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    New Purpose & help with MFD gear.

    Dear friends, I can't think of a better group to share a "refreshed" photographic purpose, and ask for advise on gear needed.

    Reason for a "New Purpose"
    : after a long and relatively successful career as an ad man, and 15+ years shooting commercial advertising images, weddings and portraits, I've decided to more fully retire. A working retirement to be precise.

    Advertising photography has all but evaporated in my area, and I sincerely believe what remains is best left to those needing to feed their families without competing with a "part-timer" retired person with no overhead to speak of. Weddings have become cut throat with the combination of the economic down-turn and influx of those willing to shoot at cut rate pricing. This is not to say that weddings aren't a viable source of purpose and income. However it requires a major investment in marketing time and capital, and anyone who has shot a wedding can grasp how physically taxing it can be ... not something I relish as I ease into retirement age. I will still shoot weddings, but far more selectively.

    Letting go of all this to some degree or another leaves me with less purpose ... and purpose has always been the fuel for me. So I began the search for a renewed photographic focus.

    Friends have urged teaching. I especially could be valuable in teaching advertising photography because of my ad career as art-director through Executive Creative Director on just about every category of product or service ... combined with commercial photographic knowledge. This is relatively rare at the teaching level. Teaching is also viable for wedding photography ... although less so as there are so many free wedding forums and a billion seminars. So, the former is still a possibility, the latter far less so.

    But teaching isn't what really interests me ... shooting is. (Teaching more selectively is a possibility).

    So, it dawned on me to try something totally different. I live in a small village that is packed with historical homes and quaint life ... the motto for Franklin Village is "The Town That Time Forgot." There is a very active historical preservation society here with a town museum ... and I've decided to volunteer to document Village life and all the historic places here ... and donate the results as art prints, books, and even calendars to help raise funds for the Historical Society. A pure labor of love and way to give back to the community that utilizes both photographic and graphic design talents and skills.

    A chief component of that will be doing panoramic photography ... which I've only dabbled in up to now. Sweeping views of the open common areas here as well as historic buildings in context to their current surroundings. Private historic homes, including their current owners in a sort of environmental portrait. All done in the various seasons.

    With my soon to be delivered H4D/60, and extensive lens and accessory selection, I'm there except for two components ... true Panoramic gear and a printer able to do relatively large archival prints (my current 3800 cannot do rolls, only 17" X 22"s). The objective is to record as faithfully as possible with as little post manipulation of overlap panos that may alter the minute details at a historical level.

    I'm inclined to go with Really Right Stuff for the pano gear, but want to make sure I get the right nodal slide for these bigger cameras and lenses. Advise and alternatives are welcome. Advise regarding the leveling base would also be most appreciated. Can this sort of thing be combined with the HTS/1.5, or is that impossibly complex? Please forgive my ignorance on these specific subjects

    Printer: 17" tall panos would probably easily suffice, but 40" or 50" wide would not be to wide. Are there roll papers that are archival? Is roll printing a nightmare or just as easy as sheet? I was thinking the Epson 4990 (SP4900HDR) Designer Edition, that comes with EFI eXpress RIP available for pre-order @ $3,000.

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._Designer.html

    It would be a struggle to place a larger printer in my studio BTW ... although if a bigger printer would be better I could find a way ... But I seriously doubt I need anything taller than 16" or 17" tall for the panos.

    Anything else I'm overlooking?

    Your thoughts and comments on any of this are most welcome, and many thanks for any insights you can share.

    -Marc

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    Consider a 24" printer; while 17" is fine for looooonnngg panoramas, squarer shots would look less impressive on a wall.

    The HP Z3200 has inks and paper available that will last very well, and does not seem to have the blocking-up problems that Epsons can be prone to.

    But it’s good to keep active (he says, approaching 59).

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    Re: New Purpose & help with MFD gear.

    The RRS nodal slide is nicely made, but not very large compared to the bulk of the H camera with, say, the 28 and the HTS, or the 35-90 zoom hanging on it. All the mounting is done via the camera base screw, then a quick-lock adapter to slide, slide to pan head, pan head to tripod. some sort of support under the lens would make sense.
    the panning base is only 2-3/4 diam, very nicely made, again compared to the scale of the H with lens, seems kind of dinky.

    I am sure they will hold up with reasonable care I'll try and assemble a set-up and send you a pic.

