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    Ive been more then happy with my H4D-40 as a landscape camera.. I guess it depends on your shooting style though was using the 35-90mm for quite some time and now Ive had the 28mm for a month and its supurb and if I need wider I stitch
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    Australians drink Fosters? Haven't seen that happening in Oz for a lot of years. Anyway, I carry a hip flask of single malt Whiskey when hiking - it definitely weighs less than a Cube. I will say, though, that if you were only going to have one tripod head, the Cube is one of the best choices you can make. (The new Linhof is pretty nifty too). I am spoilt for choice, so I carry the lightest when hiking. It leaves more capacity for whiskey.
    Pete, I tried to make a list of all the Alpa's shortcomings, but none of them seemed important enough to justify the effort....
    Instruction manuals? Every time I stuff up, I refer to the relevant manual (of course, I carry these with me - NOT!)and it invariably directs me to the page that says, "Fault between boots and shutter-release". Sigh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dick View Post
    I agree that DOF is seldom a major problem with Wide-Angles, unless you want your toes in focus, or some flowers in the foreground.

    Some of us use lenses longer that 23mm... and I took this (as a DOF exercise) with a 300mm lens on a 50Mpx DSLR, f20, MLU.

    The brick building in the distance is at about 500m, and I focused so that the foreground and distance seemed equally unsharp... and the tarmac in the foreground looks sharp, and everything beyond the black car looks soft, and you cannot quite read the number plate on the white car (at about 500m)... I should have focused farther away, as suggested by Merklinger, or used DOF merge.

    I do have a Disto - I bought it to survey a garden for deed plans, thinking it might be useful for photography, and, when using longer lenses for architecture, I expect to use it to measure "J" to calculate my tilt angle.
    You make an important point here. Whilst the majority of landscape shooters seem to be shooting with wides, many are also using mid-to-long lenses. For these guys, placing focus IS critical. In this situation, the combination of a laser distometer and the new ALPA precision focussing rings is one of the best solutions I've seen.
    If someone else has has a different, workable, solution, I'm sure we'd all like to hear it. How do the Horseman/Arca/Sinar/Linhof crew deal with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by siebel View Post
    You make an important point here. Whilst the majority of landscape shooters seem to be shooting with wides, many are also using mid-to-long lenses. For these guys, placing focus IS critical. In this situation, the combination of a laser distometer and the new ALPA precision focussing rings is one of the best solutions I've seen.
    If someone else has has a different, workable, solution, I'm sure we'd all like to hear it. How do the Horseman/Arca/Sinar/Linhof crew deal with this?

    Cheers,
    Here I am still trying to talk myself out of an Alpa. I do suspect that as you move from wide to long the tech camera solution looses some of its advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggriswold View Post
    If you can't spend the bucks for the Alpa you may find the Cambo RS suitable. I am really happy with the Cambo RS. It holds the back and lens parallel, it's compact, has movements ... totally stays out of my way. I use with P40+... clamp it on my tripod and go about shooting.
    For another Australian, the unfortunate nomenclature of the [surely] estimable Cambo RS has us antipodeans .

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    Quote Originally Posted by siebel View Post
    Jurgen, and anyone else who may have been offended, I apologise unreservedly. I often make the mistake of assuming that the Aussie tradition to use irony, even to the extent of "taking the piss" to make a point is common elsewhere. Once again, I am reminded that it is not. Sorry.

    The point remains that simplicity is in my view a virtue. We (and I include myself in this) have a tendency to over complicate things. My attraction to the ALPA range in general, and the STC in particular is that it loudly and proudly takes the opposite approach.
    Accepted . Full stop . No further words required .

    Quote Originally Posted by siebel View Post
    Australians drink Fosters? Haven't seen that happening in Oz for a lot of years. Anyway, I carry a hip flask of single malt Whiskey when hiking - it definitely weighs less than a Cube. I will say, though, that if you were only going to have one tripod head, the Cube is one of the best choices you can make. (The new Linhof is pretty nifty too). I am spoilt for choice, so I carry the lightest when hiking. It leaves more capacity for whiskey.
    Pete, I tried to make a list of all the Alpa's shortcomings, but none of them seemed important enough to justify the effort....
    Instruction manuals? Every time I stuff up, I refer to the relevant manual (of course, I carry these with me - NOT!)and it invariably directs me to the page that says, "Fault between boots and shutter-release". Sigh...

    Cheers,
    As far as simplicity is concerned , you might have a look to this thread :

    http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17485

    Additional to that , I would like to mention , that bloke , who needs a user manual when working with an ALPA , should not be shooting at all , not even with a P&S thingy .
    And , I will turn on my "aussi irony alert bit" , when reading "aussi" contributions in future . I might not always be successful doing that , but I will try my very best .

    BTW , I have nothing against aussies , the contrary is true . My very best friend is a born "aussi" and lives in the big smoke of Melbourne .
    Regards . Jürgen .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Campbell View Post
    Here I am still trying to talk myself out of an Alpa. I do suspect that as you move from wide to long the tech camera solution looses some of its advantage.

