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    Yair, would you be so kind and post more samples, like the one from Capture-Integration? The file quality seems intoxicating. Furthermore, is leaf also part of Phase One's new Investment Protection program?

    I'm asking since you're a wholly owned subsidiary ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yaya View Post
    Good news all!

    Due to high demand we have decided to make the Aptus-II 12 also in Contax mount. Availability is expected in January 2011.
    that is even better news
    also good to hear the Apt.12 is successful for Leaf - congratulations!

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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 12 - 80 Mpx!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Spinnler View Post
    Yair, would you be so kind and post more samples, like the one from Capture-Integration? The file quality seems intoxicating. Furthermore, is leaf also part of Phase One's new Investment Protection program?

    I'm asking since you're a wholly owned subsidiary ...

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    Hi Paul,

    At the moment there is no plan to implement the same programme.

    I'll be posting some more images in the next 2-3 weeks as I take the back across Europe and let more people shoot with it.

    Yes the image quality can be overwhelmingly addictive:-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    Not to go too far OT, but have you tried the 80 f 2..8 AF lens on the Hy6? Its AF is right on, its a small light lens, and amazingly sharp.
    yes, I have that lens and just recently have taken some images which I liked so much that I told myself to use the 80/2.8 not enough after getting the 110/2.0.

    My Hy6 has been at Sinar for AF improvement and after that AF seems better.
    Still I dont trust it 100% yet. Plus the finder is so good the often manual focus jsut works perfectly reliable and fast enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yaya View Post
    Good news all!

    Due to high demand we have decided to make the Aptus-II 12 also in Contax mount. Availability is expected in January 2011.

    Yair
    But not for the Hy6/AFI yet?
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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 12 - 80 Mpx!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by yaya View Post
    Good news all!

    Due to high demand we have decided to make the Aptus-II 12 also in Contax mount. Availability is expected in January 2011.

    Yair
    Cripes, that would be reason enough to snatch up a Contax 645 kit ...

    So many cool things ... so little money ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Cripes, that would be reason enough to snatch up a Contax 645 kit ...
    maybe we could waste some time by specualting which of the old Contax lenses will hold up well enough on such a sensor

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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 12 - 80 Mpx!!!

    Very glad to hear that this back will be available in Contax mount.

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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 12 - 80 Mpx!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by thomas View Post
    maybe we could waste some time by specualting which of the old Contax lenses will hold up well enough on such a sensor
    It'd be worth any minor trade off to get the character of some of them.

    I'd wager the 120 macro will hold up for sure! 350 APO also.

    With announced inclusion of the C645 mount, someone seems interested in getting this back ... so we'll see eventually.

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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 12 - 80 Mpx!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by jps View Post
    Interesting story Peter. I have a similar one - I also purchased a s/h system before the melt down and subsequently talked to the new Australian agent - David Kay - about upgrading the firmware .He organised for it to go back to Sinar for this and adjustment and check over ... like Peter I got a NEW BODY back as mine was one of the original models that could not be upgraded. Apart from the shipping this was done for FREE!!! amazing service especially considering I didnt purchase it new from Sinar. I might add that on the strength of this great service I bought a new arTec and some lenses - David Kay provides truly amazing service ,has a wealth of knowledge and is a all round good bloke!!
    G'day John,

    David has mentioned a WA fellow user and his artec experiinces! he is a really excellent fellow and a true photographer - which helps a lot. His understanding of technical matters is very helpful - across all brands. As you say his service levels are reaon enough to deal with him - and he is generous with his time to a fault.

    Yair - c'mon surely you 'get the Aussie sense of humour! Seriously if David was (still) dealing in Leaf you would actually do some business down here - Leaf still delivers the bet out of the box colour IMHO.

    Bradley - the body you sent me never worked properly with autofocus - didnt really matter since I had no autofocus lenses! There was also serious glitches with LCD display and metering. I picked up an autofocus 80 from Son and was dismayed to see the same crappy autofocus I had originally seen in a premarket body I was shown.

