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    Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Morning everyone thought I would pass along some important data after buying a 80 LS lens and the NEW Elinchrom Speed Skyport transmitter. Located here
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    As we all know the new Phase LS lenses go to 1/1600 in sync speed with the LS glass on the P40+,P65+ and I know some Leaf backs and Mamiya backs. Maybe Yair can give us those model numbers of Leaf for us. Now I have the P40+ back BUT my back can ONLY go as high as 1/800 right now and needs a hardware update because it is a older back/ New ones not the case and you can check this and go to very last page on about on the back and look for normal or extended . Extended is capable of 1/1600 normal is 1/800. But in this case it may not matter because i don't think the transmitter will go any higher than the speed I got from it with the LS glass. Now for the report I used my Elinchrom Quadra packs on half power just to make sure I had a very fast light output speed. Not sure of that number but I will check. Anyway with the sync CORD I can go straight to 1/800 with no issues and with the a P40+ with a extended back right to 1/1600. So not a issue and works as advertised in Phases case. Now with the Elinchrom Speed transmitter the best I can get before I started losing F stops was 1/400 even though it is rated at 1/250 for focal lenses. The Leaf lenses can squeeze it to 1/400 because of the different Leaf design.

    For some reason and I may have to go back and try this the Elinchrom was set to normal and that was what worked but would not work in speed mode on my DF. Not sure it would get anymore out of it but 1/400 is what I got. Now given the regular focal plane shutter i could only get 1/125th sync speed this got me somewhat excited because a 100 dollar item got me to 1/400.

    Now you know in the back of my mind I am thinking the new Vertical grip with the Profoto module for flash and can go right to 1/1600 with the extended backs which BTW almost all the new ones this is the case , my back was a very early version so may want to check yours for sure. So what does a Elinchrom user do here is the question. Can I get away with 1/400 or buy the Vertical grip and the Profoto module and go that route. Obviously I bring this up because I own Elinchrom so need to think about which route to take. I like the Vertical grip and may get that for sure but I may have to buy 3 modules for my three mono heads. Sure you can use the slave but with sometimes people around shooting off there P&S cams you are screwed.

    Anyway i thought I would report this because even in other systems outside Profoto lighting we have to address this module thing. But for users of Elinchrom this is not so bad but obviously does not take us to 1/1600 wirlessly.

    Now one reason I went Elinchrom was these skyports they are very small on top of your cam and you can control power and modeling lamps right from the transmitter. I hate giving that up
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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Let's keep our eye on Photokinia as some flash manufactures maybe addressing the NEW 1/1600 speed in there lighting packages and remotes more importantly
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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    I'm confused, you are losing too much light above 1/400th you are saying?

    I'm using the Speed at 1/800th on Hasselblad no problems. Both Ranger RX AS and Quadra RX.

    Is there something different about the Mamiya that makes them not sync properly between 400 and 800?

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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    I'm confused, you are losing too much light above 1/400th you are saying?

    Yes the light starts to fade out with Leaf lenses . If it was focal plane it would just cut it off

    I'm using the Speed at 1/800th on Hasselblad no problems. Both Ranger RX AS and Quadra RX.

    Is this with Skyports or cords?
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    The cords work fine it is the skyports that are the issue

    Is there something different about the Mamiya that makes them not sync properly between 400 and 800?

    Using a cord now with my back I can go right to 1/800 no issues with the newer P40+ backs right to 1/1600 with cord

    Our limitations is the Skyports and I just could not get it past 1/400
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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    BTW I could squeeze 1/500 but I lose about 3/4 of a stop. Leaf lenses I believe when syncing go from outside diameter in. Need confirm on this though
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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Side note for Phase users check your back for extended in the menu go to configuration scroll all they way and it either says DB LS normal or DB LS extended.
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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    That's interesting, for reference, i shot this with Hasselblad H3DII-31, HC35 lens, with Quadra;






    Both at around 1/750th, with no perceivable falloff.... in harsh mid-day sun, so that's rather odd. And i'm not even using them in speed mode. Maybe I'm doing something wrong myself... or just not noticing the slight falloff. I'll have to re-meter next time and pay attention to any inconsistencies.
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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Yes what was interesting is as the higher the sync speed got past 1/400 it got darker and darker and you can compensate by opening up. All this is wireless as the cord not a issue and want to make that clear.

    BTW nice captures

    Are you using wireless here or cords.
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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    All wireless. I may not be noticing lower than 1 stop loss. But anything higher and my meter would be WAY off. Interesting. We have a large shoot on the 26th, i'll have to keep a close eye out.

