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    Phase 60mpx MF back

    Well rumor has hit the streets so i am not the first one out of the gate. But there is speculation there is a 60 mpx back coming from Phase. I think this was a easy call since Kodak and Hassy announced a 50mpx back and Phase is known for all there backs to use Kodak. We will have to wait for announcements and if this truly will be part of the Phase package but so far Phase has been very quiet on what is coming at Photokinia. I would not expect any early announcements though.


    Also just a note Jack and I are receiving the new Phase body today and tomorrow mine was shipped 2nd day but Jack will get his today.
    These are full production models and actually our new bodies with the purchase of our backs which also come with the new 80mm D lens. Expect full exclusive reports here on GetDPI from both of us. Next week mine will be going full throttle shooting a Model and Talent convention again, so a great test for the camera and me. LOL

    For those also waiting for there Phase bodies they are coming very shortly. BTW this is on time and as promised from Phase. Yes that is a plug for Capture Integration and Phase One. They have done a excellent job so far getting our products and all customer services needs so far. For someone that has Zero patience for waiting I am very pleased. Credit where credit is due.

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    Re: Phase 60mpx MF back

    We actually just got an announcement that us Phase One dealers will have a special Webinar tomorrow to go over some special announcements about the P65+ and the new T/S lenses!.

    As soon as we get more information we will post it here and on our website!

    Exciting!



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    Re: Phase 60mpx MF back

    T/S lenses WOW now that is going to be some news for me.
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    Re: Phase 60mpx MF back

    AWESOME news on the TS lenses Lance!

    Any news on the leaf-shutter glass? Also just to be clear, is this new 60MP sensor a rumor or is it fact?
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    Re: Phase 60mpx MF back

    P65 that maybe fact if there is a name attached
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    Re: Phase 60mpx MF back

    Yes, but is it an official announcement of a soon to be delivered product or a vaporware product "under development"?
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    Re: Phase 60mpx MF back

    Guess we will know tomorrow. man I need to really rob the bank now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Yes, but is it an official announcement of a soon to be delivered product or a vaporware product "under development"?
    That is the question. And is this 60MP sensor rumor yet another new sensor from Kodak, or is this the same 50MP sensor that Hasselblad announced? If bigger, is this possibly the "645" sensor that Hasselblad said they would discuss in more detail at Photokina?

    Hard keeping track of some of this stuff at this point

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    Re: Phase 60mpx MF back

    That's okay though LJ the key here is the MF world is alive and well, and from all these announcements from the key players that means more folks jumping in. That is a huge plus for us owners because more products will come our way and give us options and that is good for Hassy, Sinar, Leaf and Phase. Like to see them all healthy with there businesses and ours
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    Agreed, Guy, but we may have to create/update our kit builder comparison tool ;-) The new T/S lenses from Mamiya (Phase) and the new HTS device from Hassy are examples of things folks may want to start dropping into their decision mix.

    You are right, this is good news for anybody/everybody over or heading over the MF cliff.

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    Re: Phase 60mpx MF back

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Guess we will know tomorrow. man I need to really rob the bank now
    Full 645 sensor. Hassey version due 2009. Plenty of time to rob a couple of banks ... or for business to turn around

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    Re: Phase 60mpx MF back

    I know that would be out of my league for awhile but nice to know they are out there just haunting us. Wait is this a good thing or a bad thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LJL View Post
    That is the question. And is this 60MP sensor rumor yet another new sensor from Kodak, or is this the same 50MP sensor that Hasselblad announced?
    LJ
    I believe you will see,in tomorrows official announcement to its dealer
    network, that the sensor in the unofficial P65 will not be a Kodak
    product.


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    Re: Phase 60mpx MF back

    BTW, waiting on a FedEx truck here and not being very patient....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtomalty View Post
    I believe you will see,in tomorrows official announcement to its dealer
    network, that the sensor in the unofficial P65 will not be a Kodak
    product.


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    This is interesting maybe we should do a poll on this . Kodak or Dalsa

    But the real bottom line this is truly 645 full frame
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    I'll go out on a limb and say DALSA -- !
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    Kodak is my bet
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    Re: Phase 60mpx MF back

    Okay, we put a steak and martini on it
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    Loral is mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Kodak is my bet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    Kodak is my bet


    I'll take that bet and I'll wager the same as Jack

    That tentatively puts you on the hook for two steaks and two martinis
    unless you're afraid

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    Never afraid but wait let me check my crystal ball first. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtomalty View Post
    I'll take that bet and I'll wager the same as Jack

    That tentatively puts you on the hook for two steaks and two martinis
    unless you're afraid

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    I'll also take the bet on the Dalsa. I think that, given both Dalsa and Kodak are fine technologists, it makes sense for Phase to differentiate themselves from Hassy by going with the alternate vendor (Dalsa). The Dalsa sensors, based on what I see from the Aptus backs, have a different look and feel from the Kodak sensors and I, for one, like that look. Having a Dalsa back available from Phase (I assume on a Phase/Mamiya body) will make things ever more interesting. And to think that a year ago MF looked like a problem child.

