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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    The quote is Dante Alighieri's from the Divine Comedy, not mine Guy. It is the inscription over the gate to Hell in the "Inferno" ... leading to the 9 circles of Hades.

    Which circle have you decended to?

    I'm at about Circle 5 ... If I get a Multi-Shot, then I'll jump directly down to level 7 ... levels 8 and 9 are reserved for when a bigger sensor hits the market.
    I will fix that than, give credit where credit is due
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    Re: Screw the wishlist, we need a MF addicts HELP line!

    Here is a engraving from the "Inferno."

    It depicts Dante and Virgil photographing members of the GetDPI Medium Format Forum
    in the Second Level of Hell.

    More Levels to go folks ... get to selling and spending.
    Last edited by fotografz; 17th August 2008 at 15:34.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I think I may just put that as the sub title to the MF forum. LOL

    "Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here."
    Haha, just noticed the forum subtitle and then looked in this thread for an answer. Guess I know who to blame now

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    This is just hilarious. I enjoy reading it.



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    Re: Screw the wishlist, we need a MF addicts HELP line!

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Here is a engraving from the "Inferno."

    It depicts Dante and Virgil photographing members of the GetDPI Medium Format Forum
    in the Second Level of Hell.

    More Levels to go folks ... get to selling and spending.
    BEAUTIFUL!

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    Re: Screw the wishlist, we need a MF addicts HELP line!

    It would be my painful but totally selfless duty to relieve you of that Contax 24-85 Marc should you decide to let us help you to repent...
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    This is terrible, so I beg forgiveness in advance.
    I think that it feels more like
    Zeilenauflösung macht frei
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    Quote Originally Posted by thsinar View Post
    This is just hilarious. I enjoy reading it.



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    Well if we can't have a little fun and laugh at ourselves once in awhile than that would be sad. Let the fun roll on folks
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    Setup shot from yesterday's photoshoot:


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    Re: Screw the wishlist, we need a MF addicts HELP line!

    Graham, am I correct in assuming the kneeling gentleman is the art director, trying to assess skin tone value?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtKamka View Post
    Graham, am I correct in assuming the kneeling gentleman is the art director, trying to assess skin tone value?
    No, he is kneeling over the dead body of yet another assistant/slave I pushed too hard.

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    Re: Screw the wishlist, we need a MF addicts HELP line!

    In re gear we really need versus what we have:

    At the end of the day I can generally do 95% of any shooting assignment with only three lenses. In 35mm those would be a 28, 50 and 85 (or close to that), in 4x5 it would be a 75, 150 and 300, in medium format it would be a 55, 80 and 150.

    The problem is I need all the other stuff to cover the extra 5%... (Yes, abandon hope!)

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    Re: Screw the wishlist, we need a MF addicts HELP line!

    And a totally OT tidbit:

    Dante wrote "Inferno" after taking a walk through the limestone cliffs of Les Beaux (France). If you've ever been there, you immediately see the massive natural cliff "sculptures" as the villainous creatures he describes in those writings. This happens to be a shooting spot for our Southern France "Gourmet Photography" shoot whenever we get it scheduled, maybe when the dollar recovers a bit like spring 2010... Anyway, we have arranged access to a private quarry in Les Beaux, replete with with massive stone blocks as backdrops, specifically to photograph "environmental" nudes in that particular setting. Should be awesome!
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    Re: Screw the wishlist, we need a MF addicts HELP line!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    In re gear we really need versus what we have:

    At the end of the day I can generally do 95% of any shooting assignment with only three lenses. In 35mm those would be a 28, 50 and 85 (or close to that), in 4x5 it would be a 75, 150 and 300, in medium format it would be a 55, 80 and 150.

    The problem is I need all the other stuff to cover the extra 5%... (Yes, abandon hope!)

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    Trouble is, the minute you pare down to 3 lenses, all the work shifts to the three lenses you don't have. It's the "gear" rule of thirds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Trouble is, the minute you pare down to 3 lenses, all the work shifts to the three lenses you don't have. It's the "gear" rule of thirds.
    SO TRUE!

    And the Murphy corollary is: no matter what single lens you decided to leave back in the cabinet, it will be the one you need that day's shoot.
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    Re: Screw the wishlist, we need a MF addicts HELP line!

    And the Guy Mancuso Axiom, the one that you most desire, happens to be the most expensive.