    I have one of the new Epson 9900 printers and roll feeding is excellent. Very easy to change rolls, change to sheet feed (single sheet only), etc. I use the standard Epson drivers with ICC profiles for the papers i use, (never use Matte, but switch from Epson to Innova or Fineart Pearl). 44" wide is way overkill, given that you can print a very long print, the 44" becomes the short dimension. For my use, I wanted 36 or so wide, not available, and the 7900 at 24 seemed too small. I ended up buying 50" wide rolls, table-sawing the roll to a 36" roll and a 14" roll to get best paper use.

    I also have the 4880 (17" wide) and gave up on roll feeding as the curl was a pain, causing head drag marks, etc. the roll is harder to fit and change, etc. i stopped roll feed entirely on this printer. I use Imageprint for the RIP driver and it is great. so easy to arrange multiple prints on a page, etc. (way too expensive for the 9900, however.) I don't print matte, so changing the black inks is not a problem for me. the sheet paper feeder works fine, something not available with the 9900

    If you ever want to hold a workshop, my guess is you could do very well!
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    Re: New Purpose & help with MFD gear.

    Hate to say it Marc the Cube is a great tool for Pano's and my Epson 7900 rocks the house for sure. Epson I believe does sell some archival roll paper for fine art work. It's 24 inches wide and I find really nice for Pano's. Jack has a nice setup on his cube that has a Nodal point rail on it.
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    Marc,

    Good luck on your new Mission. Sounds like fun!

    I've done some panos, so here's my experience. Started out with RRS setup for panos. I think it was the PG-02 package. Of course, coming from RRS, it's all top notch and worked perfectly. At the time I was shooting landscapes with 1Ds II and iDs III. Then I decided I needed a motorized pano head, so I ended up with the Rodeon VR Head from Germany. Very nice device that's operated by bluetooth on a PDA.

    Eventually, I ended up with a P65 and the Cube head. I suppose I could still use the RRS head or Rodeon, but hey, why bother? Instead of stitching 6-18 35mm images, now 2 or 3 images from the P65 gets me what I need. I really appreciate not having to lug that Rodeon everywhere (although it's a wonderful device if anyone wants to buy it...hehe).

    So, what's my point? It's the Cube my friend. It's the secret ingredient that makes setting up for a picture fun and easy.

    Now for printers: I rarely print less than 40" wide. Actually, my standard print is a 40" canvas. But several times a week, I'm printing 60-68" wide. So this doesn't really work without a 44" printer. But I'm out here in No-Man's Land and don't have the benefit of local labs to print for me. With a H4D/60, won't you have an urge to print big once and a while? I've been happy with Epson, now using 9800 with Colorburst RIP. Using roll paper, no problem. I build a rack near my printer to hold 5 different types and sizes of paper. Spindles are a minor pain (and expense) but maybe the new Epsons don't require spindles?

    Long Live the Cube!

    Bob

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    Oh, and one more thing. The next time I buy a printer, Ink Capacity will be something I'll look at closely. At the office we have an Epson R2400 (or something close to that). It's only used for one thing, printing transparencies. It seems like every time we turn that thing on we have to feed it a couple of those expensive tiny ink cartridges. Cost of ink easily surpasses the cost of the printer in a short time and it seems prudent to own a printer that uses larger ink cartridges.

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    Marc, thanks for sharing your thoughts and plans here; and congratulations. It sounds like a wonderful plan.

    Regarding roll printing: lots of great papers are available as roll stock, and yes, archival selection is good. I print primarily from roll paper and like Hahnemuhle papers. For best long-term results avoid papers with a lot of optical brightners added. The stock color of such papers will be less white at the start (perhaps most appropriate for your subject anyway) and will then tend not to yellow over time.

    I like Canon printers (ImagePROGRAF) which have had roll feeds for a long time and the inks performed well under Wilhelm tests for archival longevity. I like the Photoshop plug-in Canon provides, which acts like a mini-RIP.

    Obviously, Epson is the big player in the space and I like the 7XXX series. I agree with the comment above by Mediumcool: if you feel comfortable with the added expense, 24" is the way I'd go. Print on 17" paper all you want, but when you need wider you'll be glad to have the option.

    Sounds like great fun!

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    As jlm mentioned that "the curl was a pain" with roll paper: buy a D-roller and your prints will be as flat as sheet stock. Lots of recipes online to make a knockoff because the D-roller seems hideously expensive for what it is, but don't waste your time. Close your eyes and buy the commercial one and forget the price. Unless you like experimenting with homemade PVC and vinyl D.I.Y. projects and potentially messing up prints in the process.

    Many venders will discount the D-roller by $50 (or used to) if you order a roll of paper at the same time. See Shades of Paper or Booksmart Studios, etc.

    Edit: I see that Booksmart is still offering the $50 discount with purchase of a roll of paper. I have purchased from them and happy with them. THESE are the two sizes.

