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    Out for a Drive 55mm LS, 80mm LS and Z1 ballhead

    Finally got a chance to get out of the office for a glorious 8 hours by myself away from a very busy 8 months with a lot of personal stuff going on. It felt great to get in my new Touareg and drive with some new toys. Z1 ballhead, Phase 55mm LS and 80 LS and even along for the ride was a new 7d. Anyway this is just a ongoing little mini review that I will start today and have a lot to add but first I have a gig this morning to do first but here is just a sample image. Now normally I would not even get out of a car in this light but I honestly forced myself to shoot. Nothing worse than Arizona sun midday with not a cloud in the sky. Rather take a nap than shoot in these conditions but I'm not after art here but wanted to see what each piece of gear brought to the table.

    Have to say right from the start I am impressed with the Z1 ballhead as I can eliminate my L brackets which add bulk and weight. Reason is I can actually go vertical with the Z1 without creeping , slipping and all the bad things that can happen. At a class of 130 pounds of weight it can handle this thing is a rock and nothing will move it even a Phase DF with a 150 or longer on it. So pretty excited about this new head. I replaced the top plate with the double lever clamp since these are the most secure clamps I ever used. I will NEVER EVER by a screw down clamp again at least not RRS pano clamps. In the past I almost lost 3 times body , back and lens to falling off the tripod due to a loosening of the clamp. I caught it 3 times as well and to say i am lucky I did is a understatement. Never again i am fully double lever clamp forever camp. Arca makes the best lever clamp I have used. Strong statement

    Here is a image of that clamp. Run don't walk to any store and replace that screw down. I know I know but after losing almost 25k to the dirt 3 times i feel pretty strongly about this.

    Here is a image of the Z1 and also the plate I use
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    I've always agreed on the lever vs. screw clamp Guy - not only does the screw take longer (x2 for every setup), but you just never know when it is tight or not - with a lever there is no question. I've been using levers for many years, and in fact have a drawer full of the screw ones that have come on various heads. I've always used RRS levers (never had an issue while hauling through thick brush as many folks worry about), but also agree that the Arca lever seems to be even better. Congrats on your new setup (head, wheels, and glass), and I wish you many more days away from it all...

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    This one may take awhile since i have quite a few images and mostly shot the 55mm 90 percent of the time. I'm just going to say this any P65 shooter out there should get this lens period. All day long I wanted to shoot it Full Frame as doing urban stuff like this it just fit the frame perfectly. On the P40+ it's a touch long but I still have plenty of use for it and even long I really really like it so far. It has a nice look to it and at F4 the corners look great and for the P65 folks at 5.6 you should have very sharp corners. At 2.8 this lens has a nice dreamy look to it which I like and at 2.8 i don't want sharp corners but at center it is sharp wide open. On the F40+ at F4 it really starts to come into it's own as sharp all the way through the image. Now past that it is one sharp lens but with a nice look at any aperture which i really like. I like the look of these Schneiders and will have all of them at some point but first IF there is a new 35mm I will get that and on my very short list. I have a 28,55mm gap that needs to be filled. Oh joy more money.

    Anyway here is just a sample shot at F8

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    Re: Out for a Drive 55mm LS, 80mm LS and Z1 ballhead

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Ernst View Post
    I've always agreed on the lever vs. screw clamp Guy - not only does the screw take longer (x2 for every setup), but you just never know when it is tight or not - with a lever there is no question. I've been using levers for many years, and in fact have a drawer full of the screw ones that have come on various heads. I've always used RRS levers (never had an issue while hauling through thick brush as many folks worry about), but also agree that the Arca lever seems to be even better. Congrats on your new setup (head, wheels, and glass), and I wish you many more days away from it all...
    Thanks Tim and we should note that it is a double safety release . So if by chance which won't happen the first release accidentally happens the setup will NOT come off until you release the second section. It's a PITA but the safest thing out there for sure and it will be forever my preferred choice.
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    Re: Out for a Drive 55mm LS, 80mm LS and Z1 ballhead

    Just for the record as straight as I could hold it yes this is handheld at 2.8. Idid not run a brick wall test with tripod but I did do two series of brick walls and I can tell pretty well at F4 it is great in the corners. But this was not meant to be overly technical shooting or I would have pulled the tripod out . Really just wanted to see how good and I like it

    wide open and yes at 2.8 it does go a shade darker than F4 and beyond. Never meet a lens that was not exactly like this.



    Here it is at F4. No exposure adjustment made

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    Sorry to disagree ... hate the lever type QR lever ... HATE them. Gets just a tad out of adjustment or gets some dirt/grit in it and it takes forever for the safety button to release. Plus, if the lever release is in an awkward place to reach ... it takes forever plus a day to release. Had two of them from Arca and hated them then, and hate them now ...

