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    Hasselblad system - need your advice

    Hi,

    While I've been lurking for a while, this is my first post. I'm an event photographer (mainly weddings) and for the past 7yrs I've been shooting 35mm digitally. I don't plan on changing that , but I would like to do something different.

    My plan is to start shooting MF again, specifically I like the square format. When I shot MF, I was using the Bronica system. I would like to get either a Hassy or a Mamiya. Also, I would like something that I could potentially use it with a digital back as well at some point down the road. From the website, it seems that the 503CW fits the bill.

    I found this for sale and I would like your opinion - $1900:

    Hasselblad 503CW Chrome Medium Format
    50mm lens
    150 mm lens
    5 backs
    Hasselblad flash
    Compete Outfit EXCELLENT++

    I will also try to attach an image.

    Here are the questions:

    1. Price: is it good deal, fair price or overpriced?
    2. Lenses: what kind of lenses are these (chrome)?
    3. What should I look for? (aside from the obvious external condition)
    4. Does it work with digital backs, untethered?
    5. Can you get a prism that has a build in meter (I don't want to carry a light meter with me)?

    Any other advice?

    Your help is much appreciated.

    Valentin

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    Re: Hasselblad system - need your advice

    So, 60 people later and nobody has any advice?

    I know there are some very knowledgeable people in here and I would appreciate your input (or point me in the right direction).

    Thanks,
    Valentin

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    503 bodies are fairly recent in the V system....but lenses appear 20 years older and as the shutter is in the lens check all speeds carefully.

    Both lenses look old...not T*?

    Black T* LENSES are better coated and have better shutter springs. The most recent version changed spring to a product named 'Nivacron?' which was more robust. I would take an 80 T* and a couple of extension tubes over these any day.

    However, you may get years of use without a problem...no way to guage the history of the used lenses.

    Sean Cranor at CameraWest has a good selection of used Hasselblad V stuff at very reasonable prices....many of us have had great ongoing relationships with them.

    http://www.camerawest.com/categories...roducts/12584/

    You may also whant to try this in the analog section....probably more interest there.

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    Thank you Bob.

    I'll try the analog section as well.

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    Personally I shot the V for years and I would not go down this path if I was buying. I loved it with film and a lot of folks like it with digital but to me it is just going backwards. Also a lot of this is going to come down to what you shoot what you like and how much do you want to jump in with money. If your willing to go 12k you could go lightyears ahead of the V system and have a outstanding used kit in Hassy H or Phase systems. Or even buy a Contax even though it is no longer made it still is a very popular kit for MF shooters. I just would not go back to the V as to me some lenses are good but a lot where just okay. I know I say that with some folks getting mad at me but if I have the money in hand I would be going for the latest and greatest I could get my hands on
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Personally I shot the V for years and I would not go down this path if I was buying. I loved it with film and a lot of folks like it with digital but to me it is just going backwards. Also a lot of this is going to come down to what you shoot what you like and how much do you want to jump in with money. If your willing to go 12k you could go lightyears ahead of the V system and have a outstanding used kit in Hassy H or Phase systems. Or even buy a Contax even though it is no longer made it still is a very popular kit for MF shooters. I just would not go back to the V as to me some lenses are good but a lot where just okay. I know I say that with some folks getting mad at me but if I have the money in hand I would be going for the latest and greatest I could get my hands on
    Guy,

    I have a closet full of 120, 220 and 35mm film stock that is aging gracefully...after shooting MFDB I cannot go back. But unless you have the requisite funds analog still offers a look that can be duplicated in digital but only with time and experience.

    My first digital back was a P20 for the H system that cost 6K...thought I was crazy when I bought it but when I saw the files I was hooked...you know the progression from there.

    Abandon hope all who pass this threshold.....

    You advice is sound, for those who have the entry fee.