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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Quote Originally Posted by symbolphoto View Post
    I'm confused, you are losing too much light above 1/400th you are saying?

    I'm using the Speed at 1/800th on Hasselblad no problems. Both Ranger RX AS and Quadra RX.

    Is there something different about the Mamiya that makes them not sync properly between 400 and 800?
    You probably are experiencing what Guy is describing.

    Grab your camera and flashes and go to a dark room (so ambient light does not confuse your interpretation of the results). Keep the flash power and aperture/ISO the same and just shoot 1/400th and 1/800th. The 1/800th will likely be darker even though it should be identical. Now if you aren't metering with a light meter (e.g. you're using the histogram and LCD to determine flash exposure) and you're comparing similar shots with different shutter speeds you won't notice the effect - and it's not that you can't shoot at 1/800th (as your wonderful images show you can) it's just you're not seeing the full flash power you should be.

    Getting flash to sync at that speed through wireless transmitters is pretty challenging and most systems cannot do it (e.g. a PocketWizard Plus II falls off at 640 and is very underexposed at 800 relative to metering of the flash's output).

    Now I've not used the specific setup you're using. So it's possible that your system is capable of no-light-loss. If that's the case the forum would be very grateful for a quick test to show it because so many wireless flash sync systems cannot do so.

    For this reason I was very surprised the built in radio flash transmitter in the Phase One / Mamiya V-Grip Air is spec'd at 1/1600th wireless flash sync without any loss of light. In fact I'm still a bit skeptical and can't wait to get my hands on it and test it.

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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Yea if we where dealing with a focal shutter it would be very obvious as it cuts it off but the way a leaf shutter works it will just keep darkening until complete darkness shows. So we have to figure out the point you start loosing light. Pretty dang interesting how this works
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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    I did the other day a quick test (In a dark room) with a Ranger Quadra A (at full power) + H4D-40 + 100mm f/2.2 + skyports. No problem syncing at 1/800. But I found that from 1/125th to 1/500th you loose about a half of stop... from 1/125 to 1/800 you loose about a 2/3 of stop...

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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Is this with the older transmitters or the newer one.

    BTW I did not do this tethered and went more by the LCD screen. Sounds like I should do it again tethered and record it better
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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Well i wonder if it's a function of the speed alone? Or are we are hitting the duration of the flash at a different point?

    1. Is it the 'burn-in' of time that we are losing the power?
    2. Or is it the point in which we are hitting the duration of the flash isn't at full power yet?
    3. Both?

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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Is this with the older transmitters or the newer one.
    The older skyports.

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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Hello fellas

    My first post in the forum was a few months ago when I posted about this issue.

    I have a latest P40+ and use Elinchrom Rangers and Quadras, with Skyport (not Speed, yet) and Pocket Wizard Plus IIs, plus the LS leaf shutter lenses.

    Guy is right, the only way to get 1600th sync is with a cable. A standard Skyport or Plus II works to 400th sec. A PW Multimax set to "fast" works without any major loss to 640th sec, and a bit of a loss at 800th. Above that, it doesn't work.

    It's because of the encoding in the wireless, claims the tech boffins at Elinchrom and the bloke who invented Pocket Wizard who I contacted.

    Simply put, the transmitter has to encode the message, send it to the receiver which has to de-code it, then set the flash off. That coding-decoding bit causes the delay. Hence none will work properly.

    From what I understand, the Profoto, set to 'fast' works differently. At normal speeds it works just like the PW and Skyport. BUT at high sync speeds (for the built-in thing with the grip), it's constantly sending a signal to the receiver... so that all the encoding/decoding thing is already done... they are already "linked up", like a paired bluetooth phone sort of thing.

    So when the shutter is pressed, the signal to "go" is very quick, hence it can sync higher. The clue is that if the high-speed sync is enabled on the grip, then the battery life of the triggers is much reduced.

    Of course, I probably have it not 100% correct or technically right... but I believe I'm not far off and that's why Skyport Speed or anything else (like PW) won't sync higher.

    Go on techno types, shoot me down...

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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Actually sounds very reasonable thinking and be the last to argue on it. My back was shipped off today to mother ship for the hardware upgrade so when she returns i will see if it does anything but I know I will get 1/1600 now with at least the cord. I do agree the limitations on this are not the lens back or body but the remotes themselves.
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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Well i think what profoto has done with that grip is similar to what Elinchrom has attempted with the speed mode. I think that's why batteries drain faster and the Rx/Tx distance is reduced.

    Now i don't know all the tech hub-bub, but i think that's similar to the Speed mode in Elinchrom. Now does that explain why Guy is only getting about 1/400th? No, i'm not sure why that is...