    LOVE the big fat knob on the RRS QR plate. They reco'ed it over the lever release when I got their Mono Pod head, and they were right.

    Speed? No problem ... I'm doing tons of camera swaps during a wedding where speed is essential and can change using the fat RRS knob just as fast as any lever QR I've used to date.

    Don't know when it's tight? You're kidding, right? Lock that pup down and it's like it's epoxied to the head. LOVE it!

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    Re: Out for a Drive 55mm LS, 80mm LS and Z1 ballhead

    Leave you with one at 2.8 focused on the upper window pretty much center. Check in later off to a gig.

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    Re: Out for a Drive 55mm LS, 80mm LS and Z1 ballhead

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Sorry to disagree ... hate the lever type QR lever ... HATE them. Gets just a tad out of adjustment or gets some dirt/grit in it and it takes forever for the safety button to release. Plus, if the lever release is in an awkward place to reach ... it takes forever plus a day to release. Had two of them from Arca and hated them then, and hate them now ...

    LOVE the big fat knob on the RRS QR plate. They reco'ed it over the lever release when I got their Mono Pod head, and they were right.

    Speed? No problem ... I'm doing tons of camera swaps during a wedding where speed is essential and can change using the fat RRS knob just as fast as any lever QR I've used to date.

    Don't know when it's tight? You're kidding, right? Lock that pup down and it's like it's epoxied to the head. LOVE it!

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    LOL okay my issue was with the RRS pano clamp which actually loosened up. Never had the ARCA screw down so it could be better and probably is. Just to clarify and your right the lever clamp is a PITA to work with but you get used to it and I feel safer


    I just won't buy RRS stuff anymore when it comes to screw down clamps. I'm not going to drop 25k on the floor
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    Boy, that's razor sharp at f2.8 in the middle ... certainly has a different look than the mamiya lenses I used in the past with the P45+. I can't put my finger on it, but the these lenses have a different look to them (a good one).

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    Yup totally agree Kurt they do have a different look. It's subtle but nice
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    Re: Out for a Drive 55mm LS, 80mm LS and Z1 ballhead

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Run don't walk to any store and replace that screw down.
    Guy, you didn't need to go to all the trouble to replace the clamp on the head - just get a Cube, the double locking lever clamp comes standard with it!


    Looking forward to reading more as you post.

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    Charlie beat me to it!
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    I was waiting for the cube comment. I'm also waiting for Kevin Raber from Phase One and Dave Gallagher to just get a P65 and end the misery with a long 55mm on my P40. Ah the pain of it all. LOL

    Okay go to work Guy make money. You guys are killing me. LOL

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    Re: Out for a Drive 55mm LS, 80mm LS and Z1 ballhead

    Hey Bud, that lens looks like crap on your P40+. You should trash it -- just go ahead and ship it to me now -- and then get yourself something wider like the new 35.


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    Re: Out for a Drive 55mm LS, 80mm LS and Z1 ballhead

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Hey Bud, that lens looks like crap on your P40+. You should trash it -- just go ahead and ship it to me now --


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    Re: Out for a Drive 55mm LS, 80mm LS and Z1 ballhead

    replaced my arca clamp on my cube with the RRS screw clamp. I'm with Marc.

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    I also was impressed with the image quality of my 80mm LS but i traded my DF for another cameraset and cannot use my 80mm LS on my other camera. The LS works great and i did not had to think about when to use it or not. Image rendering is more like my old Zeiss 110 F2 on my Hasselblad.

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    Re: Out for a Drive 55mm LS, 80mm LS and Z1 ballhead

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I was waiting for the cube comment. I'm also waiting for Kevin Raber from Phase One and Dave Gallagher to just get a P65 and end the misery with a long 55mm on my P40. Ah the pain of it all. LOL

    Okay go to work Guy make money. You guys are killing me. LOL

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    Thanks for the invite! Where were you seems like I should know the area...

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    Re: Out for a Drive 55mm LS, 80mm LS and Z1 ballhead

    Well I shot a lot of Leica's in my day and you guessed it my favorites where the Sumiluxes in both R and M and have to say this is the best i have seen in MF to that wide open look. BTW I am in Jerome Arizona a old copper mining town. Next AZ workshop we can add this place.