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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
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    You advice is sound, for those who have the entry fee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Personally I shot the V for years and I would not go down this path if I was buying. I loved it with film and a lot of folks like it with digital but to me it is just going backwards. Also a lot of this is going to come down to what you shoot what you like and how much do you want to jump in with money. If your willing to go 12k you could go lightyears ahead of the V system and have a outstanding used kit in Hassy H or Phase systems. Or even buy a Contax even though it is no longer made it still is a very popular kit for MF shooters. I just would not go back to the V as to me some lenses are good but a lot where just okay. I know I say that with some folks getting mad at me but if I have the money in hand I would be going for the latest and greatest I could get my hands on
    Thank you Guy.

    Bob is right on the money ... I don't want to spend that kind of coin. I don't want to switch systems (at least not at this time) so it doesn't make business sense to spend that much for what would basically be an added service/product.

    I am looking for something that works with both film and digital for the added flexibility (in case later I want to add a digital back). It seems that the V system fits that bill. I'm not familiar with it so that is why I asked here.

    I want to start shooting MF for 2 reasons:

    1. For myself; to keep myself interested in this profession
    2. To differentiate myself in my market. Film is one way , but mostly would be the different format.

    Thanks again for your input. It's much appreciated.

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    I would agree with Guy on this... I shot with a 500 C/M and a Phase One P21+ for about a year.
    Overall I got great shots and it does work but:
    1) The sync cable from the lens to the back gets to be a hassle.
    2) The older Hassy bodies seem to generate more dust from old foam and light absorbing materials than say a Mamiya. Add to that that, the rear curtains flap up and down resulting in turbulence that stirs all of this crud up. I finally resorted to putting double stick tape on the rear curtains to catch the particles... yes, it actually helped.
    3) Upkeep and maintenance ... most of the C series lenses are due for a CLA and so all of mine took a trip to David Odess for that work. If you get a bargain on Hasselblad stuff you will pay as much to get it in tip-top shape. David has used gear for sale that is ready to go for years. I think there are some parts issues just around the corner with some of these lenses.

    Bottom line (this is painful because I shot square for the first 30 years of my photo life)is to score a Mamiya (AFDII or better) and pick up a good back. Capture Integration has what I believe is my old P21+ in a Mamiya mount for a song... $4900. Never abused and a great performer. Hope this helps. What it boils down to in this "land of the damned" is figure out what you want to spend, then double it.

    The only thing that would make this niche of photography even worse is if you got the first one free...

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    Re: Hasselblad system - need your advice

    Quote Originally Posted by Valentin View Post
    Thank you Guy.

    Bob is right on the money ... I don't want to spend that kind of coin. I don't want to switch systems (at least not at this time) so it doesn't make business sense to spend that much for what would basically be an added service/product.

    I am looking for something that works with both film and digital for the added flexibility (in case later I want to add a digital back). It seems that the V system fits that bill. I'm not familiar with it so that is why I asked here.

    I want to start shooting MF for 2 reasons:

    1. For myself; to keep myself interested in this profession
    2. To differentiate myself in my market. Film is one way , but mostly would be the different format.

    Thanks again for your input. It's much appreciated.
    As a 30+, year veteran of using a Hasselblad V system. My advice would be to step into it slowly. Get a basic chrome trim 501CM or 503CW kit with a black T* 80/2.8 and a couple of A12 film backs. Try to get the backs that have the dark slide holder built in. When getting the backs check that the housing and film insert have the same serial number ... they are matched at the factory. Look for a PME45 finder ...not the newer one, the previous model ... it is actually easier and faster to use, as well as less expensive.

    The difference between a 501CM and 503CW is the 503CW has a TTL flash meter built in (not an exposure meter) ... otherwise they are basically the same camera. If you intend on using flash let me know here, and I can fill you in on the various flash choices. I even have some for sale.

    If you decide on the 503CW, look for one that has the TTL flash ISO dial that goes to 1600. Previous ones went to 800. Not only does it indicate that it's a newer model, there is a practical reason to get it as it allows a better range of flash compensation ... with some flash units, the 503CW flash ISO dial is the only way to comp the flash plus/minus output for fill or back-lit situations.

