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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    Very interesting . I have downloaded the PDF and will have a detailed look .
    Hopefully we will see a webpage soon as well .
    Regards . Jürgen .
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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    The new D4 head sure sounds interesting!

    I am still not sure I understand what the change for the RM3D*i* was over the predecessor RM3D?
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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    I so wish they had a website

    Alpa
    Sinar and
    Arca

    so good to see three companies which still do high quality engineering.

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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    "I am still not sure I understand what the change for the RM3D*i* was over the predecessor RM3D?"

    same here, not a real clue

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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    Sure does Jack. The RM2D does as well. Need to read more on it
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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    Maybe Martin can answer some questions when he gets a moment from the show
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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    The picture of the Rm2d look closer to the Rm3d than the Rm3di. The Rm3di looks like the front is made from several pieces and is not solid. Is it because the sensor (distance module -not image sensor) is built in? Look at the dot on upper right of the body. Does it allow swing or instead of the lens making the tilt the whole board moves?

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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    the i can tilt in both axes... by turning the front lens board 90°...
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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    you mean tilt ?

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    oups, yes tilt !

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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    Okay, I get it. The entire tilt ASSEMBLY, not just the lensboard can be turned 90 degrees inside the camera frame to impart swing (that's what they call sideways tilts, so the use of the term tilt was confusing me) when needed. As opposed to having to rotate the camera 90 degrees one way, and the back 90 the other to get there with the current camera.

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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Makes some sense.
    similar to the design on the arTec ... though on the arTec you can freely rotate the lens board so that you can use tilt&swing at the same time.

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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    I would also like to know what, if anything, differentiates the RL3D from the Rm3D other than size.

    For info on the web go to arca-shop.de
    They have very detailed info and many images.
    Once you are on a product page click on details, and then in the description you must click on the fig.xx to open the images. For the Rm3D there is a lengthy description and numerous images.

    Here is a link: http://www.arca-shop.de/


    P.S. Thank you Communication Arca-Swiss!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmb_ View Post
    P.S. Thank you Communication Arca-Swiss!
    I agree - great to have Arca-Swiss representation here. I'd love to see a full product catalog if such a thing exists or web site. There aren't that many full dealers where you can look at some of the gear such as the various heads, plates & cameras in person so we have to rely on folks like the Arca-shop to find information (vs B&H etc).

    The D4 looks intriguing as an alternative to a traditional ballhead. I'm sure that after Guy/Jack and the other folks here have all tried one (We all know that they will ) I might be in the market for one to round out my Cube, B1G, B1, & P1 Arca-Swiss head herd. And I thought camera bags were thing we all end up with too many of.

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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    Really like to try the D4. Looks very interesting
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    I agree - great to have Arca-Swiss representation here. I'd love to see a full product catalog if such a thing exists or web site. There aren't that many full dealers where you can look at some of the gear such as the various heads, plates & cameras in person so we have to rely on folks like the Arca-shop to find information (vs B&H etc).

    The D4 looks intriguing as an alternative to a traditional ballhead. I'm sure that after Guy/Jack and the other folks here have all tried one (We all know that they will ) I might be in the market for one to round out my Cube, B1G, B1, & P1 Arca-Swiss head herd. And I thought camera bags were thing we all end up with too many of.
    Put me down for a D4 at least.
    Can't have too many tripod heads
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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    Good a guinea pig right in my back yard sort of. LOL

    We want that for the workshop
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Good a guinea pig right in my back yard sort of. LOL

    We want that for the workshop
    Dear Mssr communication ARCA-SWISS:
    Is there any way we can get a D4 delivered before the end of this month?
    thanks
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    I agree Bob if Arca can get us a demo for the workshop I am sure all of the participants would be interested in seeing and working with these products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmb_ View Post
    I would also like to know what, if anything, differentiates the RL3D from the Rm3D other than size.
    RL3D: up to 4x5 format
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    Horizontal Shift: +20mm / -20mm
    Vertical Shift: +10mm / -40mm
    Tilt OR Swing: +/- 5 degrees
    Weight: 1.45 kg

    RM3D: up to 6x9 format
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    Horizontal Shift: +15mm / -15mm
    Vertical Shift: +30mm / -10mm
    Tilt (only): +/- 5 degrees
    Weight: 1.05 kg

    RM3Di, Same as RM3D except:
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    Tilt OR Swing: +/- 5 degrees

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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    David,
    Does the Rm3d continue to exist side by side with the i version?
    Has pricing/availability been announced on the new models?

