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    PhaseOne 150mm - LS or Standard

    Hi - has anyone tried the new PhaseOne 150mm LS yet? I'm looking to add the 150mm to my bag but would like to know how the IQ of the LS compares to the existing D lens (which I've read is a stellar lens!).

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    Hi Colin,
    I recently had the honour of shooting the demos at the Phase One IQ180 global dealer launch event in Dubai.
    I own the 150/2.8D and this is my alltime favourite portrait lens.
    My impressions of the new 150/3.5 Leaf-shutter lens from Schneider are that it is superbly sharp, very well balanced (I shot with and without the v-grip), very fast and accurate to focus, has a lovely soft bokeh, is a little less contrasty than the 150/2.8D (a plus in a portrait lens) and also very easy to use in manual focus mode. Illumination is surprisingly even including wide open.
    Most importantly, with a sync speed of 1/1600th sec, I could easily shoot outdoor flash-lit portraits at wide apertures. I already do a lot of this with my 110/2.8LS but it is not as long as I would like. The 150 suits me way better.
    I will be selling my 150/2.8 and replacing it with this lens.
    'Nuff said?

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    Re: PhaseOne 150mm - LS or Standard

    Hi Siebel

    'nuff said indeed! - sounds like the LS is going in the bag

    Many thanks!

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    Re: PhaseOne 150mm - LS or Standard

    any updates on this?

    im considering the smaller ls vs 150D
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    Graham,
    As planned, I replaced my 150D with the LS and frankly, couldn't be happier. The LS is more compact and I prefer the new metal hood.
    I am told the two lenses are optically identical and the LS is slightly slower due to the max size of the shutter. I didn't do any side-by-side tests under identical conditions but I still have the impression the LS is a little less contrasty, which I view as a plus. I'm guessing internal reflections around the shutter cause this (if they are indeed optically identical). Regardless, my 150LS is unreservedly my alltime fave portrait lens.
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    Re: PhaseOne 150mm - LS or Standard

    Both times I've compared them the 150D produced a file with more bite and a bit more crisp sharpness. The 150D is, without reservation, my favorite Mamiya lens and their sharpest design.

    The 150LS is very good. But for your purposes (landscape without flash) I'd suggest the 150D unless pack weight/size is the same.
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    I don't understand. Why don't you just have both of these lenses, Graham....


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    Re: PhaseOne 150mm - LS or Standard

    ^ Right, you have a car, don't you?

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    Some use roller cases.

    Some use a Land Rover.....


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    Re: PhaseOne 150mm - LS or Standard

    He certainly has room for a pair -- nay a trio! -- of 150's in at least one of those bags he carries!

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    Re: PhaseOne 150mm - LS or Standard

    I think Graham should get another DF body for both lenses

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    Re: PhaseOne 150mm - LS or Standard

    Quote Originally Posted by Landscapelover View Post
    I think Graham should get another DF body for both lenses
    Your right there with him my friend. ROTFLMAO
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    Re: PhaseOne 150mm - LS or Standard

    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    Both times I've compared them the 150D produced a file with more bite and a bit more crisp sharpness. The 150D is, without reservation, my favorite Mamiya lens and their sharpest design.

    The 150LS is very good. But for your purposes (landscape without flash) I'd suggest the 150D unless pack weight/size is the same.
    Thanks Doug - I think you're right. I'm not really going to be using the LS features in my type of shooting. I was curious as to whether the Schneider variant was sharper or perhaps had better/smoother OOF performance. It's a big step up in cost for no gain for my kind of use I think.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    He certainly has room for a pair -- nay a trio! -- of 150's in at least one of those bags he carries!

    I like to think of it as being part of my workout regime. Ditto with the huge tripod.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Your right there with him my friend. ROTFLMAO
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    Quote Originally Posted by dougpeterson View Post
    Both times I've compared them the 150D produced a file with more bite and a bit more crisp sharpness. The 150D is, without reservation, my favorite Mamiya lens and their sharpest design.

    The 150LS is very good. But for your purposes (landscape without flash) I'd suggest the 150D unless pack weight/size is the same.
    The only lens that can contest my 150D is my 240LS!

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    Re: PhaseOne 150mm - LS or Standard

    I have both lenses and would just say that my 150LS needs to be stopped down to f5.6/f8 to be really sharp and the 150mm Mamiya is much better at the wider apertures. IMO the 110LS is much better at wider apertures than the 150LS too.

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    Re: PhaseOne 150mm - LS or Standard

    While we're on the subject of lenses, without trying to hijack this thread, what do users have to say about the 120 TS lens? It's likely my next purchase unless I finally bite the bullet and go to a tech cam.

    Any opinions valued!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Caulfeild-Browne View Post
    While we're on the subject of lenses, without trying to hijack this thread, what do users have to say about the 120 TS lens? It's likely my next purchase unless I finally bite the bullet and go to a tech cam.

    Any opinions valued!
    Bill, I really wanted to like that lens, but the mirror slap was so bad that I could never get anything sharp at low shutter speeds. At hand holdable shutter speeds, its great....But most applications for landscape would dictate use on a tripod.

    The design of the tripod foot may have a lot to do with it. From what I understood when I looked at it, it was designed more for studio/flash work at higher shutter speeds than the typical use I would put it through. It think there were some threads from a couple of years ago on this.

    I have seen the lens on sale here for as little as 3K, so if it works for you, could be good value. Cheers...