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    Re: New Purpose & help with MFD gear.

    Thanks so far, keep it coming

    Looks like a 24" wide printer is a wiser choice because ... yes ... there will be times I'll want to print larger standard images, especially given the H4D/60 files. Not everyone agrees, but I prefer using a RIP ...so I'll have to investigate current or coming Epsons with RIP that print 24" wide and takes roll paper. The paper curling comment does give me pause however ... I've experienced that even with some flat sheets.

    I have a RRS set-up that I've used quite a bit in studio which I like because I can rotate the camera from landscape to portrait ... kind of big, but I'll be working out of my SUV so size/weight is less of an issue. It seems sturdy enough in studio (even multi-shot) ... but outside may be a whole other matter. Definitely need a better ball head since the one I use is to tall, and I could see it introducing minor movement. Something stubbier?

    Here are some snaps of that set-up. (yes, I noticed that I have one of the rails upside down and have fixed that ... LOL!)

    -Marc

    BTW, how do you determine the nodal point of any given lens ... just visually center sans lens shade?

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    Re: New Purpose & help with MFD gear.

    Marc,

    Consider replacing your current arca clamp with a RRS PCL-1 as this will make leveling and setting your panorama base MUCH easier with a ball head. However, like others mentioned here, setting up panos with the CUBE is way, way easier than messing with a ballhead & pano clamp combination. I know we all sound like fan-boys in this respect but it's true.

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    Hi Marc,

    Sounds like a fun and rewarding project! Beats working thats for sure.

    If its any help the HC lens book has the position of all the nodal points of the HC/D lenses...

    http://www.hasselblad.com/media/1799...ns_book_v2.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Grover / Hasselblad View Post
    Hi Marc,

    Sounds like a fun and rewarding project! Beats working thats for sure.

    If its any help the HC lens book has the position of all the nodal points of the HC/D lenses...

    http://www.hasselblad.com/media/1799...ns_book_v2.pdf

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    That is a very nice reference to have handy.
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    Re: New Purpose & help with MFD gear.

    Quote Originally Posted by David Grover / Hasselblad View Post
    Hi Marc,

    Sounds like a fun and rewarding project! Beats working thats for sure.

    If its any help the HC lens book has the position of all the nodal points of the HC/D lenses...

    http://www.hasselblad.com/media/1799...ns_book_v2.pdf

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    Thanks David, quite helpful.

    -Marc

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    .......my current 3800 cannot do rolls, only 17" X 22"s).
    -Marc
    The 3800 can do 17 x 37 inch panoramas using the standard epson driver, and longer i would guess if using a third party rip.

    Just purchase 17 inch rolls and cut to length. The only area requiring practice is feeding the paper parallel. An advantage is that you can flatten the sheets before printing on them.

    A 17 x 37, matted and framed is quite impressive size wise.

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    Re: New Purpose & help with MFD gear.

    just found the HTS will interfere with the RRS pano rail. This is with a RRS right angle bracket on the camera.

    the right angle bracket locates the dovetails perpendicular to the lens axis, the pano rail clamp has it's dovetail clamp perpendicular to the lens axis, this is good. But the extension of the HTS below the body will bump into the pano rail, worse when shifted. looks like about a 1-1/2" high spacer block would be needed. this would have a dovetail on the bottom and a clamp on the top.

    in portrait mode, the HTS knobs are on the bottom, problem is worse.

    I use the nodal slide MPR-CL II for the pano rail; this rail with camera/lens will slide in the tripod head clamp to set the pivot at the lens node
    Looks like the BEX1.75 vertical extension with clamp would solve the HTS interference problem by raising the camera 1-3/4" above teh nodal rail

    what the Cube offers is a panning plane of top of the geared leveling segments. Most other tripod heads require yet another device, the PCL-1 panning clamp, in between the nodal slide and the tripod head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    just found the HTS will interfere with the RRS pano rail. This is with a RRS right angle bracket on the camera.

    the right angle bracket locates the dovetails perpendicular to the lens axis, the pano rail clamp has it's dovetail clamp perpendicular to the lens axis, this is good. But the extension of the HTS below the body will bump into the pano rail, worse when shifted. looks like about a 1-1/2" high spacer block would be needed. this would have a dovetail on the bottom and a clamp on the top.

    in portrait mode, the HTS knobs are on the bottom, problem is worse.

