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    thunderbolt.

    new i/o tech from intel, 2X faster than USB3 now on the macbook pro.

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    Any chance that this is one of the features of the Phaseone IQ series yet to be announced?

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    Re: thunderbolt.

    Be really nice if they can make it happen. I say dump the USB with T Bolt. Not sure they could make this last minute change.
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    Re: thunderbolt.

    Useless for now... nothing is fast enough to write at that speed.

    Also the version coming out from Apple is a really really basic 'copper' one, which is a joke. They just want an excuse to charge even more money right now. Just like the iPad with no camera... bring it out now and then a couple month after, V2 with a camera built in...

    Wait for the optical versions to come out which is 10x faster. ETA is next year.

    Oh and its also called Light Peak.

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    Re: thunderbolt.

    Useless for now...
    I'm not sure if 2x USB3 is useless, especially for HD video, storage etc (lacie will have products by mid year).
    Yes, sure you can wait till next year where it will be 10 X faster (even though you say that nothing is fast enough to write at its current speed), but hey why not wait till 2013 when it is going to be 20 X faster.
    Tech is always going to get faster, better etc, if you sit around waiting you will end up with nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    Useless for now... nothing is fast enough to write at that speed.

    Also the version coming out from Apple is a really really basic 'copper' one, which is a joke. They just want an excuse to charge even more money right now. Just like the iPad with no camera... bring it out now and then a couple month after, V2 with a camera built in...

    Wait for the optical versions to come out which is 10x faster. ETA is next year.

    Oh and its also called Light Peak.
    If nothing is fast enough to write at that speed - why wait for something even faster ? Also, may I ask for your source of the 'ETA is next year...' for the optical variant ? That's not my understanding...

    Anyway - things can write that fast - I use SSD arrays that peak at 700mb/s transfer. Having that functionality available via a daisy-chained Macbook - should one need it - is fantastic and a real step forward imo. Enterprise-level performance in consumer goods should never be sniffed at.

    A big limitation for me has always been the time it takes to get stuff on and off a laptop and with fast ssd's - the link is often the weak link.

    Tethered shooting with zero latency anyone ?

    I think the IQ series will be fine though given its USB2/3/FW choice - legacy compatibility is far more important in these early days of thunderbolt.

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    We are talking 10 Gbit/s (1000 mb/s) for the copper one and 100 Gbit/s (10,000 mb/s) for the optical one.

    Please, do tell what writes that fast so i can purchase it asap!!!

    My source is the same as everyone else talking about it... Intel and the regular tech news sources.

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    Re: thunderbolt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    We are talking 10 Gbit/s (1000 mb/s) for the copper one and 100 Gbit/s (10,000 mb/s) for the optical one.

    Please, do tell what writes that fast so i can purchase it asap!!!

    My source is the same as everyone else talking about it... Intel and the regular tech news sources.
    Screenshot from my computer. Its already in excess of what thunderbolt can accommodate... Having this capability with a Macbook as the controller is awesome news.

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    Whoah, Googaliser, that's some throughput. SCSI & RAID0? And I thought my SSD was fast...

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    >nothing is fast enough to write at that speed.

    Sure? 10 Disk RAID anyone? Using SSD :-)
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    Fast!

    But my comment was directed to the optical version.

    100 Gbit/s

    And what about the camera used? Won't that be taken into account too?

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    No eSata? No USB 3? No ExpressCard?

    No thanks.

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    Re: thunderbolt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    Also the version coming out from Apple is a really really basic 'copper' one, which is a joke.

    Wait for the optical versions to come out which is 10x faster. ETA is next year.
    Bus-powered devices over an optical version?

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    Re: thunderbolt.

    They simply skipped USB 3, did they? It's nice that they are a bit ahead of time, but it would also be nice to have a computer that could utilize the fast peripherals that are available now, wouldn't it?

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    Re: thunderbolt.

    It is a bit of a puzzler to me.
    First Apple and Intel have an exclusive agreement for a year that limits other computer manufacturers from using it for a year.
    That will probably limit peripheral availability to some extent until 2012

    Second, it cannot be retro-fitted into systems such as my mac pro since the interface requires access to both the video stream and the PCIe from the system data bus. I am not convinced that an add-on card can be produced compatibly and with full performance.