    Don't try to talk yourself out of an ALPA . You will loose anyway .
    I share your view for "wide and long" lenses .
    I only use the ALPA for lenses from 28 - 90 mm .
    Usually , when I go to a location , I know in advance , what kind of lenses I would need .
    For all lenses longer than my DIGARON-W 90 , I will take my HASSELBLAD V-SYSTEM or even my ARCA F-LINE METRIC 6x9 , when shifting is required .

    Tomorrow , at high noon , I will get my STC . Can't wait .
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    Quote Originally Posted by jotloob View Post
    Tomorrow , at high noon , I will get my STC .
    Hope everything has been setup properly, so you can post the link to the unpacking video in time :-)

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    Typing on a page often leads to misunderstandings and sometimes what peopel say follows on from the previous few paragraphs rather than teh whole picture.

    My comments on focussing regarding the Alpa were specifically based on the lenses I use in the main the Schneider 35mm and the 24mm. I use an Alpa ONLY for wide angle shooting - because of the convenience of its form and design combined with the ease of focussing wide angles.

    I would not choose to use a longer focal length - exactly because of the increasing challenge of focusing as you increase focal length - except and unless I knew I would be shooting at or around infinity.

    For longer than around 35mm in tech cameras in the field - a MFD or 35mm and super teles ( not my thing) camera and lens starts to achieve many advantages over the Alpa (IMHO).

    IF I were to be not concerned with size and portability and wanted movements and ground glass focussing then I would go with an artec or an arca swiss - certainly in a studio environment when one would wish to use movements for portrait or product work - the above two or other choices would be far superior - again (IMHO)

    So the Alpa ( for me) is a very specialised and elegant solution in its sweet spot of use - wide angles and digi back on the move - typically thsi will be for travel shooting, landscape and reportage type phtoography.

    Again and always horse for courses.

    I have ordered my STC.

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    Hi All

    Ive been reading this tread with interest... my 2 cents is - I agree that with wide lenses you can up to a point use the guess,point and shoot method , but for optimal results with a precision camera a prefer to take a little more care. I dont see how/why you can use shift without a tripod and you certainly need a precise setup ala the cube for anything with a tilt.One of my most used lenses is the HR 90 - its a stunner - you do need to focus carefully , when used with tilt you can get amazing results .A typical setup with the 90 would be camera about 4ft off the ground and 5degree tilt and then focus.Using f8 you can achieve 100% depth of field on the ground.To me thats what tech cameras are all about - sure they can be a pain in the proverbial to cart about and setup but used carefully they perform tasks that are just not otherwise possible. I will post an example when Im back at my main computer.
    Cheers JOHN

    BTW I dont know any Australian who drinks fosters - do they still make it?

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    Hi All

    Ive been reading this tread with interest... my 2 cents is - I agree that with wide lenses you can up to a point use the guess,point and shoot method , but for optimal results with a precision camera a prefer to take a little more care. I dont see how/why you can use shift without a tripod and you certainly need a precise setup ala the cube for anything with a tilt.One of my most used lenses is the HR 90 - its a stunner - you do need to focus carefully , when used with tilt you can get amazing results .A typical setup with the 90 would be camera about 4ft off the ground and 5degree tilt and then focus.Using f8 you can achieve 100% depth of field on the ground.To me thats what tech cameras are all about - sure they can be a pain in the proverbial to cart about and setup but used carefully they perform tasks that are just not otherwise possible. I will post an example when Im back at my main computer.
    Cheers JOHN

    BTW I dont know any Australian who drinks fosters - do they still make it?

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    Hey Guys,

    Don't you know that,

    "Fosters-Its Australian for Bier"

    At least that's what American television tells us. So it must be true!

    Best,
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    Gentlemen,

    I was hesitant to say this before as there was a bit of heat being generated in the discussion - but Fosters hasnt been made in Australia or even sold in Australia for over ten years...



    Pete

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    Gentlemen,

    I was hesitant to say this before as there was a bit of heat being generated in the discussion - but Fosters hasnt been made in Australia or even sold in Australia for over ten years...



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    Last time I was there I was drinking VB & Tooheys. Can't remember about XXX but if there's one thing you can rely on it's that an Aussi knows his beer

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    Gentlemen,

    it is XXXX ( 4 ex) the Queenslanders Beer.
    My favourite local is Coopers Pale Ale and Beez Knees ( nice boutique malt)

    Cheers

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    Ahhhhhhh

    This calls for a meeting in the HOFBRÄUHAUS in Munich .

    Cheers .
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    Gentlemen,

    it is XXXX ( 4 ex) the Queenslanders Beer.
    My favourite local is Coopers Pale Ale and Beez Knees ( nice boutique malt)

    Cheers
    I am a Queenslander, through and through, yet I wouldn't drink XXXX even if the alternative was dying of thirst. It's bloody awful stuff.

    Jurgen, I'll drop you a line next time I'm in Munich. It will be my pleasure to buy the first round.

    2 sleeps 'till I can shim my Leaf Aptus 12 for my Alpa STC.

