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    Re: Special Announcement: Phase One new IQ backs

    Quote Originally Posted by ddanois View Post
    I'm a bit confused on the upgrade pricing discussion. I thought that Phase One were providing 90% purchased price protection for an upgrade within 18 months of original purchase?
    Correct. Anyone who bought a back new (i.e. not upgrade/refurb) during that program will have 90% of what they paid for that back towards an upgrade to a larger back. The above poster bought before the Investment Guarantee Program was created.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Good question, just bad that it doesn't help me, after I spent already 40k in EURs on a P65, but well that was more like 22 months ago
    You still get 65% off if you want to upgrade to an IQ180.

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    Doug, does this mean I could trade up from an Aptus 12 to an iq 180 for 8800 usd?

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    Only for those purchase around/after october 2010, mine was like a few months before

    Quote Originally Posted by ddanois View Post
    I'm a bit confused on the upgrade pricing discussion. I thought that Phase One were providing 90% purchased price protection for an upgrade within 18 months of original purchase?

    Is this not correct?

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    Re: Special Announcement: Phase One new IQ backs

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpetersonci View Post
    You still get 65% off if you want to upgrade to an IQ180.
    Does that mean if I trade in both my P65 and p21 I will get 86% discount

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    they should renew the policy so people who bought the back 1-4 months before will not feel cheated!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Does that mean if I trade in both my P65 and p21 I will get 86% discount
    Good one.

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    Re: Special Announcement: Phase One new IQ backs

    Well I just published my editorial and the press release and would appreciate some comments and support on my blog.

    Phase One Announces IQ Series Digital Camera Backs - Echenique dot com http://bit.ly/fRCLgR

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    Re: Special Announcement: Phase One new IQ backs

    Definitely interested in the P40+ -> IQ140 cross grade pricing. Luckily I'm in the 90% protection window against a new back (bought mine new Oct 2010), although I did get a great deal which I guess is less useful against an upgrade at full retail alas. Does that protection only apply if moving to a higher MP back or to a new version? It's not 100% clear.

    It certainly looks like the things I love about my Leaf + the good things I love about the P40+ have merged into the new backs!

    Now I can't justify the upgrade but I sure as heck WANT it ...

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    I went out to buy a bag . Lol

    But did not. Thought it would help. NOT
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    Re: Special Announcement: Phase One new IQ backs

    Well, I'm in the 20% discount bracket but I'm not willing to trade in my current back because I love the square format so that leaves me with 0% discount!

    So my strategy for now is to sit tight and wait for Guy to trade either up or across for an IQ back, then wait until he gets a second itch to trade up again and list his first IQ back on the buy and sell and then maybe I'll have a chance. If history proves me correct, the wait should not be that long!!!

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    >and wait for Guy to trade either up or across for an IQ back

    I would wait for Jack :-)
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    Re: Special Announcement: Phase One new IQ backs

    Honestly, I do like the improved tech, no question. HOWEVER >>> When I upgraded to the P65+ from the P45+, there was not a significant gain in IQ; I did it because of the smoother color and tonality. In my usage right now, the improved tech will gain me little -- I have very few lost frames due to technical, focus or exposure issues from my P65+/DF and current AF lens combos. And the cost of an upgrade to the IQ180 looks to be ~$15,000, which is simply out of my budget for this year just to gain some cool tech and an extra 20MP I don't have a need for. Now if it was only $4K for a lateral move to the IQ160, then probably. Otherwise it may be 2012 before I can afford or justify the cool tech.
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    I'm with Jack... I don't need or even want the extra pixels. The new screen would be very nice, the rest of it is of no import to me. If the DR had improved significantly, that would have had me checking my balances but as it is, the's no new technology here so I think I'll wait until there's is. A new body would be of much greater interest to me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmb_ View Post
    Well, I'm in the 20% discount bracket but I'm not willing to trade in my current back because I love the square format so that leaves me with 0% discount!

    So my strategy for now is to sit tight and wait for Guy to trade either up or across for an IQ back, then wait until he gets a second itch to trade up again and list his first IQ back on the buy and sell and then maybe I'll have a chance. If history proves me correct, the wait should not be that long!!!
    Yea i am pretty and you can bet I will beat myself into something or my wife certainly will. I am hiding all baseball bats around the house.