    Great choices for us MFDB shooters.......Love it

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    Re: Phase 60mpx MF back

    I wonder if it would lead to any more consolidation in the number of MFDB players ... consolidation can be a great way to increase market share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtKamka View Post
    I wonder if it would lead to any more consolidation in the number of MFDB players ... consolidation can be a great way to increase market share.
    Could happen, but for a while, it would be much better to increase market, rather than just fight over market share. With a bigger market, more money will probably be made than with just a bigger market share of a much smaller market. Would be interesting to see the numbers for some of this stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtomalty View Post
    I believe you will see,in tomorrows official announcement to its dealer
    network, that the sensor in the unofficial P65 will not be a Kodak
    product.


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    O.K., but has anybody been able to confirm just what size the P65 is going to be? The P45 is not a 45MP sensor, but a 39MP, so is the P65 a 50MP or something else? Dalsa's would be leapfrogging Kodak if they put something bigger than 50MP out. Right now, they are a few MP behind on things (e.g., 33 v 39 as top end for Dalsa versus Kodak in the various backs that use each).

    Anybody really know that can say, or do we just try to patiently wait for the announcements? (Hey, with Guy and Jack waiting on the delivery trucks impatiently, others can impatiently wait on news, I guess. A lot cheaper until we hit the "buy" button.)

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    Re: Phase 60mpx MF back

    I heard 60 mpx but can't confirm, waiting on annoucements.
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    Heathy market despite the economy. Both Hasselblad and Phase did well last fiscial year

    No intel on others.

    News coming from Kodak yet. Something I predicted awhile ago has come true.

    The dealers/reps can break the news, since I promised not to tell

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    what...new news!?!?!!

    wake up a rep/dealer!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtKamka View Post
    I wonder if it would lead to any more consolidation in the number of MFDB players ... consolidation can be a great way to increase market share.
    Problem is that there is very little differentiation from one system to the other. So consolidation would primarily lead to better profitability through savings from getting rid of duplicate functions/workers. It would also lead to more R&D dollars/euros available even if the percentage of sales due to R&D went down slightly. Sales channels would be strengthened due to a larger portfolio of products for sale etc etc.

    I think a more interesting play may be for someone like Phase or Hassy to buy Leica and dramatically expand the overall product portfolio. Leica management is weak and could be pretty much all replaced by the more competent folks in Sweden or Denmark. Software could be made compatible across the board and technologies could be lifted from the MFD world and ported to a 135 format. Use the R&D to bring out a very capable lower cost DRF and add the features to the M8 that are lacking. This would get more people into the Leica brand with the low cost entry and lead to a lot more lens sales and ultimately more M8's or whatever the high end DRF may be at that point leading to even more lens sales.

    I mean that when you think about it there are only four players now in the MFDB market. Leaf and it's derivatives (Sinar Rollei etc), Phase, and Hasselblad. Phase or Hassy would have to buy Leaf to really make a bold move. This could eventually starve out Sinar and Rollei as they are dependent on Leaf for the backs. I am sure that they would migrate to Phase backs to stay alive but their overall position would be weakened.

    As one who absorbed over six companies through M&A I can tell you that it is always a scary proposition. Successful mergers are not trivial exercises and unless you can extract a relatively dramatic value proposition (e.g. increasing your top line by 30% or more and driving down operating costs at least 15%) there is little point to the exercise.

    I would feel differently if one of the potential merger candidates had disruptive technology which could increase your share of market short term through consolidation of top line revenues and long term share through deployment of the disruptive technology.

    I just don't see the technology play in any of these companies. For instance Canon has a long term advantage over Nikon as a result of their having captive in house semiconductor technology for the image sensor markets. Nikon must continuously depend on others for their chips and of course some of their options e.g. Sony are already competitors. And Sony has the cash to stay in the game and could cut Nikon out at a critical time! Were one of the MFDB players to develop such in house technology, not just for the manufacturing savings, but for being able to get ahead and stay ahead in feature rich chips. At their current size it is hard to imagine any of the MFDB players getting into such a high risk venture. If one of them got 100% of the MFDB market it would not likely pay for the cost of entry into the semi manufacturing and development game.

