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    Hasselblad news

    Something to keep you busy over the holidays

    http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/...howtopic=26324

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    Re: Hasselblad news

    I think the Tilt/shift adaptor is VERY interesting..it will be able to use the 28, 35, 50 and 80mm lenses. +/-18mm shift, +/- 10 degrees tilt, +/- 90 degrees rotation ....

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    The 28mm lens can not be used - the image circle is not large enough. I don't know about the others.

    Also, if this is really an adapter to be placed between the lens and body, then infinity focus will be lost. Clearly we need more information.

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    Yes I saw this early this morning but did not report it here. Was waiting on more data. But this photokinia folks is going to be very interesting for MF shooters. I can feel some very strong vibes in my crystal ball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foto-z View Post
    The 28mm lens can not be used - the image circle is not large enough. I don't know about the others.
    infinity focus will be lost. Clearly we need more information.
    I think you are right but not only that, I thought the Glass itself is pushing its limit even now, hence the software to support it!!!

    Now, using software to correct/stretching perspective/corners perhaps is good and not that obvious.

    However, on 50MP sensor it could be a bit of a challenge... we'll see soon enough!!!

    I still think Mamiya 28mm is better choice and unlike others they don't
    have their CEO & PR on steroids

    Major complain to me about Mamiya's 28mm is or should be the Price!!!

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    If not for the price of the Mamiya 28mm it would be in my bag no question about it.
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    Re: Hasselblad news

    I look forward to the official announcement - from Hasselblad.

    Personally, I have no interest in more megapixels myself, teh 39 megapixels have delivered anough processing and storage headache for me as it is!! LOL

    However - will be fascinated to see how they propose to implement tilt/shift on existing H lenses.

    I look forward to one day comparing for myself the differences between the Mamiya 28 and the Hasselbald 28. I own the Masselbald 28 and think it is quite an outstanding lens - so I guess the Mamiya lens woudl make the purchase of a Mamiya system worthwhile alone - ( there are no sarcasm tags available to use )

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    LOL we need some of those smilie's too. LOL
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    Re: Hasselblad news

    The 28mm DOES work with it and you WILL be able to focus at infinity.

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    Re: Hasselblad news

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick-T View Post
    The 28mm DOES work with it and you WILL be able to focus at infinity.

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    Re: Hasselblad news

    Nick

    If the image circle of the 28mm lens is not big enough , how could you do a shift of 10mm without vignetting ? ? ?
    Will the DAC function in PHOCUS correct that ? ? ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick-T View Post
    The 28mm DOES work with it and you WILL be able to focus at infinity.
    Then it must be more than a mere adapter. Perhaps an optical converter (which is not ideal)? We'll soon see.

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    The sensor would be a 6 micron, as opposed to the current 6.9 micron photo cell size. Hopefully Kodak/Hasselblad can maintain the same image quality. I assume the sensor is still not a true 36x48mm 'full frame' sensor. A-la 1.1x, in other words.

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    Re: Hasselblad news

    IF the 50 meg sensor is full frame, and Hasselblad eventually offers a Multi-shot of it, I'm there and will be DONE as far as commercial applications are concerned.

    I hope this escalation helps drop the price of lower meg backs to open up MFD to more people.

    The T/S adapter will be of great interest (depending on IQ) for my limited field applications ... I do all the studio work with a Rollei Xact2.

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    The 50mp sensor will not be full frame. It is the same size as the existing 39mp Kodak sensor. 1.1x. Hasselblad wants us to believe that is FF, but it isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foto-z View Post
    Then it must be more than a mere adapter. Perhaps an optical converter (which is not ideal)? We'll soon see.
    I guess it does have some optics in it, ( the 1.7X converter seems to work very well without loss of detail so that may not be a bad thing.
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    May your mouth be the prophet's.

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    [QUOTE=fotografz;38480]IF the 50 meg sensor is full frame, and Hasselblad eventually offers a Multi-shot of it, I'm there and will be DONE as far as commercial applications are concerned.