    Okay in all honesty i have been up since 3 am and truth be told not ONE person whining about the tech on this damn thing. On paper it is just about dead perfect. Sure Wifi and 2 card slots would be great but all the whining about LCD size and quality just went flying out the door. Looking at the tutorials in different shooters hands it looks deadly good. The interface , battery, layout, connection cabling , LCD screen and layout is just extremely nice.
    Now we are down to price and sure the lateral looks stupid right now until they come out with real lateral pricing. For us folks we are buying the tech and new warranties, lets see a realistic price on that and watch out we all are going to do something. I'm willing to pay for the tech no question but I think we all can agree it has to be realistic as well. At least for me it does.

    I am really looking forward to shooting this week with it and I know Jack is as well but we have to keep it in perspective. I love my P40+ and to move me this thing is going to have to shake me really hard. This is not a NEED this is a WANT. I have no issues with my current back as far as need it fills it perfectly and for us upgrading it will be more a WANT than need. Thats a harder sell.
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    Re: Special Announcement: Phase One new IQ backs

    The new technology does seem very positive for Tech Camera users though -- almost eliminates the need for GG or laser RF gadgets.
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    Agree Jack . Tech users should be lining up out the door for this. No question in my mind it completely solves focus issues and seeing tilt and shift movements. Just keep making the adjustments and your in. With the one touch zoom feature and high res. display not to mention focus mask . How the heck can you miss.
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    Re: Special Announcement: Phase One new IQ backs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    The new technology does seem very positive for Tech Camera users though -- almost eliminates the need for GG or laser RF gadgets.
    Agreed, too, which is the reason it has my interest. The good news is it is there now and it and more will be there in the future so no need for me to panic because I mange to get things in focus now. But with the current LCD I am never sure until I get the images home and on my monitor, so I do a lot of focus bracketing. If good, the new screen would certainly help.

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    The tech improvements are awesome. Wish it had a revolving sensor,tho.

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    I am now abandoning all hope a slipping down the slippery slope. As Guy/Jack point out for me it:

    1)eliminates the need for a viewfinder
    2)eliminates the desire for a sliding back
    3)eliminates any thought of getting the Arca e-module

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    And Terry, all those "eliminations" just about pay for the upgrade!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    And Terry, all those "eliminations" just about pay for the upgrade!

    Enabling on a grand scale

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    And Terry, all those "eliminations" just about pay for the upgrade!

    Lateral: perhaps BUT you will all convince me to go to the IQ160

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    I am now abandoning all hope a slipping down the slippery slope. As Guy/Jack point out for me it:

    1)eliminates the need for a viewfinder
    2)eliminates the desire for a sliding back
    3)eliminates any thought of getting the Arca e-module


    4 it eliminates a laptop in the field too.

    Your toast just count on one. LOL
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    >you will all convince me to go to the IQ160

    Why stop there :-)
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    Poor Terry... she doesn't have a chance

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    Afraid not too many enablers around here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Afraid not too many enablers around here.
    I'm glad I found this place, but...my wallet hates it.

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    I only have one thing to add regarding the whole upgrade cost versus benefit analysis dilemma:





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    Re: Special Announcement: Phase One new IQ backs

    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Lateral: perhaps BUT you will all convince me to go to the IQ160
    Uwe's got it right, I don't think the enablers were thinking IQ160!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmb_ View Post
    Uwe's got it right, I don't think the enablers were thinking IQ160!
    Trust me....I'm not worthy of that next step

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    I only have one thing to add regarding the whole upgrade cost versus benefit analysis dilemma:





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    Phase One chose Dubai to launch it officially, i was there to touch this new DB, it is great from first impression, but we couldn't have it to test it in real, so good luck you people to test it, i will see your reviews about it.
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    Well.. Bugger.. Me.. Ok. got to pay off for the flat first, and then i will ponder on this again Either that or pick up some incredibly well paid gig so i can justify... things... (or semi-justify)

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    This year has started off great compared to last year - now if I can only keep it going for a while longer. I like the idea of hell just about everything I read about both the 60 and 80 and figure the cost difference between the two is something like $4k.

    Not too sure if either would eliminate a viewfinder however it would be nice to have a focus mask.

    Speaking of masks - Guy can I borrow yours after you done with it?

