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LOL Not yet , maybe next year. Mamiya AFDIII and the new Phase One are one in the same . If you buy a new Phase back you et a new Phase One body and 80D lens. Right now i am shooting with a loaner AFD which i hate. So just waiting on my final piece to be delivered. Should be any day now. Along with about 6 other members that just bought new Phase backs.Ah, got it. I was half expecting Guy to say he'd decided to trade up to a P45+ :ROTFL:
Maybe the 60mpx back announced at Photokinia. LOL I do wonder what is coming next though.Boys will be boys!
I can bet ya that Guy will have a P45+ rather sooner than later,not to be outdone by his running mate Jack Flesher.
Cheers,
Willem.
Steve, I want to publicly admit that I have made a TERRIBLE choice of words in my earlier note, and that never once have I heard you (or Dave McRitchie) "complain", about anything. Rather, the more accurate wording should have indicated that both you and Dave "share my concerns" in this backorder situation. Again, I want to thank you for the professional support and service you have provided to me and others in the MF community over the years....
I have to also say that I have not issued any complaint regarding the delay in the product to anyone publicly or privately. I've had plenty of experience with product delays - many much more severe than this one, unfortunately - and it is an unfortunate part of the industry we serve, with technically advanced products that rely on delivery of multiple components in an extremely competitive marketplace. I have on occasion expressed frustration when ship dates have been off by months and months. I have not expressed any complaint in this situation. I am traveling this week with Dave McRitchie of Sinar and while he cannot publicly post on forums (company policy), he can read them, and he stated the same to me regarding any complaining to Sinar.
Steve Hendrix
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Agree completely and might make an interesting topic for another post, i.e. what improvements would you like to see in your back. I'm guessing that a bigger, brighter viewfinder ala Nikon D3 would be up near the top of many lists. Even out on the beach I can see that screen, hit a button to zoom and know if I've nailed it within two seconds or so.I agree 60 mpx is going over the top for me. No way i would buy one . I think the max at 39mpx today is way more than enough. Rather see other improvements to the backs than more Pixels.
Bob, this is not technically true. The Sinar 54H back is capable of producing 89 MPix in 645 format. I use this back with both Hasselblad V and Contax 645 cameras, and I assure you that it is not lens limited. In fact, this back produces superior image quality with perhaps one of the highest signal to noise ratios on the market today, since it achieves this resolution with large 9 micron pixels and multiple shots. There is full RGB color information at every RGB pixel location, so there is no need for software interpolation to estimate the missing 33% of the image data from single shot backs. The result is incredible image quality with no artifacts.60 MPix in a 4.5 X 6 format would result in about the same lp/mm resolution capability of the current M8 sensor. This would create a lens limited platform. Unfortunately, the physics of it all would reduce the signal to noise ratio as well just due to photon shot noise, so some of the MF-ness would go away.
-bob
Guy, the next step up in image quality is with the multi-shot backs. There is even a significant leap in quality going from a single-shot 39MPix back to a four-shot 39MPix back. Again, the reason is that the single-shot backs only capture one color per pixel and so must estimate the remaining 33% of the image data that it does not capture. For the most part, the software estimation of this missing information does a decent job, but it is no substitute for actually capturing all of the genuine RGB information with the back itself.I agree 60 mpx is going over the top for me. No way i would buy one . I think the max at 39mpx today is way more than enough. Rather see other improvements to the backs than more Pixels.
The per-pixel noise might drop to DSLR levels but remember that the enlargement is much lower, so the noise is less apparent on these large files.Unfortunately, the physics of it all would reduce the signal to noise ratio as well just due to photon shot noise, so some of the MF-ness would go away.
-bob
Just correcting my own mistake....software is needed to estimate 66% of the missing image information for all single-shot backs...amazing when you think about it... Again, the reason is that the single-shot backs only capture one color per pixel and so must estimate the remaining 33% of the image data that it does not capture. ...
David - that is ok. I appreciate you posting this publicly, but it's really difficult to write on forums, I think. It's so easy to have a feeling you're trying to convey, and just be typing away, and it comes out all wrong. I've certainly done it enough times.Steve, I want to publicly admit that I have made a TERRIBLE choice of words in my earlier note, and that never once have I heard you (or Dave McRitchie) "complain", about anything. Rather, the more accurate wording should have indicated that both you and Dave "share my concerns" in this backorder situation. Again, I want to thank you for the professional support and service you have provided to me and others in the MF community over the years.
David
David,Bob, this is not technically true. The Sinar 54H back is capable of producing 89 MPix in 645 format. I use this back with both Hasselblad V and Contax 645 cameras, and I assure you that it is not lens limited.
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David
Granted to some degree, but not if the reason one buys the larger back is to print larger and maintain a better than 6lp.mm final resolution.The per-pixel noise might drop to DSLR levels but remember that the enlargement is much lower, so the noise is less apparent on these large files.
I think people forget that when they look at the noise of a 33/39MP back at 100% and compare with a DSLR. MF can get away with a lot more noise. If they look comparable on a per-pixel basis, the MF image will appear to have much less noise at final output size.
The Sinar 54H back is capable of producing 89 MPix in 645 format. I use this back with both Hasselblad V and Contax 645 cameras, and I assure you that it is not lens limited. In fact, this back produces superior image quality with perhaps one of the highest signal to noise ratios on the market today, since it achieves this resolution with large 9 micron pixels and multiple shots. There is full RGB color information at every RGB pixel location, so there is no need for software interpolation to estimate the missing 33% of the image data from single shot backs. The result is incredible image quality with no artifacts.
David
Thierry, you must have missed my post above. I already corrected myself.True what David says: amazing quality out of a 22 MPx sensor. Do use the best possible lenses like HR lenses and you shall be blown away when doing a 16-shot.
BTW: it is not 33% of the colour/luminance information which is missing and has to be interpolated, but 2 out of 3 basic colour out of RGB are not registered for each pixels, thus 66% has to be interpolated.
Thierry
Thierry, you must have missed my post above. I already corrected myself.
Also, I prefer the Hasselblad lenses over the HR ones since the close focusing abilities are superior (e.g., the floating elements of the 40 CFE IF). The HR lenses are corrected only for infinity, have too large a close focusing distance for me, and their image circles are not large enough to accommodate any significant movements. In fact, if anyone eventually makes a full frame square sensor, the HR lenses will not be able to cover the 55x55 image circle.
David
Bob, the sensor is "Bayer-limited", and is the primary reason why most "decent" lenses do not yet limit the image capture (although it is possible for some lenses that are of truly lesser quality)....
Please if you will, point out the errors in my reasoning.
thanks
-bob