    If you take to the camera and like what you see, then add a 50mm and 150 ... or 120 macro ... and you'll have most everything covered.

    I no longer use a V having only recently sold it all off, but only because I shoot professionally and needed AF as well as more diverse features available on the 645 type systems. More importantly, I couldn't continue to upgrade digital backs for two different type of systems.

    I disagree with Guy ... if I was just shooting for myself I'd still be using a V ... even though I now have high-end Hasselblad H4 Products with digital backs, the V produced just as good image quality as most anything out there. It didn't suddenly become crap just because other stuff came on the scene. Best bang for the buck going these days IMO.

    Plus, because of the renewed interest in film photography, Kodak has recently announced new, and even better films. Doesn't sound like its dead to me.

    -Marc
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post

    Plus, because of the renewed interest in film photography, Kodak has recently announced new, and even better films. Doesn't sound like its dead to me.

    -Marc
    Ummm, how about Vinyl records and mechanical watches.......some things do look much better after people get by the "latest thing" hype

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valentin View Post
    I am looking for something that works with both film and digital for the added flexibility (in case later I want to add a digital back).
    I would look at the Mamiya RZ II or IID for this. Cheaper and Mamiya is running a promotion at this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    ...Get a basic chrome trim 501CM or 503CW kit with a black T* 80/2.8 and a couple of A12 film backs. Try to get the backs that have the dark slide holder built in. When getting the backs check that the housing and film insert have the same serial number ... they are matched at the factory. Look for a PME45 finder ...not the newer one, the previous model ... it is actually easier and faster to use, as well as less expensive....
    -Marc
    Thank you so much Marc. This is exactly what I was looking for. Since I'm not familiar with the system, I have no idea what to look for.

    I plan to use this new system outdoors so the flash use will be limited (maybe fill).

    I really appreciate all the information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darr View Post
    I would look at the Mamiya RZ II or IID for this. Cheaper and Mamiya is running a promotion at this time.
    Thank you. I'll definitely check them out. Now I need to do more research .

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    Any other advice?

    Your help is much appreciated.
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    I am just a hobbyist but I have a fair amount of "V" system equipment. I wouldn't buy what I see in the photo...the lenses are old, the film backs are several generations out of date, the prism finder is old, etc. etc..

    Do research!!!! For "V"system, buy a used copy of Ernst Wildi's "The Hasselblad Manual" the older 5th edition is probably the best for "V" and buy a copy of Richard Nordin's "Hasselblad System Compendium"..both can be usually found of e-bay.

    Look through the "stock" of used MF gear at KEH.com. You will get a general picture of what "fair" pricing is, perhaps somewhat higher than e-bay or private sale but they are trustworthy.

    I think Marc has set you on the right path..start slow, buy by the piece rather than "sets" and get late model equipment if you can budget for it. If you know the serial number of the Hasselblad camera or lenses, you can go the Hasselblad Historical web site and get year of manufacture.

    A piece of Hasselblad equipment may appear to be cheap at the sale but if it doesn't work properly, the cost of repair will quickly make a "good deal" go sour. The older "C' lenses pictured last "forever" however parts are no longer available, such as shutter springs, etc.

    Good luck:

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    Re: Hasselblad system - need your advice

    Quote Originally Posted by tetsrfun View Post
    Any other advice?

    Your help is much appreciated.
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    I am just a hobbyist but I have a fair amount of "V" system equipment. I wouldn't buy what I see in the photo...the lenses are old, the film backs are several generations out of date, the prism finder is old, etc. etc..

    Do research!!!! For "V"system, buy a used copy of Ernst Wildi's "The Hasselblad Manual" the older 5th edition is probably the best for "V" and buy a copy of Richard Nordin's "Hasselblad System Compendium"..both can be usually found of e-bay.

    Look through the "stock" of used MF gear at KEH.com. You will get a general picture of what "fair" pricing is, perhaps somewhat higher than e-bay or private sale but they are trustworthy.

