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    New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    Sinar announced today a new architecture camera called "arTec".

    It was developed together with architecture photographer Rainer Viertlböck who gave his input for the necessary features for his ideal camera.

    Some of the features of this new camera:

    - Revolving Adapter
    - Sliding Back for ground-glass composing
    - Lenses 23mm to 135mm (Sinaron Digital)
    - 5° Tilt/Swing, in all directions
    - Shift V +25/-15mm
    - Shift H +20/-20mm
    - 360° turnable tripod mount
    - 1.5 Kg

    Availability shortly after Photokina 2008.

    More to follow.

    Best regards,
    Rainer & Thierry

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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    Now that is interesting looking. I like the swing and tilt function
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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    Now THAT is way cool Thierry, a very clever tilt design! For guys like me coming from full-on view cameras, this may be the answer.

    Do you happen to know if Sinar will offer it for other back mounts?

    Thanks for sharing this!
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    I'm afraid to hear the price though. That is pretty sexy

    For me that would be a 3 for 1 . View, slide and a shift camera
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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post

    For me that would be a 3 for 1 . View, slide and a shift camera
    Precisely my point -- a view camera replacement for MF DB's that is actually precise enough to work well with DB's...
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    Someone better hold me back quick. LOL
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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    Jack,

    No other back mounts planed at this stage (except for the Leaf AFi backs).

    Best regards,
    Thierry

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Do you happen to know if Sinar will offer it for other back mounts?
    Last edited by thsinar; 30th June 2008 at 16:03.

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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    Quote Originally Posted by thsinar View Post
    No other back mounts planed at this stage.
    Bummer...
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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    Time to ask if JLM can come up with a "speed ring" or somesuch idea for backs
    -bob

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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    Thierry you just killed me.
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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    "Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here" ...

    Leaf AFi backs are supported.

    Thierry

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    Thierry you just killed me.

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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    I was waiting for that one. LOL
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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    For sure I would not use it with a Sinar back simply because it won't support a Phase.
    If a company chooses to be spiteful. then customers have that right too.
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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    Bob,

    there is no maliciousness from Sinar side here. It has always been the work and responsibility (decision) of a back manufacturer to provide the adaption to a certain camera platform, never the opposite.

    Best regards,
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    For sure I would not use it with a Sinar back simply because it won't support a Phase.
    If a company chooses to be spiteful. then customers have that right too.
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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    The problem is exactly that. I think that the camera makers are 1/2 to blame.
    That is a bad tradition. It would be far better to get some sort of industry standard back to camea standard rolling. Most of the other interoperability standards started with customer irritation. I reminds me of the electrical plug situation in Europe forty years ago.
    Oh, and if you haven't figured it out, th only reason I am pissed is that I like the looks of the camera :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    The problem is exactly that. I think that the camera makers are 1/2 to blame.
    That is a bad tradition. It would be far better to get some sort of industry standard back to camea standard rolling. Most of the other interoperability standards started with customer irritation. I reminds me of the electrical plug situation in Europe forty years ago.
    -bob
    actually at this moment i have great problems to gag my german plug of my macbook in the power-sockets here in switzerland 1/2 kilometers over the boarder. so .... still not resolved even this little uncompatibility

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    Bob,

    mostly agreed, but it always needs 2 looking in the same direction to get such things working. And one other hurdle being manpower and capacity for small companies. Even if I made it look as a "tradition", it was not the meaning.

    Thanks anyway, I shall forward your suggestion.

    Best regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    The problem is exactly that. I think that the camera makers are 1/2 to blame.
    That is a bad tradition. It would be far better to get some sort of industry standard back to camea standard rolling. Most of the other interoperability standards started with customer irritation. I reminds me of the electrical plug situation in Europe forty years ago.
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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    The track record is that standards reduce cost and improve profitability.
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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    Bob,
    Seems to me that Sinar is one of the more open companies when it comes to compatibility with other brands. If you look at the variety of adapters for their backs you have a wide selection of choices (unfortunately, Phase is not one of them). I do agree that it would make good business sense for someone to fabricate adapters for this very cool looking camera, just not sure that it's Sinar's responsibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David K View Post
    Bob,
    Seems to me that Sinar is one of the more open companies when it comes to compatibility with other brands. If you look at the variety of adapters for their backs you have a wide selection of choices (unfortunately, Phase is not one of them). I do agree that it would make good business sense for someone to fabricate adapters for this very cool looking camera, just not sure that it's Sinar's responsibility.
    good idea.
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    Thierry, VERY NICE

    To make it even better or rather LOGICAL... to use this opportunity and the potential of this Camera to make it sell enough for "arTec" to become STANDARD period. Of course to do that number of things should happen:

    A - Interchangeable Lenses/Huge number of Cambo/Horseman/ALPA users
    B - Multiple Digital Backs/Hasselblad, Leaf, Mamiya, Phase, obviously SINAR
    C - PRICE/Not Cheap but similar to others +/-


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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    Quote Originally Posted by thsinar View Post
    Bob,

    there is no maliciousness from Sinar side here. It has always been the work and responsibility (decision) of a back manufacturer to provide the adaption to a certain camera platform, never the opposite.