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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    David - Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    David,
    Does the Rm3d continue to exist side by side with the i version?
    Has pricing/availability been announced on the new models?
    As far as I know, the Rm3d has not been discontinued and will exist as an option along with the i version.

    Pricing is available and should be circulated to the dealers within the week. I do not know any of the shipping dates yet.

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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    Is the only difference between the two the ability to use swing? What is the round spot upper right. Looks like something plugs in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Is the only difference between the two the ability to use swing? What is the round spot upper right. Looks like something plugs in there.
    My guess is it is an electronic rotation encoder for the focusing mechanism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Is the only difference between the two the ability to use swing? What is the round spot upper right. Looks like something plugs in there.
    Yes, the only functional difference is that the front lens mount is not fixed and can be rotated to transform the tilt movement into a swing movement.

    The "round spot" is the connector for the optional E-module. The same connector is found on top of the Rm3d.

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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    Thanks David.

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    Thanks for the link to the shop CMB

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    I actually like the idea of the RM2D with just the rise and fall with the option to stitch. What I was wondering though to stitch you need to lay it on it's side so is there some type of attachment to take the grip off and add a tripod set up. Be nice to just release from clamp flip to it's side for stitching and rotate your back to do a nice horizontal stitch. The rise and fall would be more important to me but a easy way to do a stitch and a good price may just push me over the edge plus the small size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I actually like the idea of the RM2D with just the rise and fall with the option to stitch. What I was wondering though to stitch you need to lay it on it's side so is there some type of attachment to take the grip off and add a tripod set up. Be nice to just release from clamp flip to it's side for stitching and rotate your back to do a nice horizontal stitch. The rise and fall would be more important to me but a easy way to do a stitch and a good price may just push me over the edge plus the small size.
    The Rm2d has both vertical and horizontal movements in the rear. For comparison with my post above:

    RM2D: up to 6x9 format
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    Horizontal Shift: +15mm / -15mm
    Vertical Shift: +20mm / -10mm
    Tilt OR Swing: No lens movements
    Weight: 0.7 kg

    Basically, in comparison to the Rm3d, the size of the Rm2d was reduced in the vertical by reducing its vertical movement (10mm less), but it was NOT reduced in the horizontal. The size savings in the horizontal was reduced by eliminating the option for an E-module with the Rm2d.

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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    It doesn't look like there is a knob to turn for the shift on the Rm2D- do you have a back view of camera?

    Edit: and the PDF only talks about vertical rise/fall not horizontal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Klepacki View Post
    The Rm2d has both vertical and horizontal movements in the rear. For comparison with my post above:

    RM2D: up to 6x9 format
    ===============
    Horizontal Shift: +15mm / -15mm
    Vertical Shift: +20mm / -10mm
    Tilt OR Swing: No lens movements
    Weight: 0.7 kg

    Basically, in comparison to the Rm3d, the size of the Rm2d was reduced in the vertical by reducing its vertical movement (10mm less), but it was NOT reduced in the horizontal. The size savings in the horizontal was reduced by eliminating the option for an E-module with the Rm2d.

    Awesome David I completely missed that than. You made my day thanks. So basically the limitation from the RM3D is obviously Tilt and just some vertical movement which may not be so bad actually. That is pretty good. Now hopefully the price is within range for me
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    There was already two versions of RM3D... the first one was smaller than the RM3Di, while the second one (mine) is basically an Rm3Di without the option to turn the frond to change the tilt axe.
    They increase the RM3D for stitching reasons...

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    Man do we need to see more images on the RM2d than . Anything on the back side
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    It would have been nice (Arca-Swiss are you listening) if both handles were made the same with rail mounts so turning it on its side were easier without moving the center of gravity so far off in a tripod mounted situation. This would be good for the RM3d but even more so for the RM2d.
    Come to think about it, rail mounts on all sides would allow orientation any way you want with corresponding finder position to match. Of course if it had both tilts AND swings, the mounts would be fine as-is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Awesome David I completely missed that than. You made my day thanks. So basically the limitation from the RM3D is obviously Tilt and just some vertical movement which may not be so bad actually. That is pretty good. Now hopefully the price is within range for me
    The other limitation of the Rm2d is that you cannot add the E-module to it. You may not need this, but if you are shooting around people you should strongly consider this option. I have seen people fired on the spot for being too liberal with their use of a laser, which of course could blind someone.