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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    I'm inclinded to disagree and say it's not what Elinchrom have done with the Skyport Speed. That uses a faster decoding/ encoding thing... so it's not quite so "secure" and the distance it works at is reduced.

    The Profoto, I believe, is very different. It's constantly in "contact" with the receiver, so the "encoding" is already done. That's why it's much faster and why it gives a reduced battery life.

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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Quote Originally Posted by adamduckworth View Post
    I'm inclinded to disagree and say it's not what Elinchrom have done with the Skyport Speed.
    I guess i'm wondering how you can come to that conclusion? We have no contact with their engineers, and very often Elinchrom and Profoto copy each other in terms of features, and both coming out so close together, i wouldn't be surprised to find that's the case.

    I don't have any direct access with any of the engineers at Elinchrom, but i'll ask the USA rep if he can ask someone over there.

    I'm very curious on this aspect, only because i wonder where we go from here. Now that we've reduced the signals to just the bits we need to actually trigger and bypass the encoding/decoding, what's left to make it faster?

    I wonder if there is a higher frequency that we can go to for the next generation of products that will result in even faster sync times with no loss of light.

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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    The new Skyport Speed does NOT work at any higher sync speeds with LS lenses/cameras than its predecessor did. For now it seems that if we want 1/1600th sync wirelessly, the only solution is the newest Profoto AirSync unit (which incidentally only allows wireless synch to 1/1500th). http://www.profoto.com/products/prof...vices/air-sync

    The Skyport SPEED unit does allow for faster sync with FOCAL PLANE systems in newer DSLR's up to 1/250th where the prior unit was limited to 1/125th IIRC. Also, effective working range is DOUBLED over previous model when using SPEED mode. There is also some improvement for use with smaller P&S cameras: http://www.elinchrom.com/products.php
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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Jack,

    I'm on PWs, but picked up a cheap Cybersync set because of its claimed ability to trigger wirelessly up to 1/2500. Of course, I'm jumping the gun here because I have not even acquired any of the Phase LS lenses yet! We did not have enough time to test the Cybersync triggers at Capture Integration in Carmel.

    You wanna test Paul Buff's Cybersynch triggers on your Phase DF and LS lenses? I could drop it off to you....

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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    No RF engineer and know just enough to be dangerous, but the radio freq itself won't help (beyond avoiding interference), it comes down to reducing the latency within the "hey, the shutter was pressed", encode, transmit, "hey I have signal", receive, decode, close trigger circuit.

    Unfortunately radio triggers have gotten more feature-rich (power adjustment, modeling light on/off, etc) and depending how that is done (e.g. receiver having to look for different bit patterns to determine what it is being asked to do), it could also slow the process down vs just a simple fast trigger.

    I suspect it will come down to:

    -Reducing the latency in the electronics (faster processors/encodes/decoders), etc.
    -Reduce number of bits transmitted (less to process/interpret on both ends)
    -As Adam indicates, constant communication between Rcv and Trx so no 'wake up' (lack of better term) needed and (I'm guessing here) Rcv is simply looking for a bit to change within the signal to indicate 'trigger flash'
    -Don't know if any of the the units do any error-checking, but if so, reducing need for it and/or speeding it up.
    -Improvements in reaction and trigger times of flash units themselves
    - etc

    Will likely come down to an additive effect of shaving 1/1000th off here, another 1/750th of there, etc., and every manufacturer will approach it differently. Part of the priority they place on doing it will also be where their market lies.

    I suspect Profoto and Bron will consider it a higher priority given the markets they sell to and the fact they can better recoup the costs of a dual-personality radio system (fast or rich) and their price points vs Eli at what they charge for Skyport.

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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Quote Originally Posted by kdphotography View Post

    You wanna test Paul Buff's Cybersynch triggers on your Phase DF and LS lenses? I could drop it off to you....

    ken
    Absolutely, bring them by! However, bring your body and back too -- both of mine are off getting FW updates and the 1/1600th hardware upgrade... I have two LS lenses and a couple different packs we can sync to, but they're both Elinchroms so we'll need a sync adapter cord for the Buff units! (I have male mini phono to Elinchrom, not sure what the Buff's use?)
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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    I do know some of the people at Elinchrom and I believe the Speed was aimed at letting people with focal plane DSLRS achieve their maximum sync speed with Skyport, not anything for LS lenses.

    That's why the Profoto system was developed with Phase and thereofre is designed to work with it.

    I know Pocket Wizard, when the LS and 1/1600th flash sync came out, were unaware of it and the PW boss said it was unlikely their current PWs could be made to work that fast.