    Best regards,
    Thierry
    Hmmm... I assumed for example that Horseman and Alpa made the adapters for the different camera-mounts to fit their bodies? Or am I mistaken and it is the back manufacturers themselves that supply them to those two companies?

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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    Jack,
    If Sinar does not want to dell into he Phase installed base, then that it their prerogative.
    But if there was a "universal" back to camera interface, that would save everyone r&d money and make the market more open and competitive. Maybe some vendors are just too self-deluded to think that they can control the market, but the customers, in the final analysis, are the ones with the money. We really could use the equivalent of the M8 bolt in camera to back interfaces.
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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    Alpa makes the adapters to fit different backs. I am waiting on my Mamiya mount as we speak.

    Here is my issue with this whole thing . Sinar makes there backs to fit other camera's via a 2 thousand dollar adapter . Than Sinar builds a camera and shuts everyone out. So we go from a open system of backs to a closed system of Sinar body which is not a standard camera to begin with. So if Sinar wants to make real money here open it up to everyone and sell 500 of them instead of 100. This will not really help them sell more backs. To me this is all wrong, sorry . You want to make money and provide a product exactly like Horseman, Alpa and Cambo than enter that market as a separate entity instead of a back maker.
    This is something I would actually buy , but if my back is not supported than I won't be doing it and I think this will be the bitch here for folks. Just my opinion But all the folks sitting on Hassy and Phase backs which is a BIG market are left holding the bag. It's like a double standard.
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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    Guy,
    Closed interfaces mean that the maker is afraid of opening up to competition. Otherwise you have to best of breed in every area. The problem is usually that the closed systems vendors get boxed out since they cannot compete in all areas at once, especially for small companies, so their sales -curve is truncated when they are eclipsed in any of the dimensions they attempt to control.
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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    And, phase/mamiya owners might be more able to afford the add-on camera after building up their lens kit with inexpensive Mamiya lenses.

    Very nice Rainer, I understand you helped put together many of the specifications. Here's a salute to Sinar, too, for working on delivering a very interesting and I'm certain very useful accessory.

    Kurt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Guy,
    Closed interfaces mean that the maker is afraid of opening up to competition. Otherwise you have to best of breed in every area. The problem is usually that the closed systems vendors get boxed out since they cannot compete in all areas at once, especially for small companies, so their sales -curve is truncated when they are eclipsed in any of the dimensions they attempt to control.
    -bob
    lets see if the camera will work as good as it looks to me at the moment.
    in that case i am pretty confident that someone will make soon adapters for it. it should be a nice little business,- so far it looks to me there is no other camera available with similar specs and so many colleagues will want to use it. for me it will be a personal honor if the things go that way.

    as i believe and if we like it or not, the mf back makers are in a very strong competition between themselves, so no one will want to feed the cash box of the other brand, not directly and not indirectly. you cant compare here a manufactory as sinar with alpa or cambo, which dont sell backs, so their main interest is to sell their camera to all brands. its a pity, but it has its logic.

    the good news is that at least two brands work already with the arTec, sinar and leaf. ( certainly its not sinars fault that leaf decided to construct a new fixed mount for the afi, and not a removable adapter for the older leaf backs as sinar has done it with all its product line ).
    in any case it should be a simple thing to make an adapter. ( although i am not 100% sure if i dont tell bs. here, because its still possible that the arTek hy mount brings the sensor closer to the back-lens as e.g. a h/ v-adapter could do ). its certainly nearly a wonder that sinar could make a rotatable mount and bring the sensor still close enough to the lens for the ultrawides.

    but "locking out" someone is another thing for me as sinar is doing here. locking out means for me that it is impossible for a 3. party to get access to the mount,- as its done with the h3 or with the hy/afi ( for its complex electronic connections ). am not sure if there are patent rights on the mechanical hy connect ( as it was long time on the leica m mount ), but no one said such thing till now.

    but, if we like it or not ( and i dont ), the manufactories always tried to "lock out" their competors or at least to make it difficult for them to eat the ready fruits, but to be fair here,- i think sinar has been the most opened manufactor, also in terms of the changeable mounts for its backs.
    i always found this a fair and important feature and i used it a lot,- using my backs on gottschalt,contax,hasselblad and sinar m mounts in the last 3 years.
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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    Beautiful looking piece of engineering there Thierry! I would place an order today IF Sinar allowed for multiple MFD back adaptors.