    So my desire, and my bet would be for Phase of Hassy to buy Leica and use their cash and stock to dramatically enhance their product portfolio.

    Sorry for the long ramble but this is pretty much stream of conciousness thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mancuso View Post
    I heard 60 mpx but can't confirm, waiting on annoucements.
    Problem is that with Phase product numbering system a P65+ may indeed be a 50 Mpx chip or could be larger. No way to tell

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyspedden View Post
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    I mean that when you think about it there are only four players now in the MFDB market. Leaf and it's derivatives (Sinar Rollei etc), Phase, and Hasselblad. Phase or Hassy would have to buy Leaf to really make a bold move. This could eventually starve out Sinar and Rollei as they are dependent on Leaf for the backs. I am sure that they would migrate to Phase backs to stay alive but their overall position would be weakened.
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    I don't believe you are correct in your breakdown.
    As far as I know,Sinar and Rollei are in no way 'derivatives' of Leaf.
    The Leaf brand is a property of Kodak by virtue of an acquisition of
    Creo some years ago.
    Nor are Sinar or Rollei dependant upon Leaf for backs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyspedden View Post
    Problem is that with Phase product numbering system a P65+ may indeed be a 50 Mpx chip or could be larger.

    We'll all know,for sure,tomorrow but I have been told by someone in
    the know that the sensor will be 60Mp and will be,for all intents and
    purposes,full frame 645.
    Of course,just because I believe my source it doesn't make it a reality
    until an official announcement is made

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    Re: Phase 60mpx MF back

    Thanks Mark , yes that would make our wides just a little wider. Nice benefit
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    Re: Phase 60mpx MF back

    i am waiting for the 100000 megapixel back - where the companies throw in a free Ferrari and the state of Texas with each order.

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    forget the free cars and states, i want the free models Sinar loans out


    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    i am waiting for the 100000 megapixel back - where the companies throw in a free Ferrari and the state of Texas with each order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    i am waiting for the 100000 megapixel back - where the companies throw in a free Ferrari and the state of Texas with each order.
    Good Lord Peter, why would you consider the state of Texas a worthwhile upgrade? LOL

    Most folks here (USA) would like to forget both George Bush and the whole state of Texas which he apparently owns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtomalty View Post
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    I don't believe you are correct in your breakdown.
    As far as I know,Sinar and Rollei are in no way 'derivatives' of Leaf.
    The Leaf brand is a property of Kodak by virtue of an acquisition of
    Creo some years ago.
    Nor are Sinar or Rollei dependant upon Leaf for backs.

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    I am probably wrong so I apologize if I have unintentionally mislead anyone. It would seem though that the Leaf, Sinar, and Rollei backs are all supplied from one source. The Kodak sensors, while all the same, are customized by Phase and Hasselblad to maximize their intended purposes (In the opinion of both Phase and Hassy as they see it!).

    I am looking at all of this from the simple perspective of what are the real differences (and thus the differentiation) of the backs one to another? I truly believe that all of these backs are capable of current world class imaging and will only get better into the future as Kodak, Dalsa and perhaps others continue to get better and better.

    As image makers the biggest issue in my opinion is that we are now depreciating MFDB's that are in the price range of some pretty neat cars in a very short period or being left behind. Those who bought P45 or P25 only a year or so ago are now buying into P45+ and P25+ for a large premium. (By the way I am not picking on Phase because certainly the same applies to Hasselbald on their backs and Leaf with their 75 and 75S etc. The fact is that back technology is moving at lightspeed and each iteration is a significant amount of chump change for the user! LOL

    On the other hand what we can now achieve with the new techology is simply beyond what our imaginations saw a year or two ago! Give the guys at Kodak and Dalsa credit, they have produced what we all wanted and basically disbelieved to be possible so short a time ago.

    Love what we can do now and have no biases towards one manufacturer vs another in any way.

    Best to all

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyspedden View Post
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    I am probably wrong so I apologize if I have unintentionally mislead anyone. It would seem though that the Leaf, Sinar, and Rollei backs are all supplied from one source.
    Yes, I'm pretty sure you are wrong about this. At least, wrong in the sense that the Epson RD-1 is the same as a Nikon D70 or the M8 and the DMR are the same camera. Yes, Sinar and Leaf both use Dalsa sensors, but only the sensors are the same. Every other component of the backs is different. Very much so -- it is not just the screens and interface, but the hardware that reads the information of the sensor and everything else. It would be like saying that a Hasselblad and Holga are the same camera because you can put Tri-X in both (not to imply that one is a hasselblad or a holga!).