    I doubt very much that we will see this very soon. I expect that its roll-out will follow the displayport model.

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    Re: thunderbolt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    We are talking 10 Gbit/s (1000 mb/s) for the copper one and 100 Gbit/s (10,000 mb/s) for the optical one.

    Please, do tell what writes that fast so i can purchase it asap!!!
    How about a monitor with a built in graphics card? Connect your MacBook and get a performance boost.

    Remember that Thunderbolt is more or less an external extension of the PCI Express bus, so anything that was inside the computer can now be connected outside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    Oh and its also called Light Peak.
    Not anymore. Intel also calls it Thunderbolt now. Light Peak was a work title.

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    Re: thunderbolt.

    Interesting discussion at http://nikonrumors.com/2011/02/23/ni...ight-peak.aspx about Nikon + Thunderbolt rumor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronan View Post
    We are talking 10 Gbit/s (1000 mb/s) for the copper one and 100 Gbit/s (10,000 mb/s) for the optical one.
    Nope.

    10 Gb/s = 10,000 Mb/s

    100 Gb/s = 100,000 Mb/s

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    Re: thunderbolt.

    Thanks.

    From there... the graph below.

    BIG WOW!

    By chance, would Thunderbolt be available with Expresscard 34 adapter, even if not at full speed???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anders_HK View Post
    By chance, would Thunderbolt be available with Expresscard 34 adapter, even if not at full speed???
    Not 100% sure, but unlikely as Thunderbolt can not be added to existing Mac Pro towers....I'm reading new motherboard is necessary.

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    Re: thunderbolt.

    Quote Originally Posted by BJNY View Post
    Not 100% sure, but unlikely as Thunderbolt can not be added to existing Mac Pro towers....I'm reading new motherboard is necessary.
    Correct. Intel has stated it requires a new motherboard which in practice means a new computer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leigh View Post
    Nope.

    10 Gb/s = 10,000 Mb/s

    100 Gb/s = 100,000 Mb/s

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    Absolutely correct...

    I can't believe i got that wrong, and i completely blame the lack of sleep and the couple beers iv had!

    Maybe now people see how fast it is... and id like to see a screenshot of something that writes that fast

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    Quote Originally Posted by selsoe View Post
    Not anymore. Intel also calls it Thunderbolt now. Light Peak was a work title.
    They originally published the info under the Light Peak name.

    Then Apple came up with Thunderbolt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leigh View Post

    10 Gb/s = 10,000 Mb/s

    100 Gb/s = 100,000 Mb/s
    Nicely explained by Joe. R at nikonrumors thread :

    Itís worth noting that 10 Gb/second is 1280 MB/second. The lower-case b in Gb is bits (used for speed measurement) while the capital B in MB is bytes (used for storage capacity).

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    Re: thunderbolt.

    Would be awesome to be able to download an 8GB CF card in under 8 seconds....when there are cards+readers that can support that kind of speed
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougpetersonci View Post
    Correct. Intel has stated it requires a new motherboard which in practice means a new computer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougpetersonci View Post
    Correct. Intel has stated it requires a new motherboard which in practice means a new computer.

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    Re: thunderbolt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher View Post
    Quick way to kill it before it takes off.
    Plus Apple has a head start on it until 2012, so PC adoption will be in the future..

    Interesting article:

    http://www.crunchgear.com/2011/02/24...not-exclusive/

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    Re: thunderbolt.

    That is just stupid and i really don't get it. If One really want to get a new thing out there it certainly does not help if only a few single apple products can use it for a long tome. Certainly no reason to get a Mac just for light peak.

    I like the whole idea, but I have my doubt about then whole approach. In the end I wouldn't be surprised of it had a bad fate and never got close to USB3.

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    Re: thunderbolt.

    Re-tethered I thought part of the speed issue was getting the data off the camera electronics, less so the FW as bottleneck? Not to say Thunderbolt would not help of course, it sounds impressive.

    I know some here have a more pessimistic view, but I think thunderbolt will be huge. LaCie already abounding SSD drives for it, the video guys in particular are going to go nuts for this

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