Dave

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Quote Originally Posted by jotloob View Post
    Attachment 34828

    That is the new type . Please have a look to the two rubber inserts . They shall prevent a rotation .
    My rework of the above shown QPL-1 for the STC body was successful .
    It turns out to be very very stable .
    I can not show an image yet , just because up to now , there was no time to take an image . I hope to do so tomorrow .
    But as a short description , I have reworked the plate to have two little bolts , which fit into the holes on the STC body . Have a look to your ALPA viewer and how the viewer is attached to either ALPA model . Then you know what I mean . A slight difference for the "base" plate and the plate for the handgrip side .

    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    I just got the STC and also bought a couple of the RRS BPNS-S plates for it. It's small and adjustable with a lip so that it can fit perfectly. The plate is slightly narrower than the STC 'body') and you certainly could mount the 2nd plate on the side of the grip, although I actually decided not to in the end. If you aren't shooting handheld much though it wouldn't be too much of an impediment as it is small.
    Btw, you can't mount it opposite the grip because that's where the back slides out when you shift left. Unlike the Max which has all shifts within the body, the STC extends out on one side when shifted left although a right shift is accommodated since there is the grip on the right.

    The MPR-73 is WAY, WAY too big for the STC.
    Graham
    Congratulations for your new ALPA , the STC . A great "little" camera .
    Perhaps we should have an "STC club" . As far as I can see , there are already about eight forum members who are hopefully happy owners of that new ALPA .

    Looking forward to show you my QRP solution with an image .
    Regards . Jürgen .
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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    I too have looked at the RRS plates, but I found the Kirk PZ-130 to be just perfect for the Alpa TC. You could probably mount one on the side as well, not obtrusive at all. It also has a lip that prevents twisting. Might work on the STC as well, but I think too small for a Max.

    Cheers, -Peter

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    RRS BPNS-S on the Alpa STC (excuse iPhone pics):

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Graham
    Very nice and small . Perhaps a little bit too small ? ? ?

    Here is my solution . Extremely solid , impossible to swing , and the screws can not loosen , as I use a starwasher with the screws .

    Attachment 40138

    Attachment 40139

    Attachment 40140


    The little bolts you see on the blue "thingies" (QPL-1) fit exactly into the STC body .

    I must admit , not as nice as Grahams solution , but extremely solid and safe . I don't mind the size of the QPL-1 but the color .
    I will leave the base plate permanently mounted , but as far as I see it now , will only mount the sidepiece when needed .
    Regards . Jürgen .
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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Wow - are our cameras really brothers? I see that my camera has number 0150760 and yours is 0150761

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Aaaaaaaaaaaah

    That definately calls for a drink .
    Regards . Jürgen .
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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    I'll buy you both one for all the help. Great stuff.

    I'll try Graham's RRS solution first. Jurgen, very creative and solid, but that BLUE!

    I sent RRS an email to see if they could do something specific for the STC. I'll let you know if anything comes of that...

    Dave
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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Quote Originally Posted by dchew View Post
    I'll try Graham's RRS solution first. Jurgen, very creative and solid, but that BLUE!
    Dave
    Yes you are right . That BLUE ! ! ! . I dislike it very much as well , but it is very solid . They don't produce it in black , otherwise I would have reworked at least ten pieces
    BTW , have you noticed , that the QPL-1 can be used in two ways ? The BLUE thingy is a square piece . That is what I like .
    Regards . Jürgen .
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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Quote Originally Posted by dchew View Post
    I'll buy you both one for all the help. Great stuff.
    I'll try Graham's RRS solution first. Jurgen, very creative and solid, but that BLUE!
    Dave
    Dave

    This blue color is part of NOVOFLEX's corporate identity .

    I had a phonecall with NOVOFLEX today . They will make the QPL-1 in black for me if I would take ten pieces . It would then cost 35€ instead of 30€ .

    They are very friendly people and open for any special wish .
    Regards . Jürgen .
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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    The RSS BPNS plate is certainly nice and small. However, the Kirk plate (PZ-130) gives a bit more lip and grip for the clamp. For the 35mm XL it should be just long enough to position the entrance-pupil over the rotation point on the RSS PCL-1 pano head.

    Cheers, -Peter

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    I also retried the MPR-73. If you move the horizontal bar to one of the middle stops then it too provides a very sturdy base, although longer than the Kirk plate. The Kirk looks to be a nice size for the TC and maybe even more so for the STC which is slightly thicker at the base.

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterL View Post
    The RSS BPNS plate is certainly nice and small. However, the Kirk plate (PZ-130) gives a bit more lip and grip for the clamp. For the 35mm XL it should be just long enough to position the entrance-pupil over the rotation point on the RSS PCL-1 pano head.
    Cheers, -Peter
    Peter

    That PZ-130 is exactly what I was looking for . It looks very nice and is black

    I have never heard of that brand . But it is not too late .
    I found a small company here which still has two on stock . At least , thats what it says on their home page . If so , they will be mine soon .
    Thanks for posting .
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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    You're welcome Jürgen, Kirk Enterprises is quite popular here in the US, maybe not a much as RRS, but they have good stuff as well. Btw, I have no connections to the company.

    It has worked well on my Alpa TC.

    Cheers, -Peter

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Yes Peter, thank you. I forgot all about Kirk. According to their websites, the PZ-130 is 25mm wide vs. 20mm for the BPNS.

    BTW I got nowhere with my email to RRS. Nice response and they took the time to check out the STC webpages, but they basically said too many projects, too little time.