    Oh, and Rollei does not make backs. At least, not digital backs. They do make film backs.
    Please don't take this as harsh, I just wanted to set the record straight here.

    As for the 60mp 645...well, it will be interesting to see. If it is true, then there will probably be some major workflow issues to get through. The RAW files from it will be huge, and that will effect everything from the camera storage media to the computer, to the card reader and on to the final storage method. It will be interesting to see how todays lenses hold up to it as well. I don't even want to think about the price...
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    Re: Phase 60mpx MF back

    I didnt see Woody's post above. Here is my take on teh cmpetitive landscape FWIW

    All these MFD back manufacturers are relatively tiny cottage industry players - competing in a relatively tiny market. So weak are their balance sheets that they outsource pretty much everything in the manufacturing value added curve. That is to say they already run lean and mean. Therefore mergers would deliver not much in marginal utilities from synergies and the wrong mergers may actually backfire.

    I think that their worst enemy is their own relatively short product life cycles - the winners being the chip manufacturers. Teh chip makers must laugh to see each scramble to adopt the latest gee wizz megapixel 'upgrade' - kind of forcing each into upgrading or losing precious market share.

    I suspect that the chip makers leave enough margin to keep these companies in business - and not enough to allow them much more elbow room.

    Leaving aside the fan boy excitement that greets each new announcement - I suspect that the actual market in sustainable profit terms has to be declining. If the market was 'interesting' from an investment point of view - you would have Canon et al all over it like ugly on ape.

    If they were listed I would short them. Regarding Leica - they used to make very nice film cameras.

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    Peter,

    I agree with the assessment above...however changing out a chip would not seem like that big of a deal. Really, how much different are the present backs from those of a couple of years ago. Maybe a slightly improved screen but many of the support functions for the back may not be that different. So you can hype interest with a little change of imaging chip.

    Most of the chip R&D is shouldered by Kodak or Dalsa so the back manufacturers need only modest changes in architecture to accomodate the new chip. It would be nice if some forward thinking were involved as demonstrated by Apple in the PC realm. They tend to push the envelope in an effort to stay at the forward edge of the curve.

    Dynamic range, signal to noise ratio, color fidelity get short shrift while the ever enlarging pixel number is tantamount to sales. Have you noticed how much bandwidth has been consumed since the new announcements in the past week on this site and others? One wonders what would happen if the back manufacturers really did something truly innovative.

    Consider a back that overlayed grid lines in classic, rule of thirds, or user defined layers that would correct for axis and horizontal disymmetry on the fly. Or a hardware based capture that would allow multiple inflection points for automatic depth of field stacking. Or how about one that did more than give a historical histogram based on JPG but one in real time based on raw data with suggestions to improve dynamic range for capture.

    The present paradigm is somewhat analogous to the old auto industry...add fins or a bigger engine but keep the old design structure. Although I own a H3DII back I was amused by the recent sliding back adapter. Kind of an admission of difficulty using H3D back on other platforms due to the integral battery/body situation...in fact, after seeing that I cancelled an Alpa TC order as I am unwilling to deal with multiple cables etc.

    It seems that we are at a point where it would behoove us to learn how to best utilize the tools we have than to assume that what they market next week or next Photokina will change our art...or in my poor practice my therapy.

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    Hi Bob,

    I totally agree with you regarding the relatively simplistic strategy adopted by those who 'own' the industry. Bigger fins and fatter engines - guzzling down even more megabits of processing power demanding ever more terrabits of storage capability, ignoring fundamental niceties like - umm a database that allows for users to access stored files without needing a PHD in database management

    in another thread I put that i was more interested in some simple technologies of far more significance to a photographer than the resolving ability to see hairs on hairs on hairs of models shot from a distance of a mile away...

    what are these valuable technologies?

    to add to your list - how about image stabilization ( so that resolving power can actually be used) how about multiple and accurate autofocus points ..the list could go on - see any cheap consumer DSLR body for hints..

    the more I shoot digital - the more I like film - so glad I have recently reacquired an Xpan system and kept my film Leica M kit.

    this MFD joke of chasing megabits and ignoring other factors is now definitely looking like a con job - I wonder when photographers will start saying .thanks but no thanks..

    Regarding the Alpa and Hasselblad H series backs - the work around is using the portable hard drive ( yes expensive) to power the back - a simple cable connecting back to lens ( there is no sleep mode with Hasselblad) is all it takes. Maybe I should post a picture of how it works for me..


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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    Peter,

    I agree with the assessment above...however changing out a chip would not seem like that big of a deal. Really, how much different are the present backs from those of a couple of years ago. Maybe a slightly improved screen but many of the support functions for the back may not be that different. So you can hype interest with a little change of imaging chip.