    The new body? Autofocus fast and accurate. Metering spot on. LCD shows all information clearly and accurately. I love using the big boy with either WLF or the 45 I have. I might actually look for a glass with split screen focussing aid for my manual lenses - but in good light the screen is so clear it doesnt really matter. I'd rate the focussing screen better than my Hasselblad 200 and 500 series bodies, not as gorgeous as my mamiya RZ body - but that is a clunker compared to the silky Hy6. As an aside the hasselblad 200/500 bodies have mirror slap serious mirror slay ( which I love) but the Hy6 is smooth.

    Arca hsa surprised me withier RM bodies - and teh body lens combination is a lot les expensive than Sinar...but teh Sinar system is the bees knees.

    Pete ( stuck in front of a Bloomberg screen 24 hrs a day)

    Cheers All.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    It'd be worth any minor trade off to get the character of some of them.

    I'd wager the 120 macro will hold up for sure! 350 APO also.
    don't know the 350mm, but the 120 macro will certainly do fine.
    here's my guess:
    I think all the lenses will be quite good in the center, but edge to edge I think the 45 is too weak and the 80 probably too... the 80 maybe somehow usable" at f11, but actually I don't think so.
    The 35mm will be fine, also the 45-90 zoom lens @ 70mm, probably also @ 55mm. And the 140mm will certainly look very good.
    we'll see...

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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 12 - 80 Mpx!!!

    Any of the Contax lenses that perform well with an Aptus-II 10 or a P65+ will do just fine with the Aptus-II 12

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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 12 - 80 Mpx!!!

    AFi-II 12?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham Mitchell View Post
    - There is metering built into the camera body, so metering and AE modes work with all viewfinder options.
    - It actually has viewfinder options unlike some!
    - great lenses, fast apertures and with leaf shutters offering up to 1/1000 flash sync
    - by using a 6x6 format, the camera can remain upright at all times while just the sensor/back is rotated between landscape and portrait. This also allows use of WLF in portrait mode!
    - more obscure features such as focus bracketing and focus trapping

    The first 4 on the list are really what nail it for me.
    Graham, you forgot a few! Looks for example:

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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 12 - 80 Mpx!!!

    does Leaf actually offer a mount swap option?

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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 12 - 80 Mpx!!!

    Beautiful product shot Phillipp... one of the nicest of this kit I've seen.

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    Well, now this is a real digital medium format. Elegant and beautiful as Rachel Weiz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felipe View Post
    Graham, you forgot a few! Looks for example:


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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    Bradley - the body you sent me never worked properly with autofocus - didnt really matter since I had no autofocus lenses! There was also serious glitches with LCD display and metering. I picked up an autofocus 80 from Son and was dismayed to see the same crappy autofocus I had originally seen in a premarket body I was shown.

    The new body? Autofocus fast and accurate. Metering spot on. LCD shows all information clearly and accurately. I love using the big boy with either WLF or the 45 I have. I might actually look for a glass with split screen focussing aid for my manual lenses - but in good light the screen is so clear it doesnt really matter. I'd rate the focussing screen better than my Hasselblad 200 and 500 series bodies, not as gorgeous as my mamiya RZ body - but that is a clunker compared to the silky Hy6. As an aside the hasselblad 200/500 bodies have mirror slap serious mirror slay ( which I love) but the Hy6 is smooth.
    Hi, Peter,

    Very sorry to hear you had trouble with my former kit with AF lenses. (I too was all manual focus at the time.)

    Is your camera firmware 3.10 now? I'll be sure to make sure my next is also up-to-date. Thank you for the update, and I'm glad they took very good care of you.

    Best regards,
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    Beautiful shot of a beautiful machine, Filipe!

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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 12 - 80 Mpx!!!

    No problemo Bradley! I wanted to buy the Hy6 and try it..now the camera is so good I will probably look to add to my lens collection with a couple of autofocus lenses and get the faster flash sync along with them. ALL the lenses render differently to Ziess and HC blad - the 110/2 is my favourite version of the fast planars - I prefer it to teh blad F/FE versions i have and even to the 100/2 H.

