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    Cambo WRS and Lee RF75 Filter System

    I've had various success rates in using filters with the Cambo WRS1000 and Phase One P45+; some good and some I wish I had never tried. I stumbled on the Lee RF75 system by accident as I was doing research on my Leica M9 and like what I saw. Lee designed this system primarily for use on rangefinder and high end compact cameras. The filter holder is small as is the filters themselves; the holder attaches to the lens using adapter rings as small as 39mm to as large as 67mm. With the help of a step ring this system is perfect for the 72mm and 120mm Schneider lenses I use.

    I ordered the "RF75 Deluxe Set" consisting of the filter holder, clip-on Polarizer and three RF75 neutral density hard graduated filters (0.3ND, 0.6ND & 0.9ND). I also ordered 4 adapter rings (39,46,49 and 55) for my Leica lenses knowing one would also fit my Schneider 72 and 120mm lenses.













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    Re: Cambo WRS and Lee RF75 Filter System

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    Re: Cambo WRS and Lee RF75 Filter System

    Is there an advantage to using rectangular filters like this vs. just normal round ones, stepped up so that all lenses use the same size? (I only use pola and ND, no grads)

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    Re: Cambo WRS and Lee RF75 Filter System

    Note the use of Libby adapters.

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    Re: Cambo WRS and Lee RF75 Filter System

    Tim, The main reason I wanted to try this system was in order to use a Polarizer which is actually very easy. Hold it up to your eyes while turning it then while keeping it in the same position mount it on the ring adapter. I found a video on You Tube that shows/explains it much better. Other than that I've actually gotten away from using a lot of filters as I found I could do the tweaking in post.

    Not sure if there's any advantage of the using rectangle vs. round other than personal preference. Either way just make certain they're made of high quality materials.

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    I've put a little numbered scale around one side of my polarizer (1-10) and so I do the same thing as you - just rotate it until it looks good, then put on the lens and rotate to the same numbered position up. I've gone through several of the Cokin P and x-pro and other systems over the years and they always seem to take longer and use up more space in the pack and get dirty and scratched easily (I even have one of the really big Schneider 6" square polarizers that fits a holder I used for both the Mamiya 28mm and the Nikon 14-24 with no vignetting, and that setup is a monster!). It's all in the work flow that you get used to obviously, but I was just wondering if there was any optical advantage to using the big filters since so many folks seem to like them. I use my 77mm filters now even on the little 40.5mm Schneider lenses - the stepup ring actually acts as a lens shade, and I'm only using the sweet spot in the center of the B+W filter. I've been able to keep the same filter set for the last five or six camera systems, only having to add a stepup ring now and then. Your rig looks sweet of course!

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    Re: Cambo WRS and Lee RF75 Filter System

    I've lost count of the different filter systems I've tried; yesterday turned out to be the first fitting the Lee. The holder and filters are essentially made for rangefinder cameras that are by default small and I was actually surprised at the size of the holder (I'll try and get an image soon). The holder fits very well in the palm of my hand and the filters are all sized as well. The holder allows for stacking up to 2 filters as well as the Polarizer so it should make for an interesting experience.

    Size wise and apparent quality of the overall package should also work well next month in Jackson Hole. One filter system that I can use on both my Cambo WRS and M9; something I haven't had nor thought of before.

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    Re: Cambo WRS and Lee RF75 Filter System

    This should give you a better idea of the size of this system.





    Small size and very light weight.

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    Thanks for the heads up Don. I've been looking for a decent filter system to go with my Cambo WDS. Do you happen to know if this RF75 has the clearance to work with a Schneider 35XL Apo Digitar lens without causing vignetting?

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    Re: Cambo WRS and Lee RF75 Filter System

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Norton View Post
    Thanks for the heads up Don. I've been looking for a decent filter system to go with my Cambo WDS. Do you happen to know if this RF75 has the clearance to work with a Schneider 35XL Apo Digitar lens without causing vignetting?

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    I haven't tried this with the 35mm yet. Not too sure what size ring it would take but will try holding them up just to see. I hadn't thought of using this with the 35mm as I have a center filter ton it that never gets taken off.

    I'll try this out next week and report back either here or on my blog (or both)

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    Great stuff! Cheers!

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    This thread is more intense than watching PH HD or driving an Audi R8 convertible.
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    Hey Don,

    Did you ever get a chance to try the RF75 kit on the 35mmXL?

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    Re: Cambo WRS and Lee RF75 Filter System

    Just a friendly reminder to anyone using such filters on a tech camera...

    More glass (especially glass that has the potential to be "shone on" from the rear) increases the risk of flare and makes a good lens shade (and not forgetting to use it) more important. Also don't forget that lens flare can come from reflective/shiny surfaces other than the sun. So be mindful of hanging sunglasses, tripod legs, or very bright (relative to your scene) environmental surfaces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Norton View Post
    Hey Don,

    Did you ever get a chance to try the RF75 kit on the 35mmXL?
    Ben - The quick answer is no. The longer answer is I really don't think it'll work as I tried it yesterday(?) on my Leica 35 and got very slight vignete and that's a much smaller glass face. Based on that I'll try it here in Jackson Hole on the 72 and 120 and report.

    Just a side note - take a look at the Mormon Row Barn I posted in the MF images. That was taken with the 72mm and no filters. The color and light was perfect. I'll redo the PP once I return home.

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    Re: Cambo WRS and Lee RF75 Filter System

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpetersonci View Post
    Just a friendly reminder to anyone using such filters on a tech camera...