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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Absolutely, bring them by! However, bring your body and back too -- both of mine are off getting FW updates and the 1/1600th hardware upgrade... I have two LS lenses and a couple different packs we can sync to, but they're both Elinchroms so we'll need a sync adapter cord for the Buff units! (I have male mini phono to Elinchrom, not sure what the Buff's use?)
    Jack, The Cybersync uses a standard mini-phone male to whatever light connection---or for the Elinchrom's, a mini-phone male to mini-phone male.

    I have plenty of those....as well as miniphone male to standard phono male; miniphone to pc; miniphone to Household or H.

    We'll have to wait for your P65+ to get back from Denmark; I have not upgraded my DF or P65+ for the 1/1600 flash sync (only normal LS 1/800th) as I don't have any LS lenses yet and don't have a block of time yet to spare that I can be without the camera/back....

    It will be interesting if the Cybersync works with the higher flash sync, especially given their inexpensive price point. They do seem to work in normal studio application, but I'm not a fan and these have stayed in the box. It's probably my bias towards having used PWs for so long.

    Give a call when ready and we can coordinate...

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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Absolutely, bring them by! However, bring your body and back too -- both of mine are off getting FW updates and the 1/1600th hardware upgrade... I have two LS lenses and a couple different packs we can sync to, but they're both Elinchroms so we'll need a sync adapter cord for the Buff units! (I have male mini phono to Elinchrom, not sure what the Buff's use?)
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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Yeah, i agree. They maxed out at around 1/320th a second, so i think they probably were focused on the FP market.

    Now i have some other questions for some of you 'in-the-know'...

    1. Is it a matter of offsetting the trigger so that the T5 is caught at the right time with these faster shutter speeds?

    2. Or is it a function of the shutter just being too plain fast to pickup enough light, regardless of where it hits the flash duration?

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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Don't know if I'm "in the know' or not, but you could improve the amount of light passing through the shutter if you managed to offset the shutter release enough to hit the sweet spot of when the flash output curve peaks, but there would be a boatload of variables that, I THINK, would cause a lot of hair-pulling by the user.

    I suspect camera-to-camera, strobe-to-strobe and shot-to-shot (with same gear) exposure would vary due to manufacturing variances between camera bodies, differences between strobes and even shot-to-shot variances in real vs labeled shutter speeds.

    E.g. If a fixed offset was used to give the flash a 'head start', plus/minus even a minuscule amount in real vs set shutter speed between shots could cause +/- exposure issues as you missed that ideal sweet spot.

    I also wonder what effect it might have on variances in color temp as you're primarily capturing (or trying to capture) the strobe at it's peak output only (e.g. trying to cut-off or effectively minimize both tails of the light output curve.

    Interesting discussion.

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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post

    Interesting discussion.
    Agreed. I thought some wireless flash system use offsets, maybe PocketWizard? For HSS, i wonder if that'd have any affect on this issue?

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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    The PW TT_ uses offset, but have read of users seeing inconsistent results after choosing a timing offset - with the first shot apparently being problematic (no idea why).

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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    So what's the word with the grip? 1/1600th work yet? Is it in anyone's hands yet?

    I emailed Elinchrom, haven't heard back anything yet.

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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Wish it was in mine. My back should be home from Denmark today with new hardware update for 1/1600 and my DF should be home from NY with a new firmware update. I'm Phaseless at the moment waiting on Fed X
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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Hurry up FEDEX, inquiring minds want to know!

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    Well the back is here from Denmark but the body is not. Damn looks like tomorrow for the body and yes I AM inpatient. LOL
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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    I know what you mean, when i was waiting for the H3DII-31 in the mail, i was basically watching the seconds hand on my watch... tick tock..

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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Okay UPS showed up with Body, surprise. So NOW everything is in place to test which I will do 1st thing in morning and see if I can squeeze some more out of the wireless. Than i really need to get out and shoot the new 55mm LS and 80 LS. Im pretty excited about these lenses
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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Hmm pretty dang cool with a Metz 54 on the shoe I can go to 1/500 of a second at 1/2 power than faster I start losing light by about 1/3 to 1/2 by 1/1600. Now you may have to be careful with duration time and not go full power since it may cut off and that is the case just tried Full power and start losing light after 1/250 and looks like duration time is the issue. Okay that makes perfect sense . Let me try 1/4 power and basically the same as 1/2 at 1/250 is the brightest , 1/500 maybe 1/3 less, 1/800 looks like a 1/3rd and 1/1600 a 1/2 a stop for sure. Neat part is you could adjust at the 1/1600 and open up some. BTW I am reading the histo on the back and can see it go left as I increase the shutter speed. I'm actually packing for a gig but thought I would at least try it out. I could do more formal testing but not sure that would buy us anything. Real men just shoot. LOL