    I am more than very happy with the Sinar kit. The software workflow isnt as intuitive or as user friendly or as polished as C1 or Phocus ..but Expose does a great job with giving me flat linear files from raw and excellent correction for shooting with tech cameras - white shading.

    from there I can use the DNG or tiff in any combo of post work prog I like - typically I use two to three specialist pieces of software after basic raw processing anyway, if I am going to keep and print. LR is getting good enough that with a couple of plugins and Imageprint - photoshop rarely gets used.

    NICE photo Felipe! -

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    Haha--see it's amazing--the same workflow and I couldn't stand it, while you love it!

    That is a great example of why I skip over 'brand war' threads, because the same set of tools might frustrate some and really please others. I think that's cool.

    I'm with you on the Rollei lenses. I can only assume it's the apertures they use, because (for me!) there is *no contest* between the Rolleis and the Hasselblad V or the Hasselblad H when it comes to rendering qualities other than sharpness.

    I'm in the market for an AFi-II 10 kit--please let me know if you come across one at a reasonable price. I'm interested in joining you in collecting some more of that Rollei glass.

    Cheers,
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    thanks for the kind words!
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    Funny- this thread seems to have become a "praise the Hy6"-thread. Anyways-I like it. keep it goin. Makes me feel better about having spend so much money in the Hy6 and Rollei lenses. Besides the 110 Zeis the Schneider 50,80 and 180 are not bad either.

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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 12 - 80 Mpx!!!

    Myself i just could never warm up to the Hy6 ergos. My left hand would firmly plant itself on buttons I am NOT supposed to touch. Of course I hear that line when a pretty girl walks by from my wife. LOL
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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 12 - 80 Mpx!!!

    A Hy6/AFI interface version of the Aptus-II 12 will be made available shipping in Q1 of 2011.


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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 12 - 80 Mpx!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpetersonci View Post
    A Hy6/AFI interface version of the Aptus-II 12 will be made available shipping in Q1 of 2011.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Felipe View Post
    Graham, you forgot a few! Looks for example
    Beautiful!

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    Great news!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felipe View Post
    i´d buy one of these if it gets released for the Hy6/AFi.
    Did Phase get the patents/licences for this camera when they bought Leaf? Hmmmmmm......

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    It's very likely that Phase now owns the Hy6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by siebel View Post
    Did Phase get the patents/licences for this camera when they bought Leaf? Hmmmmmm......
    It's confusing. One reliable source stated long ago that Kodak was left holding the rights, but in this recent BJP article, the Director of DHW Fototechnik had some interesting things to say:

    But, Hartje tells BJP that his company is continuing the production of the Hy6. “When a camera such as this one comes onto the market, you have to look at the feedback and often redesign parts of it depending on that feedback,” he says. “Nobody took care of that in the past. When we decided that we would continue to produce the Hy6, we made an analysis of the camera body to see what we could change. Now, I’m convinced that the product is excellent and still has a chance as a hybrid camera.”

    The Hy6 can accept both digital and analog backs from a wide variety of manufacturers – such as Sinar, Leaf and others.

    The new Hy6 as redesigned by DHW Fototechnik looks like its predecessor and provides the same quality of images, but, says Hartje, “we’ve changed what’s inside. And, we have stock, so there is no waiting list – we know how many pieces we can sell each year and produce them accordingly.”

    One year on, DHW Fototechnik is thriving. “At Photokina, we’ve received a lot of orders, more than expected – which shows that we were right in our decision to continue production.” However, the company still needs to gain a profile equivalent to that of its predecessor. Franke & Heidecke had a long history of involvement with photography, and while DHW Fototechnik is, on paper, Franke & Heidecke, it still needs to reach the end users – which it intends to do mostly by itself.
    Article here: http://www.bjp-online.com/british-jo...hw-fototechnik

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    Re: Leaf Aptus-II 12 - 80 Mpx!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by BradleyGibson View Post
    It's very likely that Phase now owns the Hy6.
    Brad, curious what makes you think so. As a Hy6 guy myself I try to keep current on what's happening with it but I may easily have missed something.