    Ciao,
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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    I will get two PZ-130 QR plates by tomorrow . They were the last two in stock .
    So I was just lucky . I think , I will use the PZ-130 for the side position only , because that QR plate is smaller than the BLUE thingy and it will be much handier then .
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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    My rework to the ARCA QR plates for my ALPA12STC is finished since quite some time , but I had no images taken up to now .

    So the ugly blue bottom plate has gone now and is replaced by a rather small and elegant black ARCA plate .



    The side QR plate is made out of a bigger ARCA plate , which I cut in the middle . Out of one big plate , I got two small ones .




    To prevent the plate from unwanted twisting , I made two little pins per plate . These pins are inserted into the QR plate and then fit directly into the holes in the ALPA STC frame .
    Have a look to the detail images .







    The screwed on QR plates are absolutely very tight and can not twist . A very stable and elegant solution .
    Perfect for the FLIP-LOCK on my CUBE .

    If you are interested in more details , you can PM me .
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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Jurgen,

    Of course, you're planning to have the modified piece anodized, yes?

    Steve

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Y E S

    Gilbert , it will be anodized . I knew , you would ask that .
    But because of that one little piece , NOVOFLEX does not stop their BLUE process .
    It helps me a lot if I imagine that blank part is black .
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    Sorry Steve for mixing up the two parts of your name .
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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    I think I found a good solution: the RRS MC-L, which is an L plate, so you get a handgrip too. It fits the Alpa TC pretty well. When mounted, there is about 2mm or so gap on the L side.

    http://reallyrightstuff.com/ProductD...versal-L-Plate

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Interesting. I have one of those myself. I'll have to try it it!
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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Hi all -

    My TC is arriving soon, and I'm putting an order in with BH for the Mamiya 2x converter (see other thread).

    Was hoping to be able to add into the order something suitable for the TC, but it seems they don't list the PZ-130.

    Not really a fan of the blue Novoflex option, and was wondering what people's thoughts were on the Arca-Swiss options - either 32x32 or 32x48?

    Arca-Swiss Slidefix QR Camera Plate (32x32mm) 802260 B&H Photo

    or

    Arca-Swiss Slidefix QR Camera Plate (48x32mm) 802265 B&H Photo

    Kind regards,

    Gerald.

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    I use the RRS MPR 73 3/8: MPR-73 3/8ths: 73mm MPR 3/8th threaded - MPR-73-3/8ths

    It can be mounted to allow for nodal point mounting, is long enough to provide a good grip when hand held, and screws directly into the ALPA without an adapter. (See post 7, above [first recommended by the great Graham Welland].)

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Thanks Stephen - ideally I'm looking for something that they have in stock at BH that I can add to my existing order, but I'll certainly look into the RRS option.

    Kind regards,

    Gerald.

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Another vote for the MPR-73 from RRS. It's a perfect fit with no possible chance of rotation on pretty much any Alpa body. I use it on my STC and TC.
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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    I settled on the Kirk PZ-130. Basically because quite often I mount the camera on the grip side for rise/fall - I have the STC. The RRS BNS plate was a little too short for my taste in that position, and the MPR-73 is just too big for the grip side. Jeeze I sound like Goldilocks...

    I would use the nice big RRS MPR-73 on the bottom, but as most of you know RRS and Kirk have slightly different dovetail sizes. That becomes a problem on the Arca Cube (I hate adjusting that little wheel in the field). So in the end I put the Kirk plate in both positions.

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Quote Originally Posted by gerald.d View Post
    Hi all -

    My TC is arriving soon, and I'm putting an order in with BH for the Mamiya 2x converter (see other thread).

    Was hoping to be able to add into the order something suitable for the TC, but it seems they don't list the PZ-130.

    Not really a fan of the blue Novoflex option, and was wondering what people's thoughts were on the Arca-Swiss options - either 32x32 or 32x48?

    Arca-Swiss Slidefix QR Camera Plate (32x32mm) 802260 B&H Photo

    or

    Arca-Swiss Slidefix QR Camera Plate (48x32mm) 802265 B&H Photo

    Kind regards,

    Gerald.
    The 32x32 Slidefix plate works well for me. I used to use the Kirk PZ-130 on a RRS panohead with my TC, and it was/is certainly fine, but I prefer the slightly lower profile of the Arca Slidefix mount, I have a D4 head with this mount. I really like it. Two of those on the sides of the TC is just perfect. The Arca plate does not have the ridge to prevent twisting, but in practice it 's not a problem at all. For a 35XL or 24XL there is plenty of room to adjust for the nodal point (entrance pupil - actually is the correct point), might work for the 43/47XL as well - not sure about that. I'll try to post a picture when I get back home.

    Cheers, -Peter

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    Thanks Peter - that's good to hear.

    I'll go with the Slidefix since they have it at BH.

    Kind regards,

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    Gerald - look here - I think you will like it.

    Cheers, -Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterL View Post
    Gerald - look here - I think you will like it.

    Cheers, -Peter
    Thanks. Got mine now

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    I'm routing my sync cable through a slit in my modified QR-plate
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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    This is an old and somewhat ongoing thread, but I have a current question: What tripod mounting plate do people recommend for an Alpa SWA, mounting into a standard Arca/RRS dovetail head (Linhof 3D Micro with dovetail fitting)?

    I'm looking for a baseplate that won't rotate when fixed to the camera, obviously. The one Alpa makes for the SWA, with index/locking pins, only fits a Linhof Quickfix head. The new Alpa dovetail baseplates don't fit the SWA.

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    Re: Alpa tripod mounting plate

    Will the RRS BP-CS work? As I recall, this was discovered by Graham during a visit to RRS. He disappeared for a while, and returned with his new discovery.

    I have two on my STC. BP-CS multi-camera plate
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