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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    End of the day on the Metz is the duration time is going to be the bigger issue as not enough power at the lower settings to be really useful in real world . But at least you can get a strong 1/500 at Full Power and only lose a touch power. Not sure about anyone else but with portables big deal it is the real meat we are after here. Bring on the big guns. LOL
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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Okay off to the Quadra at Full Power which this is a battery operated 400 watt system with CORD at 1/800 dead on the money at 1250 and 1600 I lose 1/2 of a stop . And even at the lower settings I am losing light. Now I do NOT have the A head which is a much faster head but the S standard head. Good news here at least 1/800 at full power is good with cord. Given that lets try the wireless at lower settings and just see where the wireless cuts off so we avoid the flash duration.

    Wireless with the new Elinchrom Speed transmitter i can safely go to 1/400th than it starts to cut off as before. Conclusion you can get 1/1600 with the Profoto setup and the Elinchrom 1/400. That is wireless. For CORD with any unit you use you need to have fast flash durations but yes folks it works.

    Here we go : with this special A speed head, you can freeze action at 1/6000 of a second. Looks like I want that head over the standard

    I will try my Monolights this week and their specs are Flash duration is an extremely fast 1/1558 sec. Okay need to lower power to increase flash duration on these

    Damn I may just have to get Profotos. Now I know why I hate testing. IT COST ME MONEY

    Well we learned one thing for sure it does work given fast enough flash duration at 1/1600 and we know the Elinchrom wireless is good at 1/400 which is not bad considering but we know from Phase that you can do wireless with the Profoto remotes which maybe the ultimate answer here.

    Not sure this helps anyone or just spends their money. Sorry folks I am not responsible. LOL
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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Thanks Guy! This is extremely interesting to me. So, just for clarity-sake...

    If you do shoot Elinchrom above 1/400th, the result is under or just over a stop of light depending on the settings? There is nothing obvious in the frame like FP shutters, correct?

    Damn, i wish you had an A head. I'll have to test this sometime... damned weddings are keeping us too busy to test.

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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    It really falls off after 1/400 . At this point it becomes the wireless itself it seems so nothing usable faster than 1/400. Coming from 1/125 it's actually pretty good for me and it does help, worst case pull the cord out. Obviously the Profoto solution is the best. And yes I need a A head and actually buying another complete setup is on my short list anyway. I use these quite a bit on location and if I had at least 1 A head it would serve me fine along with a S head. Just need to get some money for another setup. I've been on a bit on a spending spree Z1 ball head, 55 LS and 80 LS. Plus some Canon stuff and waiting for a 7D right now today. But after that I am sneaking out to head up to Jerome AZ and play with the ball head, 55 and 80. So hopefully I will have some reports on those products.
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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Cool. Great to know.

    7D is a different beast from the rest of the Canon line. Built really well and the autofocus, takes getting used to, but is rather dead-on in my testing.

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    Thanks I was using the T2 and it was not cutting it for me . Hit buffer a lot and AF was questionable while working but okay when processing. Just did not feel comfortable. 7D is much better I understand
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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    So in AZ, when using the Quadra do you ever come up against settings where the Quadra isn't quite cutting it in terms of power? We own a Ranger RX AS and a Quadra, for both scenarios. If it's a cloudy day, we take out the Quadra if it's really sunny, we take the Ranger RX AS.

    How do you handle really sunny days?

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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    I'm not in Arizona, but California... I get "sunny 11" from my Quadra at full power with the bare reflector at 10 feet... Since my sun is usually "sunny 16" and since I normally dial one under for flash fill, and since I'm usually at less than 8 feet, the Quadra is fine. I suspect your AZ sun is "sunny 22" so you are on the edge if the head has to be further than about 6 feet away from your subject...
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    Re: Special Report/Phase LS and Elinchrom Speed Transmitter

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    I'm not in Arizona, but California... I get "sunny 11" from my Quadra at full power with the bare reflector at 10 feet... Since my sun is usually "sunny 16" and since I normally dial one under for flash fill, and since I'm usually at less than 8 feet, the Quadra is fine. I suspect your AZ sun is "sunny 22" so you are on the edge if the head has to be further than about 6 feet away from your subject...
    Yeah we are typically 11 or higher on sunny days here. I have a feeling AZ is different More like the hordes of Australians on POTN. Btw, if you guys are regular Elinchrom users, large discussions going on on that forum:

    http://photography-on-the.net/forum/...splay.php?f=35

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