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    Jack, you are on the money with the want vs need thing but it's almost like there's a force of nature involved. When you get a new camera/back there's a momentum involved. When I was shooting Canon there weren't many of their lenses worth owning that I didn't have (not to mention all the exotics with adapters). With Nikon I swore I'd limit myself to the three zooms... then came the 85 1.4 and 24 PC-E (clearly must have lenses). Now it's happening all over again with MF lenses... I refuse to count them. I can't help but think Imelda Marcos somehow really needed all those shoes (2700 pairs according to TIME)

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    [QUOTE=Jack Flesher;32400]And a totally OT tidbit:

    This happens to be a shooting spot for our Southern France "Gourmet Photography" shoot whenever we get it scheduled, maybe when the dollar recovers a bit like spring 2010...

    Can I sign up now? If I avoid all the temptation of the 28mm, the 45-90mm, and the new 150mm, I might be able to save enough in 2 years!

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    David I cannot agree more with the momentum concept.
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    Re: Screw the wishlist, we need a MF addicts HELP line!

    Fundamental Theorem of Gear Acquisition.
    let f be a continuous real-valued function defined on a closed interval [a,b] where a=0 and b=total equity
    Let F be the function defined for all gear in [a,b]
    ⌠gear
    F(gear) = ❘ f(t)dt
    ⌡a

    and

    according to the squeeze theorem
    lim gear' = b
    gear->b

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    Bob is there a push and pull theorems along with your squeeze theorem? Perhaps this will accelerate my half life, T1/2 to a faster rate.
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    Re: Screw the wishlist, we need a MF addicts HELP line!

    Quote Originally Posted by Pham Minh Son View Post
    Bob is there a push and pull theorems along with your squeeze theorem? Perhaps this will accelerate my half life, T1/2 to a faster rate.
    Perhaps, but to be fair
    although the function F can be proved to be continuous over the interval of [a,b] the time valued series of acquisitions, which is needed to compute T1/2, is non-linear and possibly discontinuous, however it is intuitive that any acquisition xn
    where xn - sum(x1..xn-1) > 0 moves you in that direction
    This is possibly true for the first MF purchase

    -bob
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    Re: Screw the wishlist, we need a MF addicts HELP line!

    [QUOTE=RGoldman;32409]
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    And a totally OT tidbit:

    This happens to be a shooting spot for our Southern France "Gourmet Photography" shoot whenever we get it scheduled, maybe when the dollar recovers a bit like spring 2010...

    Can I sign up now? If I avoid all the temptation of the 28mm, the 45-90mm, and the new 150mm, I might be able to save enough in 2 years!
    Sure you can, but this one is likely to be a bit more expensive that our normal workshop. I have already arranged lodging (5 days in Arles, 5 in Avignon), group transportation in luxury busses, breakfast and gourmet dinners (or lunch) for every day, figure models for Les Beaux, figure models with Gypsy wild horses running in the surf on the Cremargue, a Bullfight in the Nimes arena, private evening reception/tour of the Van Gough museum in Arles, AND museum an shopping tours each day for the significant others you may want to bring that don't want to go to the photo destinations.

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    [QUOTE=Jack Flesher;32428]
    Quote Originally Posted by RGoldman View Post

    Sure you can, but this one is likely to be a bit more expensive that our normal workshop. I have already arranged lodging (5 days in Arles, 5 in Avignon), group transportation in luxury busses, breakfast and gourmet dinners (or lunch) for every day, figure models for Les Beaux, figure models with Gypsy wild horses running in the surf on the Cremargue, a Bullfight in the Nimes arena, AND museum an shopping tours for the significant others you may want to bring.

    ,
    These days we might just have to settle for a bit of bread, a bottle of wine and some Lyon sausage
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    Bob, I can save you the formula... I call it the "Flesher Ideal Gear-Flow Law." The simple result is, "The density of your wallet approaches zero as the volume of your gear increases toward ideal."

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    [QUOTE=Bob;32430]
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post

    These days we might just have to settle for a bit of bread, a bottle of wine and some Lyon sausage
    -bob
    Uh no... Chateaubriand with seared Foie Gras, accompanied by an unassuming Borgonne and succulent local Sauternes. Followed by a bitter greens salad with a Margoux. And of course, a perfect Gran Marnier Soufflé for dessert.