    I hope this escalation helps drop the price of lower meg backs to open up MFD to more people.

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    Re: Hasselblad news

    I just posted some shots of the H3DII-39 with the old Zeiss V 180 CFE and the 1.4x converter and I could not be happier. Please take a look and provide feedback as to your reactions to this combination.

    Best

    Woody

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Biggs View Post
    The 50mp sensor will not be full frame. It is the same size as the existing 39mp Kodak sensor. 1.1x. Hasselblad wants us to believe that is FF, but it isn't.
    You know this for sure? Where is that information officially published?

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    Re: Hasselblad news

    Marc

    The 50MP sensor can not be much bigger than the 39MP sensor , due to the H-SYSTEM body design .
    If the sensor has the same size than the existing 39MP sensor it might also produce more noise and moiree at high ISO .
    PHOCUS might take care of this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jotloob View Post
    Marc

    The 50MP sensor can not be much bigger than the 39MP sensor , due to the H-SYSTEM body design .
    If the sensor has the same size than the existing 39MP sensor it might also produce more noise and moiree at high ISO .
    PHOCUS might take care of this issue.
    The assumption is that the sensor is exactly the same size, and that the pixels are smaller. That may be so, but we don't know any of that for sure.

    It may be a true FF sensor ... or if still a 1.1X sensor size, the pixels may be larger than we think due to advancements in reducing the space between pixels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jotloob View Post
    Marc

    The 50MP sensor can not be much bigger than the 39MP sensor , due to the H-SYSTEM body design .
    Also, the 28mm lens will only cover a 1.1x crop sensor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick-T View Post
    I guess it does have some optics in it, ( the 1.7X converter seems to work very well without loss of detail so that may not be a bad thing.
    Nick-T
    ..and if so, the focal lengths will be longer (perhaps 1.4x?) and there will be loss of light (e.g. 1 stop)

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    Re: Hasselblad news

    I agree with foto-z it is a Hasselbald thing - therefore definately bound to be crap - if it was Rollie or Sinar it woul be awesome!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    it is a Hasselbald thing - therefore definately bound to be crap
    Your words, not mine.

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    I second that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by foto-z View Post
    Your words, not mine.

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    Re: Hasselblad news

    Here is a photo of the tilt & shift adaptor taken from Nick T's site.

    http://www.hasselbladdigitalforum.com/

    He states that it will have a 1.5x factor on the lenses.

    It should be a tilt/shift/rotation adaptor.

    If this works well without image degradation, this could solve my tilt & swing problems without having to buy some technical camera. Keeping my fingers crossed.

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    I wonder if you can use a adapter to fit on other bodies as well.
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    Isn't this contraption a heavily modified Arcbody?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harmsr View Post
    Here is a photo of the tilt & shift adaptor taken from Nick T's site. He states that it will have a 1.5x factor on the lenses.

    It should be a tilt/shift/rotation adaptor.

    If this works well without image degradation, this could solve my tilt & swing problems without having to buy some technical camera. Keeping my fingers crossed.

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    Yes, it does look like an ArcBody:

    http://harrysproshop.com/Hasselblad_...blad_arc_.html

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    Re: Hasselblad news

    Any combi tool has advantages and disadvantages .

    Looking at the posted image of the possible HASSELBLAD adapter, it makes me very happy to have an ARCA-SWISS F-LINE METRIC + ORBIX + ROTASLIDE ADAPTER + RODENSTOCK 35mm DIDGTAL lens . Plus other LF lenses . That gear is versatile and can use any digital back .
    Plus film backs ! ! !
    So there is no need for me , to invest any more money . Great .

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    So, I guess the Mamiya lens woudl make the purchase of a Mamiya system worthwhile alone - ( there are no sarcasm tags available to use )
    Tag???? Peter, your dollars would do just fine...

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    Re: Hasselblad news

    Mamiya are not going to get a dollar - and neither is Hasselblad for this silly contraption..I couldnt stop laughing when I saw the pic..
    Last edited by PeterA; 5th July 2008 at 16:35.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thsinar View Post
    I second that!