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    i will be interesting to see how a 80MP back performs with Hasselblad V lenses, such as 50 CFi, 100CFe, 180 CFi and even 120 CFi Macro...

    and what about long exposure with this back compare to P45+ ?

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    Leaf backs are limited to 32 seconds or thereabouts while the P45+ can do an hour (although it is a noisy hour). This limited exposure is one reason why it took me so long to give up my beloved P-45+ in favor of the new AP2 12 (on an Alpa tech camera), but I've decided I can live within the 30 second limit, which is pretty much the norm with most backs now, although some of the other Phase backs can do up to a minute or so if conditions are right. Paul with Optechs Digital loaned me an AP2 10 and I've decided that I just love the look of Leaf files vs. the Phase for landscape images so much that the exposure limit is no longer an issue for me (and so far I have not missed the longer exposures anyway).

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    BTW I just did a 1 minute 3 second shot at Mono Lake on the P40+ and looks really good at ISO 50 and my bet is i could have went longer. I would imagine the new sensor can handle that as well
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    i'm a leaf fan also, but i need long exposure for architecture...

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    Quote Originally Posted by David K View Post
    Brad, curious what makes you think so. As a Hy6 guy myself I try to keep current on what's happening with it but I may easily have missed something.
    Given that neither Jenoptik or Sinar have any rights with the Hy6 any more (source: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/fo...?topic=46662.0), the rights lie either with Kodak (former owner of Leaf) or with Phase (the current owner of Leaf). There was credible information circulating that Jenoptik had sold the rights to Kodak, shortly before Phase picked up Leaf's assets.

    Of course, it's possible that some eccentric billionaire out of New Zealand owns the camera, but discounting something out of left field, all signs seem to point to Phase quietly taking ownership of this camera as well.

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    Another alternative exists: they are sitting quietly in a drawer at Kodak, with some reluctance to let them go. They could be valuable or valueless, and its hard to put a price tag on that. If this was the case, some time would have to pass before the owner of these rights would realize how limited the value really was or is.

    disclaimer: Just conjecture here, no real inside knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BradleyGibson View Post
    Of course, it's possible that some eccentric billionaire out of New Zealand owns the camera, but discounting something out of left field, all signs seem to point to Phase quietly taking ownership of this camera as well.
    Not sure we have any billionaires here in NZ. In any event, if we did, he / she would probably be living a quiet suburb and driving an old Ford Cortina bought second hand in 1979, not dabbling in photography.

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    That's why NZ's my kind of place! I think if I ever visit I may not leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjv View Post
    Not sure we have any billionaires here in NZ. In any event, if we did, he / she would probably be living a quiet suburb and driving an old Ford Cortina bought second hand in 1979, not dabbling in photography.
    Quote Originally Posted by BradleyGibson View Post
    That's why NZ's my kind of place! I think if I ever visit I may not leave.
    And i don't care to be rich if i live in NZ, i have been there and loved it a lot, wish to live there, and for sure i will have the best shots of landscapes i can do from there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    BTW I just did a 1 minute 3 second shot at Mono Lake on the P40+ and looks really good at ISO 50 and my bet is i could have went longer. I would imagine the new sensor can handle that as well
    Guy, I had a chat to Dr.Claus Molgaard (P1 head of R&D) about this in Cologne. The problem is heat related. I had noticed the black pixels that are a symptom at less than 60 sec on my P65+. I was working on a night shot in the Arabian desert at 50deg ambient temp (yes, 50deg at night!) and my back was HOT, as well as being activated for 50+sec exposures. We've since started applying cold gel-packs to the back when we do longer exposures and this helps heaps. Taking the long exposure slider in C1 to 100% doesn't degrade the overall image noticeably as it selectively targets the black pixels. Carrying gel-packs is a bit of a drag but hey, it sure expands the performance envelope of the back!

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