    Still perhaps it wont take long for someone to reverse engineer the same beautiful and elegant solution, at which time Sinar will produce multiple back adaptors- just like Alpa and Linhof do for example... - patience is everything!

    I congratulate Sinar for making such a beautiful and elegant solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Sinar makes there backs to fit other camera's via a 2 thousand dollar adapter .
    Slight exageration. Most of them are €945 at this shop, for example (around $1370): http://shop.strato.de/epages/1549323...5/em75_adapter

    You want to make money and provide a product exactly like Horseman, Alpa and Cambo than enter that market as a separate entity instead of a back maker.
    Maybe, maybe not. Those companies are already serving that market. This is about building a system based on the Hy6 interface, and that platform just became more attractive.

    Sinar needs to work out whether it is more profitable long term so sells more of these cameras to everyone at a small profit per unit, or sell a few more complete Hy6-based systems. I can't really blame them for trying to increase market share when so many photographers in North America still think that Leaf and Phase are the only backs makers in the market!

    Anyway, I suspect other mounts will be available in time.
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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    I was told 2k but that info maybe wrong I don't know and have not priced them. I totally understand the market share stuff , everyone does that but a open system would also increase that. Depends on what direction a company wants to take. I would prefer going after everyone I can get myself instead of a limited market. I think this product should be a separate entity and compete just like the the Horseman, Cambo and Alpa do for this market share of the business. Now they could make the mount free for there backs but charge a nice adapter fee for others and make even more .
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    Just want to add here before all gets lost that I think Rainer should be congratulated on helping out with this product. Well done indeed
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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    That's a beautiful camera. I love to see the evolution of MF taking this direction. Kudos to everyone involved.

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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Just want to add here before all gets lost that I think Rainer should be congratulated on helping out with this product. Well done indeed
    Agreed, and I'll add my congratulations and admiration. Bravo to all involved... I hope it performs as good as it looks (and I hope it costs less than it looks like it's going to cost ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I was told 2k but that info maybe wrong I don't know and have not priced them.
    From SBI 2008 Price

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJNY View Post
    From SBI 2008 Price
    Guess I won't be buying from them then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Just want to add here before all gets lost that I think Rainer should be congratulated on helping out with this product. Well done indeed
    thanks guy.
    indeed its great to find a company who listened and discussed things seriously with me and which considered to go ways i suggested from my practical experience.... and not only to look to their ad department or to ask one million opinions till they get so flooded by different sights that nothing could have been realized anymore. a really great experience for me....
    i think its a long time ( 20, 30 years ? ) that a camera was made with the active help and input from a working photographer, who wasn't employed by the manufactory and who was not running only against walls. in fact sinar did a great job here as i think going new , and at the same time old , ways.

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    I'm sure there are lots of skilled tool makers in Korea who can make adapters for this
    baby.
    Even KaptureGroup from the US could do it.
    But first let us wait for the product to be released and get Rainers testing on the way.
    Cheers,
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    Quick question for Rainer.
    I have a feeling that the 24XL from Schneider wouldn't work with the arTec,as the rear element would be to close to the sensor,that is when you want to use the sliding back!
    Correct?
    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by rainer-v View Post
    thanks guy.
    indeed its great to find a company who listened and discussed things seriously with me and which considered to go ways i suggested from my practical experience.... and not only to look to their ad department or to ask one million opinions till they get so flooded by different sights that nothing could have been realized anymore. a really great experience for me....
    i think its a long time ( 20, 30 years ? ) that a camera was made with the active help and input from a working photographer, who wasn't employed by the manufactory and who was not running only against walls. in fact sinar did a great job here as i think going new , and at the same time old , ways.
    Yes and i do give Sinar credit for actually working with a pro and help build a product from his point of view than some engineers that never make it to the field to really know how we actually work. Most companies want us to adapt to what they build.

    It certainly would be nice to see someone making some adapter plates for this. John you have been tasked. LOL
    FYI John makes a lot of leica after market stuff
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethmeier View Post
    Quick question for Rainer.
    I have a feeling that the 24XL from Schneider wouldn't work with the arTec,as the rear element would be to close to the sensor,that is when you want to use the sliding back!
    Correct?
    Cheers,
    Willem.
    sinar tech dep. said that teoretically the 24xl should work, but very very close to the edge so they cant promise it 100% that there will not happen what you said willem. but in terms of 1/100 mm measures and specs it should work at infinty.

    i just can tell you here what the technical dep. by sinar told to me, because of course i insisted here and said its a kind of "must" that the 24xl schneider fits because many prefer it over the 28HR for its price and because its the wider lens.

    anyway now, after the announcement of the 23 sinaron, the things look little bit different. after my experience the new lineup of the rodenstocks ( the HR ) is the more modern and better design than the schneiders.
    and it has shift possibilities so the f.o.v. will be much wider, if stitchet.

    also i personnally expect from lenses on an architecture system to be moveable, and the 24xl is not, or just about 1 - 2 mm.

    i know that you posted about your fear that the 23 will show similar distortion than the 28hr, which you think is much. i dont agree here.