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    I should clarify, it was not just mirror slap as I had MUP on. It is likely the shutter that was causing the vibration.

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    Re: PhaseOne 150mm - LS or Standard

    ...and one more thing, not that Dante needs any help around here, but the SK 120ASPH with its 150mm IC is just to die for

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Caulfeild-Browne View Post
    While we're on the subject of lenses, without trying to hijack this thread, what do users have to say about the 120 TS lens? It's likely my next purchase unless I finally bite the bullet and go to a tech cam.

    Any opinions valued!

    Bill, see, http://www.getdpi.com/forum/gear-fs-...rs-1000-a.html

    Less than the cost of the Phase 120 ts....


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    Re: PhaseOne 150mm - LS or Standard

    The flames are roaring today in Dante's Inferno!

    I'm staying away today since a big box just arrived, fresh off the boat from Denmark.
    Remember: adventure before dementia!

    As Oscar Wilde said, "my tastes are simple, I only like the best"
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    Re: PhaseOne 150mm - LS or Standard

    How big a box?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephengilbert View Post
    How big a box?
    Well, it's rather like Russian Dolls but ultimately you get down to quite a dense fist sized box. Black with two shiny sides.
    Remember: adventure before dementia!

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    Mmmmmm . . . sounds very much like a 062QI .
    Congrats .
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    Re: PhaseOne 150mm - LS or Standard

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Caulfeild-Browne View Post
    While we're on the subject of lenses, without trying to hijack this thread, what do users have to say about the 120 TS lens? It's likely my next purchase unless I finally bite the bullet and go to a tech cam.

    Any opinions valued!
    Hi Hi Bill Bill

    Go Tech Go Tech -- especially if going wide --- But I got the new 120 Schneider from Dave @ CI for the Cambo - my advice is to wear gloves, it is that sharp.

    Tech camera shooting is the best!!!!! The one problem with Tech is that you keep wishing you were as good as you equipment.

    You will love the tech - Tabasco on the bullet makes it easier.

    best

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagsiva View Post
    Bill, I really wanted to like that lens, but the mirror slap was so bad that I could never get anything sharp at low shutter speeds. At hand holdable shutter speeds, its great....But most applications for landscape would dictate use on a tripod.

    The design of the tripod foot may have a lot to do with it. From what I understood when I looked at it, it was designed more for studio/flash work at higher shutter speeds than the typical use I would put it through. It think there were some threads from a couple of years ago on this.

    I have seen the lens on sale here for as little as 3K, so if it works for you, could be good value. Cheers...
    Hi

    Did you use the mirror LU with a 5 - 7 sec delay?

    I find it works

    Thanks

    Phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by alajuela View Post
    Hi

    Did you use the mirror LU with a 5 - 7 sec delay?

    I find it works

    Thanks

    Phil
    I tried everything, including a wireless remote. From what it seemed, the tripod foot on the lens was quite narrow for such a lens. I think the FP shutter was still causing vibrations. I tried quite a few things. Believe me, I tried hard as, like Bill, I was trying to avoid the Tech Cam money pit

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    Re: PhaseOne 150mm - LS or Standard

    Quote Originally Posted by jagsiva View Post
    I tried everything, including a wireless remote. From what it seemed, the tripod foot on the lens was quite narrow for such a lens. I think the FP shutter was still causing vibrations. I tried quite a few things. Believe me, I tried hard as, like Bill, I was trying to avoid the Tech Cam money pit
    One of the the things I did when I had an extremely anal day, was to get a laser pointer - secure it in the hot shot, mount everything on the tripod - do MU with 7 sec delay. Aim the camera at a white wall - about 30 - 40 feet. Trigger the shutter, and then walk to the wall and watch to see it the laser dot moves, when the shutter moves.

    I think this gives a pretty good qualitative idea if there is a vibration, Then you can go to the next stage of trying to isolate it and remedy the problem.

    Also for example on my 300, (which has a lens foot) I still clamp the camera, I think the Digital back is heaver than the lens, at least more mass.

    I remember Jack, did a study on some lenses that has certain shutter speeds to avoid, interesting because it was not - speeds below a certain speed, but something like 1/15 was bad, yet 1/4 and 1/60 were fine for 300mm.

    I know for me - I find a world of difference when shooting the DF on a monopod. Which by the way once you develop techniques is really not a big deal, I am talking shooting on the street. You get good and fast- I use a hand strap on the camera, the Gitzo 5 series monopod , RRS tripod head, Gitzo fat foot, and the smart flex plate. I should also mention - when I have time (not trying to catch a fleeting moment) I will use MU on the monopod - The key is technique and practice - practice.

    The Tech is a different type of shooting, don't avoid it, if you already have a DB, get one lens (a 40 is my favorite) and a board (Camera) used, you will love it. Look on this forum on the FS / WTB posts, or call Capture Integration (that's what I did)

    Thanks

    Phil

    PPS Since this is Dantes Inferno, after the tech you can get an Arca Swiss F line
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    Quote Originally Posted by alajuela View Post

    I remember Jack, did a study on some lenses that has certain shutter speeds to avoid, interesting because it was not - speeds below a certain speed, but something like 1/15 was bad, 1/4 and 1/60 were fine for 300mm.
    Exactly, it is only specific speeds where I was seeing this, it happened to be in the 1/10-1/60 range.

    Too late on the tech cam, already heavily invested with a bag full of Rodie lenses. Now if I can only get the new Achromatic to focus accurately (no LV), I'd be a happy camper.

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