    I think Marc has set you on the right path..start slow, buy by the piece rather than "sets" and get late model equipment if you can budget for it. If you know the serial number of the Hasselblad camera or lenses, you can go the Hasselblad Historical web site and get year of manufacture.

    A piece of Hasselblad equipment may appear to be cheap at the sale but if it doesn't work properly, the cost of repair will quickly make a "good deal" go sour. The older "C' lenses pictured last "forever" however parts are no longer available, such as shutter springs, etc.

    Good luck:

    Steve
    +1

    The 503CW is great.....older lenses etc, not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsrfun View Post
    ... I wouldn't buy what I see in the photo...the lenses are old, the film backs are several generations out of date, the prism finder is old, etc. etc..

    Do research!!!! For "V"system, buy a used copy of Ernst Wildi's "The Hasselblad Manual" the older 5th edition is probably the best for "V" and buy a copy of Richard Nordin's "Hasselblad System Compendium"..both can be usually found of e-bay....

    Steve
    Thank you Steve. My research found this place which proves to be a great place and resource for MF (and other systems) users.

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    Re: Hasselblad system - need your advice

    Maybe I should ask this from a different perspective:

    What would be the best setup if you want to shoot both film and digital (MF of course)?

    I would like to gather as much information I can. This way, when I go to PhotoPlus I can take a closer look at the systems available.

    All the information so far it's been very valuable and I appreciate it.

    Valentin

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    What would be the best setup if you want to shoot both film and digital (MF of course)?
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    What is your budget?? If I were starting with a clean slate and as a hobbyist who wanted to get into MF....I would think seriously about of one of the "deals" on a H3DII-31 kit for $11,995 or the body and 31MP back for $9,995 and shop for used HC lenses. No film but I suspect once you start working with MF digital files that film will become less important. I should add that $9,995 was what I paid for my 16 MP CFV digital back just a few years ago.

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    If you would want to use both film as well as digital. If it were me I would go for either a H3 (version 1) or a H2F with CF back. Both of these can use film as well as digital backs (the H3DII cannot use film).

    I went from V, to H2F and now to H4D. After the H2F I have used less than 5 rolls...

    The V simply was too annoying and difficult for my commercial work compared to the ease of use of the H. The 503CW I used as well, that is a lovely body. Indeed the lenses and the filmbacks appear to be really dated. Personally if I would want this set I would want the body and pass on the lenses and filmbacks.

    For personal work with film I would have stayed with the V.

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    I have a great Sinarback E22 with Hasselblad H1 + 2 filmbacks+prismfinder and 80mm for sale for less than 5800 euro. It is a grea entry in MF as it uses the same sensor as the later Aptus5 and Emotion 22Mp backs that are still sold new. I can also make a kit with a 150mm or a CF adapter.

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    Re: Hasselblad system - need your advice

    Quote Originally Posted by Valentin View Post
    Maybe I should ask this from a different perspective:

    What would be the best setup if you want to shoot both film and digital (MF of course)?

    I would like to gather as much information I can. This way, when I go to PhotoPlus I can take a closer look at the systems available.

    All the information so far it's been very valuable and I appreciate it.

    Valentin
    This is wholly dependent on your creative intent, style of shooting, and perhaps more importantly ... budget.

    As soon as you add digital to the equation, budgets like $1,900. go out the window. This forum section's theme: "Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here" is mostly because of digital equipment, not Medium Format gear.

    When shooting with a V system, I LOVED the CFV line of digital backs. The CFV is unique from all other digital backs you can use on a V camera because pesky sync cords are not necessary. The only draw back was the 1.5X crop factor ... which I personally never cared about since I rarely used super wide lenses. Unless you are printing beyond 30" X 30" the files hold up just fine. I usually printed at 17" square or 17" X 22" cropped. As many here will attest, there is a certain magical equation between the so called "Fat Pixel" CFV and the Zeiss V lenses. Now there are 39 and 50 meg versions of the CFV ... which has continued the support of the V system by Hasselblad.