    More glass (especially glass that has the potential to be "shone on" from the rear) increases the risk of flare and makes a good lens shade (and not forgetting to use it) more important. Also don't forget that lens flare can come from reflective/shiny surfaces other than the sun. So be mindful of hanging sunglasses, tripod legs, or very bright (relative to your scene) environmental surfaces.
    Doug - as usual you are right. I like the minimal effect of keeping as much as I can off my lenses but since I'm trying this out on my M9 I thought I'd give it a try on the Cambo - the jury as they say is still out....
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    Re: Cambo WRS and Lee RF75 Filter System

    Don,

    This thread was awhile ago. Any luck on fitting a hood onto the holder??

    Thanks

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    Re: Cambo WRS and Lee RF75 Filter System

    Just returned from a brief shoot in Valley of the Gods and Comb Ridge area of UT and got to use the filters once again. I have found that they work great on my 72 and 120 Schneiders and will post some samples here just as soon as I get them worked up.

    On a side note regarding their use with the M9, I've found they work well with my 135, 90 and 50 however they begin to introduce some vignetting with the 35.

    I hope to be able to offer more information within a couple days.

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    Nice photos of your camera + filter! So does this require a ring to be screwed on to the lens similar to Cokin system? What's the long thing on the side?

    Do you not get vignetting on your wide lenses (is it the 43xl you have?)

    Cheers

    PS you should be the product photographer for Cambo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim2 View Post
    Nice photos of your camera + filter! So does this require a ring to be screwed on to the lens similar to Cokin system? What's the long thing on the side?

    Do you not get vignetting on your wide lenses (is it the 43xl you have?)

    Cheers

    PS you should be the product photographer for Cambo
    Jim, my widest lens is a 35mm followed by 72 then 120mm.

    The filter sits on a ring similar to that of a Cokin; I use a step ring in order to fit the system on my 72 and 120. That long (black) thing on the side is a cable extension which I keep attached to all my lenses as it's easier and faster to thread the cable release into it.
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    Here's couple of teaser images from the other day...



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    Nice to see you're out having fun! So is there any vignetting on the wide lenses when you're using the filter holder?

    As for the black thing.. I was referring to the one on the filter holder itself... does it have some kind of spring mechanism to attach the holder to the ring?

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    Re: Cambo WRS and Lee RF75 Filter System

    The filter system normally consists of a two-part system; the ring adaptor that screws onto the lens and the filter holder which snaps onto the adaptor and held in place with a spring tension. I say "normally" as Lee designed this for rangefinder camera systems and not for a tech camera where the lens is smaller, I use a step ring to fit in-between the lens and filter adaptor.

    Robert White has a video describing how this system fits on a rangefinder.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mytVf6Oz0UQ

    Once again, I've not used this on my 35mm Schneider as I don't have an adapter large enough and sing as how it introduced vignetting on my 35mm Leica M9 I felt it would do the same w/MF. I'm very pleased with my results to date with the 72 and 120 MF and 50, 70, 135 Leica M9 with no vignetting on any of those lenses.
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    Re: Cambo WRS and Lee RF75 Filter System

    Hi Don,

    Appreciate if you have info of following:

    Quote Originally Posted by Anders_HK View Post
    Don,

    This thread was awhile ago. Any luck on fitting a hood onto the holder??

    Thanks

    Regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Libby View Post
    Once again, I've not used this on my 35mm Schneider as I don't have an adapter large enough and sing as how it introduced vignetting on my 35mm Leica M9 I felt it would do the same w/MF. I'm very pleased with my results to date with the 72 and 120 MF and 50, 70, 135 Leica M9 with no vignetting on any of those lenses.
    A MF sensor is larger and with different flange focal distance. Is it thus not that same focal on M9 is not direct comparable to MF sensor? A comparable focal to the 35mm lens on M9 would coincidentally on a 48x36mm sensor be about 50mm.

    About the 50, do you get vignetting with shifts/rise and with what amount of shift/rise?

    Thanks!

    Regards
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    Anders,

    Sorry for not responding to your question. No I've had no luck fitting a hood onto the holder. There also doesn't appear to be any place for a hood to be attached without it being way too large and thus defeating the purpose of keeping the system's footprint small, lightweight and easy to use.

    Regarding vignetting:

    Medium Format usage: I have 3-lens for my WRS; 35mm which I have never attempted to use w/the filter system as I keep a center filter on at all times and don't want to start removing and replacing it. I have used this system on my 72 and 120mm lenses with success when shooting with movements.

    35mm usage: I have 5-lenses for my M9; 24, 35, 50, 90, and 135mm. I attempted to use the filters on the 35 and found I got vignetting, based on that I haven't attempted to use it on the 24. I've used the filters on the 50, 90 and 135 and am very pleased with what I achieved.

    Again, Lee designed this system primarily for a rangefinder camera system where the camera and lenses are small and lightweight. I felt that if it would work on a rangefinder why not try it on a tech camera. I wasn't able to find adaptor rings in the same size as the lenses of my 72 and 120 so I use step rings to make it large enough for the adaptor ring.

    Another reason I haven't attempted to use the filter system on the Schneider 35mm was that based on the outcome of my results with the Leica 35 and vignetting.

    The only movements I use are with the Cambo WRS thus the only experience in movements with this filter system remain with the 2-lenses list above.

    I hope this answers your questions as I'm writing this without any coffee in my system this morning.

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