    Most of the chip R&D is shouldered by Kodak or Dalsa so the back manufacturers need only modest changes in architecture to accomodate the new chip. It would be nice if some forward thinking were involved as demonstrated by Apple in the PC realm. They tend to push the envelope in an effort to stay at the forward edge of the curve.

    Dynamic range, signal to noise ratio, color fidelity get short shrift while the ever enlarging pixel number is tantamount to sales. Have you noticed how much bandwidth has been consumed since the new announcements in the past week on this site and others? One wonders what would happen if the back manufacturers really did something truly innovative.

    Consider a back that overlayed grid lines in classic, rule of thirds, or user defined layers that would correct for axis and horizontal disymmetry on the fly. Or a hardware based capture that would allow multiple inflection points for automatic depth of field stacking. Or how about one that did more than give a historical histogram based on JPG but one in real time based on raw data with suggestions to improve dynamic range for capture.

    The present paradigm is somewhat analogous to the old auto industry...add fins or a bigger engine but keep the old design structure. Although I own a H3DII back I was amused by the recent sliding back adapter. Kind of an admission of difficulty using H3D back on other platforms due to the integral battery/body situation...in fact, after seeing that I cancelled an Alpa TC order as I am unwilling to deal with multiple cables etc.

    It seems that we are at a point where it would behoove us to learn how to best utilize the tools we have than to assume that what they market next week or next Photokina will change our art...or in my poor practice my therapy.

    Bob

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post

    Regarding the Alpa and Hasselblad H series backs - the work around is using the portable hard drive ( yes expensive) to power the back - a simple cable connecting back to lens ( there is no sleep mode with Hasselblad) is all it takes. Maybe I should post a picture of how it works for me..


    Cheers
    pete
    Peter, I would appreciate that very much!!!

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    Just spoke with Lance form Capture Integration as he wrapped up his meeting with Phase. He didn't have time to go into details now, but will make a full post on Monday. Bottom line is there is some really cool news on that front. Stay tuned!

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    How about a larger sensor with larger and fewer pixels, say 30MP, but higher ISO and other great things? That would be a bold and useful move, I think. IOW, take all the great new 60MP development stuff and offer a lower res sensor at the same 645 "full frame" size that is being talked about. That could become the entry point if priced decently.

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    LJ, keep think along those lines -- I suspect you are about to get your wish. And Hassleblad may have to re-do it's "Full Frame" marketing thingy
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    [QUOTE=J Bottom line is there is some really cool news on that front. Stay tuned!
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    P65+ to be announce on monday by phaseone, 60.5 mpg, sensor size 53,9x40,4, pixel pitch 6x6 micron, 50-800 iso, 1 fps, no info about sensor manufacturer. EC price 26.900 euros +tax. delivery supposed to start in Q4 of 2008.


    The above was posted on another forum earlier today and,I'm certain,will
    hold up to be accurate. The sensor will be a Dalsa product.

    Will be interesting to see how Phase handles long exposures knowing that
    extreme exposure times have long been one major distinguishing factor
    between Phase + series backs and other brands and knowing,from firsthand
    experience,that the Dalsa chipped backs I've used seem to regularly hit
    the wall between 20-30 seconds where pretty apparent 'salt and pepper'
    noise started showing up.
    It will also be interesting to see if this new sensor will find its way into
    other products or if Phase was able to secure some sort of exclusivity.

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    Love the 1fps . I would like that myself
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    That will hold up Mark
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    Peter, I would appreciate that very much!!!
    Natasa, I have a like new ImageBank-II for sale ... I got another one that came as part of a promotional package. I don't need 2 of them.

    PM me if interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    LJ, keep think along those lines -- I suspect you are about to get your wish. And Hassleblad may have to re-do it's "Full Frame" marketing thingy
    Jack,
    That could be a powerful 1-2 shot.....two new sensors at the newer 645 dimensions being talked about. One at 30MP, with ISO 1600 capabilities, and all the other new tweaks, and one at 60MP, with ISO 50-800 or so plus the new capabilities. To me, that would make for a very practical and powerful combination of backs. Toss in a 3" very high res LCD for both, and an adapter strategy similar to what Sinar has (not having to return to get retrofit), and you move from good to great offering in as single sweep.

    Price the 30MP unit at say $12-15K for entry and the 60MP unit at whatever is being discussed. I think that would get a lot of folks waiting to leap into MF to make that move. The option to drop onto a leaf or focal plane shutter body would be icing on the cake for some. This is where it needs to go in my thinking.

    LJ

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