    You can read my initial CFV/16 reaction & see photos using this combination here on the Planet V section of the Hasselblad website:

    http://www.hasselblad.com/planet-v/w...-williams.aspx

    For other words and pics on Planet V go here:

    http://www.hasselblad.com/planet-v/word.aspx

    Note that I also used a V to shoot wedding work with, so they are not just relegated to static situations. I also shot a ton of film with one and scanned it on a Imacon 949 scanner. That work holds its own against the best digital backs because the look and qualities of film are different than digital.

    But the ease and instant gratification of digital made me lazy, and for commercial work digital wasn't a luxury, it was a necessity ... so I surrendered to digital and eventually moved to 645 digital for the financial upkeep reasons I already mentioned.

    Other possible ways to go:

    Hasselblad V 200 series cameras ... these are focal plane type cameras that can use the faster aperture Zeiss FE lenses and with a simple modification can use a CFV digital back. Plus it can be used with all C, CF and CFE Zeiss leaf shutter lenses. It has the meter built in and can be used like a SLR with automation of exposure and shooting. (the 203FE was my favorite camera of all time, ever ... and I still miss it ).

    The RZ mentioned is a viable option ... but it's no V IMO ... far less portability than a V. I know this because I also have a full RZ Pro-II system.

    Any of the 645 camera systems that can shoot film and digital is a possibility ...

    Hasselblad H1, H2 (which will take most any digital back), H2F (film back capable, takes Hassey CF and CFH type digital backs, and is different from the H1 and H2 in that it takes all the current digital lenses and accessories like the H/TS tilt-shift unit) ... the H2D/22/31/39 & H3D/22/31/39 (which all are digital already but also take H film backs).

    Mamiya AFD, AFD-II, & D series focal plane cameras.

    Contax 645, which is a discontinued line, but still very popular. You won't see this at PhotoPlus : -)

    Digital backs are available for any of these. Older backs are reasonably priced but still not cheap. I'd avoid really old tech backs which are relatively limited in use, ISO ability, and meg count.

    If a hobbyist, I'd personally spend the money on a decent scanner initially as way to get images into the digital domain. Frankly, for most applications up to 15" square prints from a V, I did pretty darned good scans from a $500. Epson V-750 Pro high-end flatbed and good 3rd party software like Silverfast.

    A basic 503CW with 80/2.8 T* lens and 2 film backs coupled with a high-end flat bed won't suck your bank account dry, and provide a true introduction to MF with some digital ability ... then you can expand from there. Nothing will be a loss ... even the flatbed ... everyone should have a good flatbed anyway to scan prints with

    -Marc

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    Re: Hasselblad system - need your advice

    maybe this will help; all these options would do film and digital:

    503, 80mm, A12 film back, PME45 prism (has meter), CFV 16 (the 1.5 crop and only square blad back) this set could probably be found for $4-5k. I would only buy it from a guy like Marc or Son, e-bay is risky.

    simiar, but a 203 or 205 body figure $5k. prism useful, but the 205 has a built in meter, focal plane shutter will take FE lenses (or C, CF, CFE lenses) I shot with one of these for a couple of years with both the CFV16 and CFV 39 and loved it. nothing else like the blad form factor.

    the processing software for blad raw files is PHOCUS, available at no cost from hasselblad and works extremely well. Blad also makes firmware updates for the back available at no cost

    once you depart from the CFV16(sq) back, with for instance the CFV-39, the above cameras would be shooting landscape mode rectangular and are a bit awkward to shoot in portrait mode, esp with the waist level finder.