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    [QUOTE=Jack Flesher;32436]
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post

    Uh no... Chateaubriand with seared Foie Gras, accompanied by an unassuming Borgonne and succulent local Sauternes. Followed by a bitter greens salad with a Margoux. And of course, a perfect Gran Marnier Soufflé for dessert.

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    Gear or food?
    this is a test

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    I'd better keep buying Lotto tickets...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Bob, I can save you the formula... I call it the "Flesher Ideal Gear-Flow Law." The simple result is, "The density of your wallet approaches zero as the volume of your gear increases toward ideal."

    ,
    Wait I am putting this quote in the buy and sell section
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    Quote Originally Posted by David K View Post
    I'd better keep buying Lotto tickets...
    I need to start
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Here is a engraving from the "Inferno."

    It depicts Dante and Virgil photographing members of the GetDPI Medium Format Forum
    in the Second Level of Hell.

    More Levels to go folks ... get to selling and spending.
    Marc,

    This is really creepy and actually scary. I'm not kidding. One of the guys in the engraving looks EXACTLY like me. I wonder if the others look like the rest of you? What does this mean?! Oh my God..... save me.......

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    Re: Screw the wishlist, we need a MF addicts HELP line!

    My pusher called.

    New CF39 Multi-Shot Back (new LCD and IR filter version) with H mount iAdapter, H2F Camara ... @ a sensational "Loyality" price.

    Plus iAdapters for Hasselblad V, Mamiya RZ-Pro-II and Contax 645 mounts, each at 1/2 price.

    The 7th level of Hell is looming

    The only problem is that it leaves no place to go ... for now

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    Marc:

    In your case it sound more like the 7th level of self-actualization than it does hell
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    Hi, my name is Gary. I'm not infected with MF Digital G.A.S yet, but I'm teetering on the edge. The only thing standing between me and a new CFV-II or the new 503CWD-II announced by Steve Hendrix is....you guessed it....my wife. She will come around eventually.....

    In the mean time, my 501CM and 553ELX with an Epson 750 Pro scanner have served me well.

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    Easier to buy it than take your lashings later, than get beat up before you even have a chance.

    Kind of been around on this one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Easier to buy it than (and?) take your lashings later, than get beat up before you even have a chance.

    Kind of been around on this one
    Yes, I've been down that road many times already.

    I'm trying to "be good" this time around....we'll see how long that lasts.

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    Great intentions
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    Gary,

    Wouldn't you like to see the view from a bit closer to the edge of the slope? Go ahead, ease up a bit closer, you can really see it all from just at the edge of that slope!

    You'll be fine. Go ahead, take a peek...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bensonga View Post
    Hi, my name is Gary. I'm not infected with MF Digital G.A.S yet, but I'm teetering on the edge. The only thing standing between me and a new CFV-II or the new 503CWD-II announced by Steve Hendrix is....you guessed it....my wife. She will come around eventually.....

    In the mean time, my 501CM and 553ELX with an Epson 750 Pro scanner have served me well.

    Gary Benson
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    Hi Gary, this is your inner Devil speaking.

    You aren't going to allow yourself to be pussy-whipped are you? Real men carry real digital cameras, not one of those limp-wristed, tea sipping, flower sniffing small formats. Hell, you are in Alaska, land of tough men ... at least according to the TV documentary.

    Stand up to that milktoast inner angel and kick him to the curb. Just get the 503CWD. Your wifey will see you for the real he-man you are ... or she'll see a divorce lawyer. Either way, you'll join the manly man Medium Format Digital club ... some of which now live in their car

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    What car.
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    Re: Screw the wishlist, we need a MF addicts HELP line!

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    ... some of which now live in their car
    Oh yeah, I've been there, done that....although in my case it's been sleeping on a cot in the garage next to the new BMW or Ducati motorcycle I brought home, without prior discussion, approval or authorization.

    Actually, my wife has been more understanding of my expensive hobbies than any man could hope for in a spouse. She didn't even blink when I bought a new Ebony 45SU view camera last year or the new Mac Pro last month (2 quad core chips, 12 GB RAM, 1.5 TB of disk storage.....I think I've got enough computing horsepower to handle the image files from a MF digital back now).

    That new 503CFD-II with the 40mm lens is REALLY tempting.....I'd love to have the 40mm lens to add to my Hassy collection (currently I have 50mm, 80mm and 150mm CFE lenses).

    I might be giving Steve Hendrix a call sooner than I expected. After all, it's only money....and we can't take it with us into the next world, right?

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