    Thierry
    Why is a rep from a competiting brand participating in denigrating commentary?

    This is a solution for Hasselblad H camera users to further extend the operation of their existing lenses.

    Personally I don't see it as a wholesale replacement for a technical camera ... but to further aid in some field applications without the need for an entire separate system ... like close up work where DOF may be an issue, or some controlled perspective correction.

    How useful and to what degree remains to be determined ... by those who use this equipment for their work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I wonder if you can use a adapter to fit on other bodies as well.
    That tilt/shift adapter's glass is optimized for HC lenses, and how will you electronically trigger those HC lenses with your "other" body?
    Seems the only way this makes sense if you MUST HAVE this tilt/shift adapter is for you to exercise your PhaseOne mount-change option before you take delivery on the AFDIII camera body?

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    Marc,

    If you did not notice: I seconded Graham's words "Your words, not mine", implying that I would never say such thing. And you can search the whole internet world: you won't ever find a denigrating word from me of any other brand. In fact, it is one of my policies, not only in the forums, but also in my daily work.

    BTW: I own a HB myself, as well as did Mr. Carl Koch, the founder of Sinar.

    Best regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Why is a rep from a competiting brand participating in denigrating commentary?

    This is a solution for Hasselblad H camera users to further extend the operation of their existing lenses.

    Personally I don't see it as a wholesale replacement for a technical camera ... but to further aid in some field applications without the need for an entire separate system ... like close up work where DOF may be an issue, or some controlled perspective correction.

    How useful and to what degree remains to be determined ... by those who use this equipment for their work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJNY View Post
    That tilt/shift adapter's glass is optimized for HC lenses, and how will you electronically trigger those HC lenses with your "other" body?
    Seems the only way this makes sense if you MUST HAVE this tilt/shift adapter is for you to exercise your PhaseOne mount-change option before you take delivery on the AFDIII camera body?
    Thanks Billy , not going to do that for one option, for many that may makes sense. But if there for the HC line than one wonders if you can even use a H2 with it and the 28mm. The 28 is blocked out from my understanding from the H2 so even if I did go switch than I would be limited if I am correct in assuming this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I wonder if you can use a adapter to fit on other bodies as well.
    I've thought of a couple alternatives to avoid switching from ZD to P25 to H within a two month period:
    - I believe Zoerk offers a tilt/shift adapter that fits exemplary Pentax67 lenses (45mm, 55mm, 75mm, 90mm, 105mm, 135mm, etc.) Onto the Mamiya 645.
    - Mamiya RZ67IID with their tilt/shift adapter and 75mm + 180mm short-barrel lenses.

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    I am very interested to see how this TS adapter will work. Looks interesting to say the least. I cannot imagine they would not have tested this device thoroughly before releasing it. This has been in the works for some time from my understanding and I would suspect the image quality has been examined quite extensively with each of these lenses.
    Last edited by mark1958; 5th July 2008 at 19:02.

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    Re: Hasselblad news

    Thanks Billy I looked at the Zoerk site and yes there is something that can be done and i need to look into it further myself. I have a funny feeling we will see something at Photokinia. I actually have a good feeling the MF stuff there will be a lot of announcements that is if the OEM stop announcing stuff 3 months out. Sinar, Hassy, Ricoh, Nikon all guilty. LOL
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    hi Guy,

    ... the question being in this case: how long from the announcement to the actual delivery of the product. And I think you will be surprised concerning Sinar and what was announced recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    ... that is if the OEM stop announcing stuff 3 months out. Sinar, Hassy, Ricoh, Nikon all guilty. LOL

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    Re: Hasselblad news

    Thierry that was not the point . It was a joke. I have been watching and listening to announcements for 35 years and every 6 months it is fun to see who announces first. The funniest one is Canon and Nikon on who will out announce each other first. Nikon won this time. Trust me if history serves correctly Canon will next year a week earlier.
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    I know it was a joke, Guy. I didn't take it negatively, but it raises a for me important issue.