    1.: the 23 is a new calculation, its not a 28hr on steroids so its distortion will be , at least , different. i would be very sad if much ......
    because this will become a centra llens in the bag of most architecture guys.

    2.: i work since years with the 28hr and i never had in practice the problem that distortion became visible in a final shot, even not in the most demanding ones in terms of stitching together images which have a parallel line directly at the frame edge. in that case it becomes visible and you have to treat the image somehow in post.
    but the dist. of the 28HR is about 1% and a bit,- which is very good.
    i really have a distortion allergy, so i would never work with this lens if it would show up in daily shots.

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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    Rainer,
    we have both distortion allergies and discussed the issue before.
    Anyway,congratulations on a job well done with the arTec!
    I bet your Gottshalt will be on eBay soon?
    Also,as you are the first user of the arTec,will yours be "gold plated"?
    Just kidding!
    Hope to meet you in person one of these days.
    I'm in France for six weeks from August.
    Regards,
    Willem.

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    Re: New "arTec" Sinar Architecture Camera

    O yes,
    I forgot!
    No centre filter with the Rodenstock HR and you can shoot wide open!
    Good for us Sinar back users!
    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rethmeier View Post
    O yes,
    I forgot!
    No centre filter with the Rodenstock HR and you can shoot wide open!
    Good for us Sinar back users!
    Cheers,
    Willem.
    and sometimes this is so usefull. two weeks ago i had o shoot through a dirty window, no other way to get the shot. i made it with 28HR full open. no dirty window visible...... stopped down to f8 the shot would have been absolutely unusuable. and for every kind of lo light stop you gain 2 stops..... plus the falloff from nthe center filter on the 24xl so it sums up to three or four stops.
    but we dont know if all this will be possible on the 23 sinaron too.

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    Yes, Jack, you are (partly) right, concerning Alpa and Horseman. But that's not this way when it concerns MF manufacturers like Mamiya, Rolleiflex, Contax, etc ..., where it is and always was the back manufacturer providing a solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Hmmm... I assumed for example that Horseman and Alpa made the adapters for the different camera-mounts to fit their bodies? Or am I mistaken and it is the back manufacturers themselves that supply them to those two companies?

    Cheers,

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    Is this an Alpa type camera or is there some electronic interface built in for back and shutter?

    The camera is not even out yet so it's a bit early to trash Sinar for lack of adapters for other backs. IF it sells I'm sure there will be a Phase adapter from more then one source (assuming it's like the Alpa with no electronic interface issues).

    Found a side view online:

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    I would hope that, at least for Sinar and Leaf backs, there would be no cable required. There are a few more photos posted over on LL, one of which shows the rear view, and I do not see the electronic contacts.
    http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/...ic=26265&st=60

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    Not sure you could actually have electronic contacts since it moves when shifting
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    looks to me like it only tilts, no swing, unless you rotate the body (somehow) to get swing, no tilt?

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    Good point John... I'm now seeing a few things with these new pictures that raise a few questions:

    1) Am I correct in that it only shifts and tilts while mounted conventionally, and that you have to turn the camera 90 degrees to get Rise and/or swing?

    2) If 1 is correct, then there is no way to get rise and tilt or shift and swing at the same times?

    3) It also appears it is swing or tilt only and no way to have both combined?

    4) Finally, it appears the tripod mount is not centered under with the lens when the lens is zeroed? Wouldn't it be desirable to have it so for nodal (panoramic) stitching?

    FTR, I'm not bashing or insulting the camera here. It looks like a stellar concept and built with tyipical Sinar quality. I am just curious about the things above because they are not clear yet from the current posts and images.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Good point John... I'm now seeing a few things with these new pictures that raise a few questions:

    1) Am I correct in that it only shifts and tilts while mounted conventionally, and that you have to turn the camera 90 degrees to get Rise and/or swing?

    2) If 1 is correct, then there is no way to get rise and tilt or shift and swing at the same times?

    3) It also appears it is swing or tilt only and no way to have both combined?

    4) Finally, it appears the tripod mount is not centered under with the lens when the lens is zeroed? Wouldn't it be desirable to have it so for nodal (panoramic) stitching?

    FTR, I'm not bashing or insulting the camera here. It looks like a stellar concept and built with tyipical Sinar quality. I am just curious about the things above because they are not clear yet from the current posts and images.

    Thanks,
    These are all questions I have raised, and am extracting answers for
    throughout the original thread at luminous-landscape:
    http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/...howtopic=26265

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