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    Just FYI I am doing nothing to these files. No WB and all at ISO 100 P40+ in C1. I love this sensor a lot. My hope is a little bigger back like a 50 mpx and not for the MPX but for the cropping. I really liked the P25 and P45 crop size. The P40 I really like but ifit was a touch bigger it would really make my day but I am very happy and these LS lenses i like the look I am seeing so far. Now the Mamiya lenses are no slouch love all the ones I have or had these just have a touch warmer glow to them and I like the color tonal range on it. This also helps keep me out of tech cam land which I want but I like the flexibility of a DSLR style body. I shoot way to many different things for tech cam alone. I think I do need a 35mm lens though, I am a wide angle freak.
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    Now as we know we don't always shoot wide open and client work it is extremely rare for me to do so . With that said lets move into more stop down images. The nice thing is even 4.5 will knock you out. I even have moire in this one as that is most likely my focus point.

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    Scary sharp. You should see the full res.
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    Nice bokeh and separation ... Hhmmmm. Does The DF have auto ISO (Seems silly to some but I like to not have to think about switching back and forth for event photos)?

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    Guy
    congrats on the new toys and day to yourself.
    if I remember correctly you used the Arca P0 or P1 for a while.
    How do they compare to the Z1 and what made you switch over to the Z1?
    any pros/cons of each set?
    Thank you in advance
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    6.3

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    Guy - I agree, Jerome is a great place to shoot especially with Sedona just a short drive away. Going to Jerome is like taking a time machine.

    Great images too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by arashm View Post
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    congrats on the new toys and day to yourself.
    if I remember correctly you used the Arca P0 or P1 for a while.
    How do they compare to the Z1 and what made you switch over to the Z1?
    any pros/cons of each set?
    Thank you in advance
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    I had the P1 and it did not have a slot in it for going vertical or pointing straight down. Now after I sold it I got a note from Arca they had a attachment that it would do that. Bummer it was a nice head but the Z1 is stronger with a weight limit of 130 lbs versus 56 lbs I believe so in the long run I think the Z is the better head and so far it seems that way but I am also carrying a lot of weight on it so for MF folks maybe the better choice although the P1 handled it pretty darn nice. One feature of the P1 was the turn knob was around the diameter of the head which was very handy
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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtKamka View Post
    Nice bokeh and separation ... Hhmmmm. Does The DF have auto ISO (Seems silly to some but I like to not have to think about switching back and forth for event photos)?
    No Kurt no auto ISO although I would imagine it could just be a firmware thing too. Also we are all waiting to here what Phase has up it's sleeve and Hassy as well. Not to mention others , be interesting to see if this Photokinia is the revolutionary one we are all hoping for or just adding some makeup. We all want bigger LCD and IPhone/Ipad tethering as well plus other goodies. Looking forward to next week
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    Re: Out for a Drive 55mm LS, 80mm LS and Z1 ballhead

    Both of these are 5.6 . I think I am guilty of not going lower than 6.3 was having fun shooting this near more wide open. F11 is going to be scary. LOL





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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Hey Bud, that lens looks like crap on your P40+. You should trash it -- just go ahead and ship it to me now -- and then get yourself something wider like the new 35.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Don't forget at a hefty discount for wear and tear.
    Well of course... It IS used after all...


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    Re: Out for a Drive 55mm LS, 80mm LS and Z1 ballhead

    Just getting broken in.

    Couple more this is at minimum focus at 4.5




    5.6



    5.6 again

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    Re: Out for a Drive 55mm LS, 80mm LS and Z1 ballhead

    Well not sure about anyone else but I'm convinced this is a outstanding lens and certainly a keeper. Hope they make a 35 in Schneider and it don't have to have a leaf shutter either. 2 in the bag is great for me. I actually used the 55mm today outside with my quadra and was shooting at 1/400 sync or the best my transmitter would give me and looked very nice indeed. I can't post those images though since it is government equipment.
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    Re: Out for a Drive 55mm LS, 80mm LS and Z1 ballhead

    I don't have many 80mm shots but the look is very similar and also very sharp. Will do those tomorrow.
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    Re: Out for a Drive 55mm LS, 80mm LS and Z1 ballhead

    This is Watson Lake between Prescott and Jerome

    This image is the 80 LS lens at F8

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    These are both the 80 LS at F16. Not sure why I got out of the car the lighting is garbage but gives you a idea of the lens



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    Re: Out for a Drive 55mm LS, 80mm LS and Z1 ballhead

    That's about it and the 7D is basically mindless shooting. It will even tie your shoes. Nice but there is no challenge for me. Sorry canon folks but these things just don't get my jets rolling in the morning. But it is a nice cam and can do quite a bit. For me it is backup and for stuff I don't want to bring the Phase otherwise the Phase can do it's job in sensor plus mode.
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    I did order the latest announced 35d lens from CI so hopefully that will jit the streets soon.
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    Okay click the link above. Than click on a thumbnail that you would like to see and to see it 3000 pixels wide click the main image again. Try it you'll like it
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    The last two pics of water and rocks look so peaceful, love them..

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