    I use the nodal slide MPR-CL II for the pano rail; this rail with camera/lens will slide in the tripod head clamp to set the pivot at the lens node
    Looks like the BEX1.75 vertical extension with clamp would solve the HTS interference problem by raising the camera 1-3/4" above teh nodal rail

    what the Cube offers is a panning plane of top of the geared leveling segments. Most other tripod heads require yet another device, the PCL-1 panning clamp, in between the nodal slide and the tripod head.
    Isn't that what the Spacer that came with the HTS is for? Although you may have to use the Hasselblad H coupler to mount the camera rather than the RSS QR, or mount a Arca type plate to the bottom of the spacer (which does have 1/4" and 5/8" holes).

    -Marc

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    Re: New Purpose & help with MFD gear.

    WaHoooo!

    Just got off the phone with a key player of Franklin's Historical Society, and he is absolutely delighted with the idea. He will set up a meeting with other key board members right after Christmas!

    He loved every idea I bounced off of him ... man, I feel energized. To give back to the community I've lived in all these years, and do something that'll be part of Franklin's record for a long, long time ... priceless!

    Keep the gear info coming ...

    I gotta really get into archival now, more so now than ever before.

    -Marc

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    Awesome . Still recommend a 7900 printer. I absolutely love mine. Besides that it is so fine tuned to my monitor it is scary. I'm running a NEC 30 inch wide gamut.
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    Marc: I forgot about that little adapter...

    when i count joints: camera to RRS right angle bracket, RRS to block, block to "adapter' plate, adapter plate to nodal rail, nodal rail to panning head, panning head to tripod head. (cube might eliminate one separate joint, but has redundant panning below the levelling part, yet another joint)

    it is all about minimizing the number of joints and overhang. I may look into a custom solution

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    Hi Marc,

    You are about 5 years ahead of me on the retirement schedule (I HOPE!) and I am going to watch your progress like a hawk.

    I think the 4900 is a great option ... I have had one sitting in my cart at BH for almost a week...but all of the complaints about head clogging has kept me from pulling the trigger. And this is from one who has used Epson forever with Colorbyte IP. I have an Epson 3800 and can let it sit for months and with a small clearing cycle get perfect prints. Wasting paper and time does not appeal to me.


    Look at the Lula threads about the 7900 and the IPF 8300/6300's.

    I do think that 24 inch printers will serve you better than a 17 inch...especially with 3x4 or 5x7 rather than 2x3 format. Uncurling the paper will not be that big of a deal.

    Andy Biggs just dropped a 9900 and kept the IPF 8300 as he was having severe problems with the clogging. He also has a HP printer. I have his BW African safari limited edition print portfolio...printed on Moab Entrada Rag and the man can print....knows his stuff.

    http://www.theglobalphotographer.com...available.html

    I will probably run with the Canon IPF 6350 and use my Eye One Extreme to profile papers...with rebate and special pricing it is less than the 4900.


    Should you get adventurous with your vacation time I can recommend a few wonderful Non-GHO's who would love to avail themselves of your expertise...

    For instance:

    http://www.mercyships.org/volunteer/index/

    Specifically:

    Videographer bottom of page

    http://www.mercyships.org/positions/P40/

    These guys have no idea how you could improve their material...and not really need intense video...your wedding skills would blow them away. Take a look around the website and blog:

    http://www.mercyships.org/pages/mercyships-mission

    http://www.mercyships.org/news


    I am seriously jealous at your opportunities...keep us posted.

    And congratulations. Well deserved. Spend it well.

    Bob

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    Oh...

    If you go with them I will let you take my Sony EX1R....

    No need to get additional stuff!


    Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    Hi Marc,


    I think the 4900 is a great option ... I have had one sitting in my cart at BH for almost a week...but all of the complaints about head clogging has kept me from pulling the trigger.
    Bob
    Where are you seeing info on head clogging on the 4900??? I have one on the way and will change to a 7900 or stick with my 3800 if there are truly problems. I was at a seminar at Calumet and the instructor a well known photographer who does his own printing has been using the printer for a while (I believe he is a tester) and was raving about the 4900.

    Marc - not trying to hijack here. Sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Where are you seeing info on head clogging on the 4900??? I have one on the way and will change to a 7900 or stick with my 3800 if there are truly problems. I was at a seminar at Calumet and the instructor a well known photographer who does his own printing has been using the printer for a while (I believe he is a tester) and was raving about the 4900.

    Marc - not trying to hijack here. Sorry
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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Where are you seeing info on head clogging on the 4900??? I have one on the way and will change to a 7900 or stick with my 3800 if there are truly problems. I was at a seminar at Calumet and the instructor a well known photographer who does his own printing has been using the printer for a while (I believe he is a tester) and was raving about the 4900.