    Watch the photo blogs for something big next week....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jotloob View Post
    Ahhhhhhh

    This calls for a meeting in the HOFBRÄUHAUS in Munich .

    Cheers .
    Good plan Jurgen - I like the size of those big jars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    Gentlemen,

    I was hesitant to say this before as there was a bit of heat being generated in the discussion - but Fosters hasnt been made in Australia or even sold in Australia for over ten years...



    Pete

    Sorry ...I was last in Australia in the mid 1970's ...Is it still dry in the middle?

    The best known and most advertised Scotch whiskeys are not the favorites among the Scots.

    ...but when comparing the weight of a cube to a can of larger or beer, perhaps the brand is irrelevant?
    Last edited by dick; 18th January 2011 at 04:07. Reason: Deleted XXXX parapraph

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    Quote Originally Posted by jotloob View Post
    Ahhhhhhh

    This calls for a meeting in the HOFBRÄUHAUS in Munich .

    Cheers .
    What about somethig more traditional here in Munich :-P

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    Quote Originally Posted by siebel View Post

    Watch the photo blogs for something big next week....

    Cheers,
    You mean Phase "P85" or what ever they will call it ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    You mean Phase "P85" or what ever they will call it ;-)
    Tut. Tut. Christopher.
    Whatever that thing is going to be called, it's not due till September.
    Don't you read the blogs?
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    You know there are many blogs out there ,-)

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    Hendrick Haakonen just told me there's a new set of cables coming soon.....

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    Look like I was quite right tonsite out the Aptus 12 and wait a few more weeks for the new phase back.

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    Thanks to all , who helped with their ideas for a good solution for a QR plate for the ALPA STC .

    I have checked all possibilities over again .
    The RRS plates all look very nice , but are very difficult to get here .
    The ARCA plates , and there are many , are not quite what I was looking for .
    So I ended up at NOVOFLEX again . You can slide the QPL-1 plates into the CUBE either way , which I think is very handy . But I do not like the blue finish .
    I will have to do some rework to the plates , which I will do next week .
    I will show you my solution , when the rework is done .

    The STC has arrived last week . What a beautyful piece of camera .
    No shooting done so far . The handling is much easier than with the SWA .
    She is very good in my hand , even she has only one handle . (Rosewood for snobs) .
    I am thinking about trading in my SWA for an IQ180 . I know , it will take some extra k€s .
    I made this sidenote intentionally here , to spread the PHASE IQ discussion also into this thread . Hopefully .
    OK. I would never need an IQ180 but am seriously looking to the specs of the IQ160 again and again .
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    Quote Originally Posted by mediumcool View Post
    For another Australian, the unfortunate nomenclature of the [surely] estimable Cambo RS has us antipodeans .
    To all you non Aussies, "RS" in Aussie slang means "Rat-****".

    Unfortunate indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jotloob View Post
    The RRS plates all look very nice , but are very difficult to get here .
    Juergen, when I ordered from them, it took only three or four days to get the stuff to Berlin. However, what you pay for postage isn't what I would call a bargain but that's not the fault of RRS ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jotloob View Post
    Thanks to all , who helped with their ideas for a good solution for a QR plate for the ALPA STC .

    The STC has arrived last week . What a beautyful piece of camera .
    No shooting done so far . The handling is much easier than with the SWA .
    She is very good in my hand , even she has only one handle . (Rosewood for snobs) .

    I am thinking about trading in my SWA for an IQ180 . I know , it will take some extra k€s .
    I made this sidenote intentionally here , to spread the PHASE IQ discussion also into this thread . Hopefully .
    OK. I would never need an IQ180 but am seriously looking to the specs of the IQ160 again and again .
    Congratulations on the STC - I too have orderd one with rosewood handle.
    I like the user interface and functionality of what Phase One IQ series is offering - this will make it easier to shoot longer focal lengths on Alpa as focussing will be easier
    I need some help to understand why 60 or 80 megapixels is useful...
    apart from internet pixel peeping competitions?

    I wish the 40 was full frame - but the STC will allow for easy stitching anyway..
    perfect world for me would have been Leaf employing same user interface as Phase One - that way I could order an Afi/Hy6 mount - strange why Phase doesn't do this mount..

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    Congratulations on the STC - I too have orderd one with rosewood handle.
    I like the user interface and functionality of what Phase One IQ series is offering - this will make it easier to shoot longer focal lengths on Alpa as focussing will be easier
    I need some help to understand why 60 or 80 megapixels is useful...
    apart from internet pixel peeping competitions?

    I wish the 40 was full frame - but the STC will allow for easy stitching anyway..
    perfect world for me would have been Leaf employing same user interface as Phase One - that way I could order an Afi/Hy6 mount - strange why Phase doesn't do this mount..
    Thank you Peter for your congratulations and I would very much like to congratulate you too .
    Have you already got your STC ? ? ? You will be delighted .

    I can not announce a marriage between my STC + DIGARON-S/W and an IQ160 yet , but there might eventually be an engagement . Also , I would like to get the first real user reports . I am impatiently waiting .
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