    I just wanted to point to the fact that we try, at Sinar, to announce when we feel the product to be finished or nearly so, not in a way to be faster than or to out-announce others.

    It can however still happen that the product does not ship in time, but then for technical reasons, not for marketing ones.

    That's exactly the point and I feel it not to be serving the interests of photographers, when it is about tools allowing a photographer to work and when involving such financial investments.

    My experience is that this has even worsened with the digital age, which is kind of logic, since the product life-cycle is shorter.

    The negative side of this being that one is judged, when not playing this game, as a "sleeping" company, not able to follow the path.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Thierry that was not the point . It was a joke. I have been watching and listening to announcements for 35 years and every 6 months it is fun to see who announces first. The funniest one is Canon and Nikon on who will out announce each other first. Nikon won this time. Trust me if history serves correctly Canon will next year a week earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thsinar View Post
    hi Guy,

    ... the question being in this case: how long from the announcement to the actual delivery of the product. And I think you will be surprised concerning Sinar and what was announced recently.

    Best regards,
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    Where has this product been "officially" announced?

    There is nothing on the official Hasselblad site. A H system T/S aid has been rumored for over a year, but this is the first tangible proof of it that I've seen.

    In my experience to date, Hasselblad is ready to ship when their announcement is officially posted, or the dealers have received official information.

    However, the exception to the rule can happen. As Thierry points out, technical reasons can pop up for any manufacturer ... and we'd all prefer that the product be delayed rather than shipping for "one-up-man-ship" marketing reasons.

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    Dear Marc,

    don't take it wrongly: it was not meant against anybody in particular.

    It has not yet been announced officially, you are right
    However, the information of the 50 MPx camera and the T/S, as well as other accessories has been announced on different websites:

    - http://www.photoscala.de/Artikel/50-...lblad-H3DII-50
    - http://www.ppl.de/index.php?option=c...d=157&Itemid=1
    - http://www.probis.de/web/index.php?id=43&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=159&tx_ttnews[backPid]=2&cHash=32cd248806
    - http://www.gmfoto.de/index.php?neues

    I believe that it was announced at a dealer conference in Denmark. In any case, HB will have an announcement early next (coming) week.

    Best regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    Where has this product been "officially" announced?

    There is nothing on the official Hasselblad site. A H system T/S aid has been rumored for over a year, but this is the first tangible proof of it that I've seen.

    In my experience to date, Hasselblad is ready to ship when their announcement is officially posted, or the dealers have received official information.

    However, the exception to the rule can happen. As Thierry points out, technical reasons can pop up for any manufacturer ... and we'd all prefer that the product be delayed rather than shipping for "one-up-man-ship" marketing reasons.

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    Re: Hasselblad news

    It only counts when it comes from the official website or press release of the OEM the rest is all rumor. Until Hassy announces it in public it is just a rumor. Maybe very good info but still not official from Hassy. Nikon announced it's D700 but there where several days of websites before Nikon made it official. Sinar announced the Ar-tek and Ricoh official announced the GX-200.

    Hell i could spill the beans on a dozen products right now but until it is official it is meaningless.
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    you are absolutely right Jack.

    Thierry

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    It only counts when it comes from the official website or press release of the OEM the rest is all rumor. Until Hassy announces it in public it is just a rumor. Maybe very good info but still not official from Hassy. Nikon announced it's D700 but there where several days of websites before Nikon made it official. Sinar announced the Ar-tek and Ricoh official announced the GX-200.

    Hell i could spill the beans on a dozen products right now but until it is official it is meaningless.

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    Re: Hasselblad news

    Jacks the tall one , I am the short Italian that is extremely good looking. At least i try to tell my wife that, she's not buying that line for sure, LOL
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    Yes, Sir, you're right here as well!

    My apologies:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Jacks the tall one , I am the short Italian that is extremely good looking. At least i try to tell my wife that, she's not buying that line for sure, LOL

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    Re: Hasselblad news

    a link to the hasselblad website with new camera info:

    http://www.hasselblad.se/promotions/50-promotion.aspx

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