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    Sure no problem. It's a community special item
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Tech users should be lining up out the door for this.
    first we have to see how good the new LCD really is... for focus checking. Looks extremely promising, sure... however by now we've just seen some youtube videos ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    1)eliminates the need for a viewfinder
    how so? Do you think the 3fps live preview is sufficient to arrange and compose an image?

    2)eliminates the desire for a sliding back
    with a single lens kit maybe. But if you exchange lenses the sensor is still unprotected. So you have an unprotectet sensor on the tripod and two unprotected $3-5K lenses (each) in your hands.

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    Am I correct in assuming a ZD back won't qualify for a 22% discount?

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    Well for me it certainly would. I have my iPhone for rough framing and can imagine that live view works great for fine tuning the framing. I also think the sensor isn't really unprotected, or at least not very long on a Arca. I would say around 2-3 seconds until I switch a lens. In addition, I don't know about the Arca sliding back adapter, but the linhof was never 100% sealed against dust, so in a a very dusty envirmont I am not so sure if the sliding back option is moren protective.

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    Might never know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Well for me it certainly would. I have my iPhone for rough framing and can imagine that live view works great for fine tuning the framing. I also think the sensor isn't really unprotected, or at least not very long on a Arca. I would say around 2-3 seconds until I switch a lens. ...

    Ditto for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Well for me it certainly would. I have my iPhone for rough framing and can imagine that live view works great for fine tuning the framing. I also think the sensor isn't really unprotected, or at least not very long on a Arca. I would say around 2-3 seconds until I switch a lens. In addition, I don't know about the Arca sliding back adapter, but the linhof was never 100% sealed against dust, so in a a very dusty envirmont I am not so sure if the sliding back option is moren protective.
    I like the idea you don't need to carry around all that stuff. I may get a TC even that is the style I would like to see in tech cams is easy simple one, two, three ,check and done. This would be heaven for it.
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    Re: Special Announcement: Phase One new IQ backs

    I really don't like the whole % upgrade thing from Phase, it would have been so much better to get some normal numbers. Just curios, but what will give me a P45 or P45+? Both 45% off like the Hassi 39 which gets 39% or is it different because the P45 is to old?

    And any news on cross upgrades? P40 to iq140 and 60 to 160?

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    Re: Special Announcement: Phase One new IQ backs

    I think it depends on what you shoot...
    I often need to see the precise center point of the image (of the camera respectively)... so neither an iPhone nor a viewfinder would work for me. For composition only a groundglass with grid works for me... (or any kind of "through the lens" viewing...)
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    Re: Special Announcement: Phase One new IQ backs

    Thomas the Phase backs still have the grid in them even though it is after the fact I believe. I look at a tech cam with this kind of back like this. It's a Polaroid until I get exactly what i want. We shoot tethered that way get everything lined up with lighting framing and such. I see this as a easier way for the tech cam user by far. You almost guarantee your image is on the money. Can all tech cam users walk away from a scene and say I nailed it. You may but the question still remains like film and waiting till you get to the lab. To me with the focus mask, zoom feature and nice high res display it would be a lot easier pill to swallow when you walk away and say you nailed it. Horses for courses as always. But the extra added features in my mind makes this back for a tech cam a much better solution than sliding backs , viewfinders and all the appendages we have hanging off these things. Plus a lot less load and junk to carry around. Sliding backs are nice but lets be honest not fun to haul around everywhere.
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    Re: Special Announcement: Phase One new IQ backs

    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    I really don't like the whole % upgrade thing from Phase, it would have been so much better to get some normal numbers. Just curios, but what will give me a P45 or P45+? Both 45% off like the Hassi 39 which gets 39% or is it different because the P45 is to old?

    And any news on cross upgrades? P40 to iq140 and 60 to 160?
    I'm with you on the percentages . Just give me hard numbers so i can cry about in a normal manner. LOL
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    Re: Special Announcement: Phase One new IQ backs

    The semi-live view may eliminate the need for the "slide" part of a Rotaslide on a tech camera.

    It looks like the "rota" part will still be desirable, though. It would be preferable to removing the back, or flipping the camera on its side.

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    Re: Special Announcement: Phase One new IQ backs

    Yea agree would be nice to rotate the sensor. My guess and just a guess is there is no room left to rotate it. Question I will ask this week
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