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    On the Rm2D the lateral movements are not geared, only the vertical movements.
    It's a real beauty!
    Looking at the entire line of Arca cameras starting with the Rm2D over the M-Line to the F-line I think the integration of this system is really great. You can use many parts and items on any of the cameras.

    The new 4D head is very nice! Relatively small, very lightweight and it provides very smooth adjustments.
    Arca has introduced a new - smaller! - mount. So be careful to order these items with the old Arca Swiss mount (which is still possible) ... unless you want to use the new camera plates.

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    This was one of the parts of today that really surprised me.

    Partly due to the lack of website and partly because I felt less "access" to Arca Swiss than Cambo (where we've got a very strong working relationship with Rene Rook) I had not learned the Arca Swiss system as well as Cambo.

    I must say I was very impressed with the RM3Di and the overall Arca technical body system. I will get detailed replies to all the questions here soon. However, I believe some of the information is incorrect - I'll confirm before I put any down to avoid any further confusion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dougpetersonci View Post
    This was one of the parts of today that really surprised me.
    to me it's clearly the most thought-out sytem (if you look at the entire system, not only one particular camera) and the bulit quality is exceptional (and I absolutely don't see any advantage for Alpa here... rather the opposite).
    I do like all these cameras (Arca, Cambo, Alpa...) a lot and it's really interessting to see them side by side as there are a lot of little details that are different. I am still finding the Cambo WRS a really clever camera that offers a good many workflow comforts the other cameras are missing. And of course it's also a very well made camera providing high accuracy (only the finish of the Cambos is maybe not so impressive... but that has nothing to do with its capabilities. Then again Cambo showed a special edition of the WRS with a leather front and dark wood handles ...).
    But looking at system integration Arca really stands out ... IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Klepacki View Post
    The size savings in the horizontal was reduced by eliminating the option for an E-module with the Rm2d.
    ?

    The model at the booth seems to have both the physical ability and the electronic port for the emodule:


    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    It doesn't look like there is a knob to turn for the shift on the Rm2D- do you have a back view of camera?
    Edit: and the PDF only talks about vertical rise/fall not horizontal.
    Quote Originally Posted by David Klepacki View Post
    The other limitation of the Rm2d is that you cannot add the E-module to it.
    As clarified above there is no KNOB but the same range of horizontal movement.

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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    Doug,

    Thanks for clarifying. I knew that the horizontal movement was still there, but it is great news that the E-module can be used with the Rm2d. Thanks,

    David

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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    Is there already a price and a delivery time known for the geared d4 head ?
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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    perhaps this is a rather stupid question as it relates to a purely aesthetic thing:

    in the arca pdf file it says on page 3:

    "handgrips 3 type"

    does this mean that there will be an alternative to the yellow grips or does this refer to variants of the vertical grip?

    and one more question: is there any information on the pricing of the rm3di?

    -- chris

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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by jotloob View Post
    Is there already a price and a delivery time known for the geared d4 head ?
    LuLa - on the Photokina blog has December delivery on the D4 and the price was listed at about $600 euros so it isn't very clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    LuLa - on the Photokina blog has December delivery on the D4 and the price was listed at about $600 euros so it isn't very clear.
    Thanks Terry .
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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    The D4 head sounds very interesting to me.
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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    My bet is 995 US money. End of year let's hope but it does look very interesting for sure. My one concern is watching it does not get damaged with transport, lot's of knobs and gears. Maybe get a head cover for it would be wise.

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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    My bet is 995 US money. End of year let's hope but it does look very interesting for sure. My one concern is watching it does not get damaged with transport, lot's of knobs and gears. Maybe get a head cover for it would be wise.

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    I use the OPTECH SNOOT BOOT medium as head cover for my CUBE . That is a great protection .
    Available in three sizes .
    I got that hint from BOB in one of the threads but can't remember which one .
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    Re: ARCA-SWISS | NEWS | PHOTOKINA 2010

    the r2md is most intriguing.
    alpa's new compact camera movements are oriented more for stitching rather than hand-holding. im not interested in stiching at all, but interested about landholding and still being able to do Rise of the lens easily, so besides alpa 12 swa, it seems that arca r2md does it.

    does this arca comes with that very (overly) long focusing ring ? or is there something more rapid. the catalog states that the camera can be used for applications like "photo-journalism" too, but i cannot imagine how overly long turn of focus can help there ?!

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