    H3D-31,39 with 80mm lens, prismfinder, film back: a rectangular 1.3 crop, 31 or 39 mpx blad back, auto focus, all shutters in the lens, figure $8-9K. better ergonomics for shooting portrait than the V series, built in grip

    used H and C series lenses are easy to find and reasonably priced

    newer cameras won't also shoot film (the H4D-40 with 80 lens is around $12k, for comparison)
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    Re: Hasselblad system - need your advice

    Check this out this is off of CI website but just for a idea of what is going on in the used area. The Mamiya AFD II will shoot film also


    Mamiya 645 AFD II body $750
    Mamiya AF 35mm f/3.5 Lens $999
    Mamiya AF 45mm f/2.8 Lens $579
    Mamiya AF 80mm f/2.8 Lens $199
    Mamiya AF 150mm f/3.5 Lens $429
    Mamiya AF ULD 210mm f/4.0 Lens $555

    Phase One P21+ M (2800 shots) $4,900
    Phase One AF 645 body (90 day warranty) $899

    Phase One P30+ V (1700 shots) $9,500
    Phase One P30+ M $8,990


    Notice for the V a P30+ 9500
    In a Mamiya mount 8990


    Obviously this a guide on there pricing but these kinds of prices and products are out there. Also the AFDIII will shoot film also and a better cam but more like 1500 for one.

    I do agree though if your going to go V do not buy the older stuff buy the latest they have . Repairs can eat you alive

    Seriously if I want to get in Cheap go Mamiya AFD or Contax. Also look at the P25+ in either mounts. Great 22mpx back but hard to find now. To me if I am going to invest like this I would be after the latest system I could find and afford.
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    Re: Hasselblad system - need your advice

    If you look at this right here . You almost can't beat this setup for entry level and you have a whole system ready to shoot for less than 8k

    Mamiya 645 AFD II body $750
    Mamiya AF 35mm f/3.5 Lens $999
    Mamiya AF 45mm f/2.8 Lens $579
    Mamiya AF 80mm f/2.8 Lens $199
    Mamiya AF 150mm f/3.5 Lens $429
    Mamiya AF ULD 210mm f/4.0 Lens $555

    Phase One P21+ M (2800 shots) $4,900

    That back at that price is almost a great backup for myself.

    The one thing here is you can upgrade the lenses , bodies and back as you grow the system. To me that is what counts is how I can take something like this and have a future in upgrade paths. Your very limited in Hassy as no new V are made and Contax the cycle is no longer made. To me it would be a H system or a Phase/Mamiya system as you can grow either one.
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    Now you most likely will see similar pricing on the Hassy V cam and lenses but non of them are AF if you need that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    maybe this will help; all these options would do film and digital:

    503, 80mm, A12 film back, PME45 prism (has meter), CFV 16 (the 1.5 crop and only square blad back) this set could probably be found for $4-5k. I would only buy it from a guy like Marc or Son, e-bay is risky.

    simiar, but a 203 or 205 body figure $5k. prism useful, but the 205 has a built in meter, focal plane shutter will take FE lenses (or C, CF, CFE lenses) I shot with one of these for a couple of years with both the CFV16 and CFV 39 and loved it. nothing else like the blad form factor.

    the processing software for blad raw files is PHOCUS, available at no cost from hasselblad and works extremely well. Blad also makes firmware updates for the back available at no cost

    once you depart from the CFV16(sq) back, with for instance the CFV-39, the above cameras would be shooting landscape mode rectangular and are a bit awkward to shoot in portrait mode, esp with the waist level finder.

    H3D-31,39 with 80mm lens, prismfinder, film back: a rectangular 1.3 crop, 31 or 39 mpx blad back, auto focus, all shutters in the lens, figure $8-9K. better ergonomics for shooting portrait than the V series, built in grip

    used H and C series lenses are easy to find and reasonably priced

    newer cameras won't also shoot film (the H4D-40 with 80 lens is around $12k, for comparison)
    H4D/40 with 80mm lens for $12K ... where would that be available? Do you mean the recently announced entry level H4D/31?

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    oops...the H4D-31.

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    Thank you everybody. Really useful information.

    I photograph events: weddings, mitzvahs, portraits ... I don't do landscapes or fashion work so the need for the latest and greatest is not there (I would love to, but it's not financially possible).

    I currently shoot 35mm and it fits perfect my style of shooting. So, I don't plan on changing to MF only. If I would do that, than yes, I would look into all options and would be prepared to spend that kind of money.

    My goal is to stay under or at about the $3k mark. If that means that I have to choose a system that's film only, so be it (although I would love to find something that can be used both with film and digital).