    Marc - not trying to hijack here. Sorry
    Terry,

    My assumption is that the head is using the exact tech in the 79/9900....all sorts of threads where many individuals are having problems with clogs in those machines. It is a problem that seems sporadic and perhaps related to humidity and frequency of use....higher humidity and commercial use seems to be less likely to experience this problem. However one would assume that Guy (in Arizona) would have seen this with his 7900 if the low humidity is the only issue.

    As I print in spells with long intervals in between I am loathe to be the first to jump on the new printer until we know if its experience parallels that of its larger predecessors. Hope that my concerns are unfounded as I have always loved the 3800 output with Image Print.

    If this is not out of line, I would refer you to the newest thread concerning this ... as of this past week:

    http://www.luminous-landscape.com/fo...?topic=49500.0

    Again, the technology is derivative in the 4900 from these printers and there has been no mention of improvement or change with regard to this problem so caution may be in order.

    Additionally, there is some suggestion of pizza wheel marking in the 4900 for thicker paper stock.

    Objectively the straight paper path, multipaper support and third party RIP software still makes it a compelling choice. I held off on buying a 4880 for a year in expectation of the 4900...not enough news about Epson rectifying this "problem?" to make me completely at ease with it as a first choice. Having said that I am not in a production environment and losing a bit of time is not crucial....however I tend to change printers only when a new threshold has been attained with respect to output.

    A 24 inch Canon IPF 63/6350 at less than the Epson is tempting as the heat process in the Canon and HP line seems to obviate some of the clog issues found in the Epson.

    I would love to hear others impressions so I can clear my shopping cart or have the 4900 shipped.

    Thanks,

    Bob

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    Adding to the off topic-ness.

    I own a ipf6100. I love it. I had a Epson 2200 before it that just clogged and clogged. My printer sits for a month between runs with no clogs and it fires up and delivers 100-200 linear feet of 24" wide prints without batting an eyelash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Where are you seeing info on head clogging on the 4900??? I have one on the way and will change to a 7900 or stick with my 3800 if there are truly problems. I was at a seminar at Calumet and the instructor a well known photographer who does his own printing has been using the printer for a while (I believe he is a tester) and was raving about the 4900.

    Marc - not trying to hijack here. Sorry
    Terry,

    Can you spin this part of the thread from #22 on off into a new thread....would like to return to Marc's original post and keep it on topic.

    Apologies to all for sending this out of bounds.

    Bob

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    Re: New Purpose & help with MFD gear.

    I will leave these here for right now and start a new thread copying the same posts. Part of what Marc needs to do is figure out printing so not totally irrelevant but as you say the topic does deserve its own thread.

    To continue the discussion on printing:

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21927

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    Re: New Purpose & help with MFD gear.

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    I will leave these here for right now and start a new thread copying the same posts. Part of what Marc needs to do is figure out printing so not totally irrelevant but as you say the topic does deserve its own thread.
    Thanks,

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    Re: New Purpose & help with MFD gear.

    I added my comments about the 7900 on the Printing forum also.
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    Re: New Purpose & help with MFD gear.

    Just reading this thread and to get back to Marc's pano gear question; Is anyone using the new RRS "PG-02 Omni-Pivot Package". I am thinking of upgrading my RRS "Omni_Pivot" with the new, heavier arm for MF use.

    As an aside, I gave up with the ball-head for the pano gear, a real PITA. The new RRS leveling base (fits series 3 Gitzo and RRS TVC-33) is very quick to level and if precise geared movement isn't needed, is a lot cheaper than the "CUBE". For general landscape use, an RRS leveling base and PCL-1 clamp is a quick, lightweight set up.

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    Re: New Purpose & help with MFD gear.

    In your original post you mention having been encouraged to teach and I'd like to add another vote for that possibility. Your background and experience is rare. In spite of all the advertising we've all been exposed to, there aren't many individuals with your experience who've created it on such a high level.

    I'm guessing that students enrolled in the more elite schools have some access to people with a CV like yours, but there are many more individuals out there who won't have opportunities like that. Week-long workshops (like they do at the Maine Media Workshops) would allow some aspiring photographers to absorb some of the aspects of commercial photography from you that you can't learn anywhere else. For example: What does an Ad Agency look for in a photographer when they start the selection process? How do you get your foot in the door? Beyond the technical, what other qualities might one need? You get the idea and I'm sure you know better than I do what kind of information could actually help.

    So yeah, you might not be shooting (depends on the course structure I guess), but you'd be among an interesting group of faculty, some of whom are pretty bright lights in the photographic world themselves. And, there's always that chance that one of your pupils will be inspired by you in some way and go on to greatness.

    Just a thought. Best of luck on whatever your new stage brings.
    Tim

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