    My goal with this move is to ADD something to what I'm offering now. Everybody shoots 35mm now (with very few exceptions) so I want to introduce something that other people don't offer. I can't justify spending $10k at this point. If what I am trying to do doesn't prove viable, I don't want to regret it and loose the money. As much as I would love a MF digital outfit, I can't afford to spend 10k or more in a whim.

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    That is fine but fair warning and I mean this sincerely and everyone will say the same thing. Once you start shooting MF digital next to impossible to pick up that Canon again. LOL

    The files just suck you in like a bad disease.

    We did not name the subtitle of this forum for nothing. LOL
    "Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here." (Dante)

    It's a slippery slope
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    Valentin,

    I'm selling a 500C/M that I have owned and babied since 1986.

    I posted pics at http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17928

    Drop me a PM if you might be interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    That is fine but fair warning and I mean this sincerely and everyone will say the same thing. Once you start shooting MF digital next to impossible to pick up that Canon again. LOL

    The files just suck you in like a bad disease.

    We did not name the subtitle of this forum for nothing. LOL
    "Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here." (Dante)

    It's a slippery slope
    LOL ... I know. I love my 5dII files but I've seen the files from MF digital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonSmith View Post
    Valentin,

    I'm selling a 500C/M that I have owned and babied since 1986.

    I posted pics at http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17928

    Drop me a PM if you might be interested.
    Thank you Ron. I'm still in the deciding phase. I'll definitely keep you in mind.

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    Thank you Ron. I'm still in the deciding phase. I'll definitely keep you in mind.
    Please do. I haven't updated that listing in a while, but I can do better for you.
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    If a hobbyist, I'd personally spend the money on a decent scanner initially as way to get images into the digital domain. Frankly, for most applications up to 15" square prints from a V, I did pretty darned good scans from a $500. Epson V-750 Pro high-end flatbed and good 3rd party software like Silverfast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darr View Post
    I would look at the Mamiya RZ II or IID for this. Cheaper and Mamiya is running a promotion at this time.
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    ...
    When shooting with a V system, I LOVED the CFV line of digital backs. The CFV is unique from all other digital backs you can use on a V camera because pesky sync cords are not necessary. The only draw back was the 1.5X crop factor ... which I personally never cared about since I rarely used super wide lenses...
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    Thank you for the detailed post. I have a question since I couldn't find it on their site: what format is the back when shot in full mode. It seems close to 645 format but not quite. It looks like it's somewhere in between 6x7 and 645

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    Guy is right... they do suck you in. MFDB's that is.

    You may have seen me chiming in on threads on DWF about medium format.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/symbolp...th/5024570231/

    Stay away from the whole scene unless you plan to get sucked in. I thought i'd start a the cheapest point too, now i have a HC35-90 and plan to upgrade to the H4D very soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by symbolphoto View Post
    Guy is right... they do suck you in. MFDB's that is.

    You may have seen me chiming in on threads on DWF about medium format.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/symbolp...th/5024570231/

    Stay away from the whole scene unless you plan to get sucked in. I thought i'd start a the cheapest point too, now i have a HC35-90 and plan to upgrade to the H4D very soon.
    Ha ha ... I know ... trust me, the little "devil" on my right shoulder keeps whispering excuses to buy one

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    Quote Originally Posted by darr View Post
    I would look at the Mamiya RZ II or IID for this. Cheaper and Mamiya is running a promotion at this time.

    My head is about to explode. I've read so much about the different systems, pros, cons....

    The above looks more and more appealing:

    1. you can shoot film and digital
    2. you can shoot multiple formats; this is a feature that I really like; 6x6, 6x7 and 6x4.5
    3. cheaper than a Hasselblad system

    You do loose the Zeiss lenses though.

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    I built up a 503CW into a 503CWD system over the last year or two. I've got the 50 FLE, 80 and 150 lenses and a pair of backs. The CFV-16 is a really nice back and extends the life of the V system. The colors, dynamic range and general richness of the files are something else (compared to DSLRs). It's great being able to switch from a roll of Tri-X to 16-bit color in a few seconds. The modularity of the camera is a real benefit. I'll often switch between the WLF and PM5 (45) prism as well. Another benefit is being able to throw in a combination of extension tubes for close (or macro) shooting... Something I really wish my Mamiya 7II did (3' is as close as it gets).

    The images from film or digital, of course - give you all that MF goodness and the rig is a blast to shoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Negative View Post
    I built up a 503CW into a 503CWD system over the last year or two. I've got the 50 FLE, 80 and 150 lenses and a pair of backs. The CFV-16 is a really nice back and extends the life of the V system. The colors, dynamic range and general richness of the files are something else (compared to DSLRs). It's great being able to switch from a roll of Tri-X to 16-bit color in a few seconds. The modularity of the camera is a real benefit. I'll often switch between the WLF and PM5 (45) prism as well. Another benefit is being able to throw in a combination of extension tubes for close (or macro) shooting... Something I really wish my Mamiya 7II did (3' is as close as it gets).

    The images from film or digital, of course - give you all that MF goodness and the rig is a blast to shoot.

    Thanks. Man, it's hard to decide: V system or Mamiya RZ.

    I have to hold one in my hands since the focusing is done via the knobs and I don't know how it feels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valentin View Post
    Thanks. Man, it's hard to decide: V system or Mamiya RZ.

    I have to hold one in my hands since the focusing is done via the knobs and I don't know how it feels.
    Yes, holding one in your hands will answer a lot of questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Yes, holding one in your hands will answer a lot of questions.
    True. I do like the fact that you can shoot multiple formats with this camera.

    Question for you: what format is the CFV when shooting in full mode?
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    the cfv 16 is square
    the other CFV backs are rectangular, landscape orientation

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    ...The only draw back was the 1.5X crop factor ... ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    the cfv 16 is square
    the other CFV backs are rectangular, landscape orientation
    Now I'm confused. Why would it be a crop factor if the back is square?

    Also, does the V system have different format backs (6x6, 6x7) that you can use? I couldn't find anything in regard to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valentin View Post
    Now I'm confused. Why would it be a crop factor if the back is square?
    The CFV sensor is 36 mm x 36 mm, compared to 6x6 film's 56 mm square; so the image one gets is like a crop from the centre of the film image.

    Also, does the V system have different format backs (6x6, 6x7) that you can use? I couldn't find anything in regard to that.
    6x6 and 645 backs are fairly common for the V system, and I believe that there are a some less common possibilities, like super-slide, and 80 mm.

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    Now I'm confused. Why would it be a crop factor if the back is square?

    Also, does the V system have different format backs (6x6, 6x7) that you can use? I couldn't find anything in regard to that.
    I just stumbled into this thread, which is particularly funny because I just picked up a Hassy 501CM outfit with 50 and 80 lenses. I walked into B&H today ready to pull the trigger on the D3x, and walked out with this beauty.

    It is simply magical. The first time I opened the waist level finder and looked through it I fell in love. The size of the finder, the 3-dimensionality of what you see, it's truly something else. Nothing in 35mm compares. The slap of the mirror and the cocking of the shutter are noises to be experienced.

    I am new to MF and the V series, but as far as I can tell, it's revitalized my passion for photography and - as with other things - the MFAS (Medium Format Acquisition Syndrom) is strong with this one. I foresee an S2 or H4D before Christmas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjuna View Post
    The CFV sensor is 36 mm x 36 mm, compared to 6x6 film's 56 mm square; so the image one gets is like a crop from the centre of the film image.

    6x6 and 645 backs are fairly common for the V system, and I believe that there are a some less common possibilities, like super-slide, and 80 mm.
    Thanks. Got it. Are there any 6x7 backs for the V system (film)?

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    Thanks. Got it. Are there any 6x7 backs for the V system (film)?
    Nope. It's a 6x6 camera.

    The backs do however cover 120, 220 and 70mm film.

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